Audyssey killing my HT sound?

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Hetfield

Audioholic Samurai
I bought a tripod at Walmart just now, 14 bucks can't beat that. 50 inch height max. I'm scared to redo Audyssey because it sounds so freaking good but at least I have it when I need it.
 
lovinthehd

lovinthehd

Audioholic Jedi
I bought a tripod at Walmart just now, 14 bucks can't beat that. 50 inch height max. I'm scared to redo Audyssey because it sounds so freaking good but at least I have it when I need it.
Did you save your current Audyssey run in your computer so you can always go back to it?
 
lovinthehd

lovinthehd

Audioholic Jedi
No, how the heck do you do that? Should be an option in the receiver to do that.
Sorry, my bad it seems, thought all the XT32 network enabled units had that option. I can't find anything related to it in your manual. In mine it's an option when you access the avr via your network on a computer (I have a 4520 so maybe its restricted to the higher end units only). Unless its just not described in the manual, which I doubt....
 
Pogre

Pogre

Audioholic Slumlord
Sorry, my bad it seems, thought all the XT32 network enabled units had that option. I can't find anything related to it in your manual. In mine it's an option when you access the avr via your network on a computer (I have a 4520 so maybe its restricted to the higher end units only). Unless its just not described in the manual, which I doubt....
I was scratching my head too, but thought maybe I missed something, lol. The editor app will let you save calibration files tho. I read another thread somewhere that said they did an update to the app? I'm thinking about downloading it and trying it out again.
 
lovinthehd

lovinthehd

Audioholic Jedi
I was scratching my head too, but thought maybe I missed something, lol. The editor app will let you save calibration files tho. I read another thread somewhere that said they did an update to the app? I'm thinking about downloading it and trying it out again.
That may be why it's not a direct option via network access if you have the Audyssey app (and in going thru the options in the manual didn't see a section mentioning the app at all....does it have separate documentation?). I wish I had the app option on the 4520.....
 
Pogre

Pogre

Audioholic Slumlord
That may be why it's not a direct option via network access if you have the Audyssey app (and in going thru the options in the manual didn't see a section mentioning the app at all....does it have separate documentation?). I wish I had the app option on the 4520.....
I don't recall anything in the manual about the app. You get documentation for the app separate iirc.
 
lovinthehd

lovinthehd

Audioholic Jedi
For $20 seems the app is a good way to go (despite your previous issues with it in your Marantz).
I don't recall anything in the manual about the app. You get documentation for the app separate iirc.
 
Jon AA

Jon AA

Audioholic
Fair or not, that probably helped Audyssey in the end, as it might have forced them to become more practically minded in developing their XT version as well as the Editor App.
That's exactly right. They were done a big favor in that study. As a result, they completely changed the way their RC works with XT32. Here's a comparison somebody did between XT and XT32, measuring the pre-outs:

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As you can see, XT (blue line) does diddly in the low frequencies, where EQ is needed the most. Then it goes nuts in the high frequencies, trying to correct hundreds of tiny little dips and bumps (which mostly wouldn't be audible anyway) most likely only making the sound worse.

XT32 on the other hand, goes after the bass frequencies with much higher resolution giving it a much better chance of providing a smooth room response at those frequencies. At higher frequencies, it transitions to much broader, smoother "tone control" type changes. Those are unlikely to harm the sound of good speakers (with smooth directivity curves) with the correct target curve (though, determining that is obviously the hard part) and could certainly make them sound "better" in a preference related way for individuals (a really good speaker that's just a bit bright could have the highs brought down a bit, etc). I have no doubt XT32 with a good custom target curve appropriate for the speakers being tested would do quite well in such a study today.

The App really unlocks the capability of Audyssey XT32 to the point the end result is largely dependent upon the person using it, not limitations of the software itself. I really wish they'd make it more user friendly by including a few different "Global Target Curves" that may get people closer to a good end result more quickly and easily. But those results are obtainable with the current App, it just takes a little effort.

