AV10

[Jack N]

Does anyone know if there's a Marantz AV10 owners forum somewhere on the Audioholics website?

 

[TLS Guy]

Does anyone know if there's a Marantz AV10 owners forum somewhere on the Audioholics website?

I don't think we do, Jack. The problem is that it is 7K. AVPs and AVRs tend to become outdated by changes in technology fairly quickly. The other issue is that a unit like that is likely to be placed in more complex systems. So, not making it 19" rack mountable was a bad mistake. I absolutely require units like that to be 19" rack mountable.

If a unit is going to be that costly, then it needs to be modular and updateable. In many aspects it highlights everything that is wrong in the world of AV right now.

 

[Jack N]

Um, all I did was ask a simple question. I’m not understanding what your (or anybodys) differing opinion of the AV10 has to do with having a forum for its’ owners. But thanks anyways for confirming my search.

 

[TLS Guy]

Um, all I did was ask a simple question. I’m not understanding what your (or anybodys) differing opinion of the AV10 has to do with having a forum for its’ owners. But thanks anyways for confirming my search.

I was just giving you context, that is all. Are you considering purchasing an AV10?

 

[gene]

Use this thread:

Marantz AV 10 15.4CH AV Processor Bench Test Results!

It's not surprising that the Marantz AV 10 15.4CH 8K AV Processor produced excellent bench test results. This $7K processor has bass management features no other competitor has in this price class such as LFE Bass Routing and Bass Re-distribution. We thoroughly test these features to show you...

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[highfigh]

Middle Atlantic can make custom rack ears and face panels for almost any brand and model, so rack mounting really doesn't need to be an issue. Rarity, OTOH, will prevent forums having threads about a particular model.

OTOH, there's this-

Dirac is my choice on the Marantz AV10

I previously posted about troubles with Audyssey calibration of my Marantz AV10 (https://forums.audioholics.com/forums/threads/marantz-av10-calibrated-by-audyssey-lacks-bass.128490/). Long story short I had to boost the bass almost 10dB to get a flat curve and there was some attenuation of the...

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[Jack N]

TLS Guy - Not sure what you mean by context, but it doesn't matter. The reason I'm looking for an owners forum is because I own an AV10 and have questions.

Gene - Thanks for the tip. I'll check it out.

highfigh - Thanks for the tip. I'll check it out.

 

[William Lemmerhirt]

TLS Guy - Not sure what you mean by context, but it doesn't matter. The reason I'm looking for an owners forum is because I own an AV10 and have questions.

Gene - Thanks for the tip. I'll check it out.

highfigh - Thanks for the tip. I'll check it out.

Hi Jack. What are your questions?

 

[Danzilla31]

TLS Guy - Not sure what you mean by context, but it doesn't matter. The reason I'm looking for an owners forum is because I own an AV10 and have questions.

Gene - Thanks for the tip. I'll check it out.

highfigh - Thanks for the tip. I'll check it out.

Congratulations on selecting such a wonderful processor.

Check out the thread Gene linked and although I went with the Htp-1 instead of the AV10 it was a very close call and I did a lot of research on the AV10

I also spent a lot of time with owners of the AV10 so like @William Lemmerhirt said if you have any questions let us know.

Also PM us so we can answer questions you have privately with a lot of details as well.

I can't wait to hear your experiences with the AV10 it is an amazing processor

 

[Jack N]

@William Lemmerhirt Thanks for the offer to help. It's appreciated. To start off with, lets go with one that I think would be fairly easy. I'm unable to get ARC functioning. Any tips on where to start looking?

@Danzilla31 Good choice on your part. Monoprice makes some really respectable stuff, especially when you consider the price point. I own two of the Monolith 7X 200wpc power amps, one of which is in my dedicated theater powering the ceiling speakers. Just can't beat the bang for the buck.

 

[William Lemmerhirt]

@William Lemmerhirt Thanks for the offer to help. It's appreciated. To start off with, lets go with one that I think would be fairly easy. I'm unable to get ARC functioning. Any tips on where to start looking?