It's unfortunate, but I'd guess about 99% of people who are dissatisfied with XT32 did not go through this exercise. Of course, until a couple of years ago it was impossible without paying for the Pro version so it isn't necessarily their fault.
 
ryanosaur

ryanosaur

Audioholic Overlord
For backing up your avr settings, there should be an option to save to a thumb drive. Otherwise, I do like the app. Still sometimes wonky, and better on a larger screen than a phone, but it works. And I’ve used it more than number of times I’ve watched the last 4K Blu-ray I bought... and for what that cost me, the Aud app has come out ahead in terms of entertainment usefulness! :p
 
William Lemmerhirt

William Lemmerhirt

Audioholic Overlord
Also, when it comes to group delay, I've always been bias towards sealed subs over ported. I never wanted a slow, bloated, ported subs because of it.
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AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

Audioholic Jedi
That's exactly right. They were done a big favor in that study. As a result, they completely changed the way their RC works with XT32. Here's a comparison somebody did between XT and XT32, measuring the pre-outs:

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As you can see, XT (blue line) does diddly in the low frequencies, where EQ is needed the most. Then it goes nuts in the high frequencies, trying to correct hundreds of tiny little dips and bumps (which mostly wouldn't be audible anyway) most likely only making the sound worse.

XT32 on the other hand, goes after the bass frequencies with much higher resolution giving it a much better chance of providing a smooth room response at those frequencies. At higher frequencies, it transitions to much broader, smoother "tone control" type changes. Those are unlikely to harm the sound of good speakers (with smooth directivity curves) with the correct target curve (though, determining that is obviously the hard part) and could certainly make them sound "better" in a preference related way for individuals (a really good speaker that's just a bit bright could have the highs brought down a bit, etc). I have no doubt XT32 with a good custom target curve appropriate for the speakers being tested would do quite well in such a study today.

The App really unlocks the capability of Audyssey XT32 to the point the end result is largely dependent upon the person using it, not limitations of the software itself. I really wish they'd make it more user friendly by including a few different "Global Target Curves" that may get people closer to a good end result more quickly and easily. But those results are obtainable with the current App, it just takes a little effort.

It's unfortunate, but I'd guess about 99% of people who are dissatisfied with XT32 did not go through this exercise. Of course, until a couple of years ago it was impossible without paying for the Pro version so it isn't necessarily their fault.
I don’t see how that graph shows XT32 (green) does better than XT (blue)

There’s a big trough in XT32 between 30-70Hz. And then after that, it looks similar for both XT and XT32.

I think XT32 does worse than XT or about the same.
 
fast fred

fast fred

Full Audioholic
I can't find anywhere under AVR settings to adjust dialogue as someone here said they did

I have the Sr6013
 
Pogre

Pogre

Audioholic Slumlord
I can't find anywhere under AVR settings to adjust dialogue as someone here said they did

I have the Sr6013
Setup button on the remote which brings up this screen.

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Select "Audio", which brings up this screen.

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Dialogue level adjust is the first selection at the top on my Marantz SR6011.
 
H

Hetfield

Audioholic Samurai
Setup button on the remote which brings up this screen.

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Select "Audio", which brings up this screen.

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Dialogue level adjust is the first selection at the top on my Marantz SR6011.
What does that do exactly because I have no idea? What can you do with that? Dialog honestly sound fascistic with the receiver I have to day. No complaints at all.
 
Pogre

Pogre

Audioholic Slumlord
What does that do exactly because I have no idea? What can you do with that? Dialog honestly sound fascistic with the receiver I have to day. No complaints at all.
I've never played with the setting so I have no clue. All my speakers are positioned for optimum performance and I was very careful when I ran through Audyssey setup so I really have no problems hearing dialogue.
 
H

Hetfield

Audioholic Samurai
I've never played with the setting so I have no clue. All my speakers are positioned for optimum performance and I was very careful when I ran through Audyssey setup so I really have no problems hearing dialogue.
Me either.. now.
 
William Lemmerhirt

William Lemmerhirt

Audioholic Overlord
For some reason I recall dialog adjust settings are only applied to atmos/dtsX tracks as they have dialogue separately available to the processor. For regular tracks I don’t think it does anything. Could be wrong though...
 
Trell

Trell

Audioholic Spartan
Setup button on the remote which brings up this screen.

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Select "Audio", which brings up this screen.

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Dialogue level adjust is the first selection at the top on my Marantz SR6011.
The "Dialog Level Adjust" has been renamed to "Center Level Adjust" in newer Marantz/Denon receivers. In the high end Denons (Marantz as well I think) there is a "Dialog Enhancer" that only increases the SPL for some frequencies, and there is a thread/post about this in this forum this spring/summer I think.
 

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