@Danzilla31 Good choice on your part. Monoprice makes some really respectable stuff, especially when you consider the price point. I own two of the Monolith 7X 200wpc power amps, one of which is in my dedicated theater powering the ceiling speakers. Just can't beat the bang for the buck.

Hi Jack. First thing is make sure you use the ARC ports and that your devices support that. You may have to turn on the CEC control in the menus. I will see if @Trebdp83 can chime in. He’s pretty sharp with that stuff.

 

[Trebdp83]

My ears were ringing. Actually, my ears were burning. The ringing usually only occurs when I get smacked. Thankfully, it has been a while since I've been smacked. If @Jack N can list all of the devices and the TV/Projector used in the system, I could try and help out. But, as @William Lemmerhirt mentioned, first make sure the AV10’s eARC port is being used to connect to the TV/Projector’s ARC/eARC port.

In the AV10, make sure the HDMI Control function and ARC are ON. They will both need to be ON if the TV/Projector supports ARC but not eARC. Different TV/Projector manufacturers have the annoying habit of calling HDMI-CEC anything but HDMI-CEC. So, knowing what it is called in one's TV/Projector will lessen the difficulty of using it.

 

[Jack N]

@William Lemmerhirt and @Trebdp83 Thanks!! I got it working! To be honest, I'm not sure I can put my finger on exactly what the problem was, but I'm reasonably sure CEC was part of it so you got me pointed in the right direction. Thanks again.

Now for the next problem if you're still interested in helping. I did a calibration with the standard Audyssey that comes with the AV10 and I have to say there's a very serious lack of bass. I haven't tried REW yet, but to my ear bass starts to fall off starting at about 60hz and continues to drop until it gets down to about 30hz. Once it hits 30, it falls completely off the face of the earth and I'm running 4 subs! I know a lack of bass has been a pretty common complaint with AV10 owners, but that's ridiculous. I've already spent a lot of money buying it so it just doesn't seem right that I have to spend hundreds more to go to Dirac. Is there anything else I can try?

 

[TLS Guy]

@William Lemmerhirt and @Trebdp83 Thanks!! I got it working! To be honest, I'm not sure I can put my finger on exactly what the problem was, but I'm reasonably sure CEC was part of it so you got me pointed in the right direction. Thanks again.

Now for the next problem if you're still interested in helping. I did a calibration with the standard Audyssey that comes with the AV10 and I have to say there's a very serious lack of bass. I haven't tried REW yet, but to my ear bass starts to fall off starting at about 60hz and continues to drop until it gets down to about 30hz. Once it hits 30, it falls completely off the face of the earth and I'm running 4 subs! I know a lack of bass has been a pretty common complaint with AV10 owners, but that's ridiculous. I've already spent a lot of money buying it so it just doesn't seem right that I have to spend hundreds more to go to Dirac. Is there anything else I can try?

Did you use the microphone to set the levels and distances before using Audyssey? Once you have levels and distances properly calibrated and set with Audyssey off, how does it sound?

 

[William Lemmerhirt]

@William Lemmerhirt and @Trebdp83 Thanks!! I got it working! To be honest, I'm not sure I can put my finger on exactly what the problem was, but I'm reasonably sure CEC was part of it so you got me pointed in the right direction. Thanks again.

Now for the next problem if you're still interested in helping. I did a calibration with the standard Audyssey that comes with the AV10 and I have to say there's a very serious lack of bass. I haven't tried REW yet, but to my ear bass starts to fall off starting at about 60hz and continues to drop until it gets down to about 30hz. Once it hits 30, it falls completely off the face of the earth and I'm running 4 subs! I know a lack of bass has been a pretty common complaint with AV10 owners, but that's ridiculous. I've already spent a lot of money buying it so it just doesn't seem right that I have to spend hundreds more to go to Dirac. Is there anything else I can try?

Short version.
Go into the speaker menu and select levels. Choose subwoofer and bump it 3-5db and see how you like that. You may like more or less. But audyssey shoots for a flat response, so it calibrates all speakers to 75db. To most people, this sounds too light on the bass. Bumping the trim a few db usually satisfies most people.

 

[Jack N]

@TLS Guy I can't complain about any other part of the calibration. The mids and highs are good, and the clarity is quite good. It must have gotten the distances dead on the money. There's just a tremendous lack of bass the farther down the curve you go.

@William Lemmerhirt I tried that already. In fact, by the time I was done I had them cranked up as high as it would let me. It helped but that generated a new problem. Boosting the sub output boosted all the frequencies the subs were playing. So it made the deep bass sound better, but then as you get closer to 60hz the more bloated it would sound. I didn't like how it sounded, and I'm thinking running them that way would be pretty hard on the subs so I turned it back down. The only really good way to fix it, as far as I'm concerned, is to somehow un-do the bass curve that Audyssey put in it. Is Dirac the only way to that?

 

[Trebdp83]

What is the crossover setting of each speaker? Do you have your subs in the four corners of the room? Are you using the Directional Bass feature of the AV10?

 

[William Lemmerhirt]

@TLS Guy I can't complain about any other part of the calibration. The mids and highs are good, and the clarity is quite good. It must have gotten the distances dead on the money. There's just a tremendous lack of bass the farther down the curve you go.

@William Lemmerhirt I tried that already. In fact, by the time I was done I had them cranked up as high as it would let me. It helped but that generated a new problem. Boosting the sub output boosted all the frequencies the subs were playing. So it made the deep bass sound better, but then as you get closer to 60hz the more bloated it would sound. I didn't like how it sounded, and I'm thinking running them that way would be pretty hard on the subs so I turned it back down. The only really good way to fix it, as far as I'm concerned, is to somehow un-do the bass curve that Audyssey put in it. Is Dirac the only way to that?

To add to trebs questions.
No you don’t need Dirac. One option is the audyssey editor app. You can created a custom house curve that creates a slow rise from say, 200hz down to 20hz. This is usually more preferable than simply boosting the sub channel. I mostly suggested that to see if that would work. As you posted, it did not. The editor app, or audyssey one, a third party solution that people rave about are good options. Ratbuddyssey is web based app created by a user on avs that people like, but I don’t know a lot about it.

 

[Danzilla31]

@William Lemmerhirt and @Trebdp83 Thanks!! I got it working! To be honest, I'm not sure I can put my finger on exactly what the problem was, but I'm reasonably sure CEC was part of it so you got me pointed in the right direction. Thanks again.

Now for the next problem if you're still interested in helping. I did a calibration with the standard Audyssey that comes with the AV10 and I have to say there's a very serious lack of bass. I haven't tried REW yet, but to my ear bass starts to fall off starting at about 60hz and continues to drop until it gets down to about 30hz. Once it hits 30, it falls completely off the face of the earth and I'm running 4 subs! I know a lack of bass has been a pretty common complaint with AV10 owners, but that's ridiculous. I've already spent a lot of money buying it so it just doesn't seem right that I have to spend hundreds more to go to Dirac. Is there anything else I can try?

So like @William Lemmerhirt said Audyssey always sets the bass to low and we all usually raised that.

But you've already tried that

Have you tried moving the subs to different spots? Or are you limited to where you have them at now? Sometimes we are limited to where we can move the subs in our rooms

The reason I bring this up is even with 4 subs you might be sitting in a null in simple talk just a spot in the room that happens to not be good for the certain bass frequencies in your case the deep bass

I own 4 subs as well and in my room I have the exact opposite problem you have. For the deep bass at about 30hz and below my bass response is AWESOME. BUT at about 40 through 80 hz their is a suck out in that region where it doesn't have as much impact as I'd like

I don't have many options in moving my subs and in a null you can't eq it out so room corrections like Audyssey and Dirac wont be able to fix it so the workaround I was able to do was to add transducers in my seats I chose buttkickers and they have done a marvelous job blending in with my subs and giving me that midbass punch I feel is lacking in my room

 

[Danzilla31]

A lot of good transducers are also good for the deep bass frequencies your missing my buttkickers are good till 10hz

And the best ones in my opinion if you have the budget are Crowsons and they are flat to 1hz a friends theater Ive had the pleasure of hanging out in has Crowsons and they are super frickin awesome