Audyssey Editor App- With Screenshots!

[PENG]

I currently have an Audyssey curve loaded in my avr right now that I did not use the the app to take (subs trimmed -10, upper frequencies boosted a little more) and did some sweeps. A couple sub sweeps and a couple with both L/R main speakers by themselves, DEQ on and DEQ off for both sets of sweeps.

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I overlayed the sub with my main speakers in both of these. This one is with DEQ on.

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This one is with DEQ off. What am I looking at here? To my untrained eye my main speakers are a real mess!

I'm going to upload the last app file I measured using the app and do the same sweeps. I wanna see what it comes up with. I'm almost positive they'll be quite a bit different. Everything is equal for both files. The only difference is one was taken using the app and the other without. Again, this set of sweeps is based on a curve not measured by the app.

You can also pick the reference to get some HF roll off. Most main speakers don't get to look pretty at the high and low ends unless you use smoothing as Shady mentioned. You can now see why changing well designed amps won't make much audible difference. You can now add an external 300WPC ATI amp, and the two frequency response curves will just overlap to look like one. At comfortable listening level, the distortion curves would also look very similar. Moving your mic by even 6 inches will, however, result in different curve.

 

[Pogre]

You can also pick the reference to get some HF roll off. Most main speakers don't get to look pretty at the high and low ends unless you use smoothing as Shady mentioned. You can now see why changing well designed amps won't make much audible difference. You can now add an external 300WPC ATI amp, and the two frequency response curves will just overlap to look like one. At comfortable listening level, the distortion curves would also look very similar. Moving your mic by even 6 inches will, however, result in different curve.

Peng, Guess who just figured out how to apply 1/12 smoothing! That's What I've been spending the last hour or so doing. I put together a couple of graphs.

This is a curve using measurements taken using just the receiver, No DEQ

This curve was taken using the app to take the measurements. Also no DEQ. I get that my bass response is pretty good, but for the life of me i couldn't figure out how to get the sweeps for my main speakers to not look so... jaggy. They do look pretty similar. I'm done for the night. I'll do some more in the morning.

 

[shadyJ]

Your frequency response curves are not bad. If you want to smooth it out, look into room treatments. That would not be a small project to tackle really well though. A lot of people do a perfunctory job and the result is a nothing burger. You can also do manual EQing, if you really love tweaking.

 

[Pogre]

Okay, as promised I got up early this morning to do some more intensive measurements than I have before, now that I'm armed with a little more knowledge using REW. Early because I didn't want to have to have to fight the heat again with me with turning my HVAC off and on for measurements. I unplugged my fridge too and got the noise floor down to ~ -70.

I started off by taking 8 new Audyssey measurements (at six in the morning) using first the app and saving the calibration file on my tablet. Then I took 8 new Audyssey measurements using the receiver by itself.

REW:
I used the Audyssey calibration file I took last, using the receiver by itself for measurements (since it was already in there) and took 2 sets of REW sweeps. 6 for my main speakers (both at the same time) and 6 for my subwoofers, placing the mic in the same pattern and height (about 1" over the back of the chair) that I took my Audyssey measurements from.

I could only get 6 REW measurements because the cables I have aren't long enough to get 7 and 8 behind the chair. I think 6 is pretty good though.

I then uploaded the calibration file from my tablet, wash, rinse and repeat with REW measurements. I averaged the 2 sets of 6 for my mains, did the same for the subs measurements and made a couple of overlays. Between REW and Audyssey I think I took 28 measurements altogether this morning. These are my results.

These are the sweeps I took for my main speakers. The red line is the receiver by itself. Purple is the calibration file I uploaded from my app. They're really pretty close. I can see what I'm hearing that's different though. They're not night and day, but the difference is audible to me. This is very consistent with what I've been getting over the last few days. I kind of prefer the receiver's curve here. Happy with both, really though. I acknowledge the differences are pretty small.

Subwoofers! Here, imo, is a fairly significant difference. The purple line is the receiver by itself and the green is the file I uploaded from my tablet. This is very consistent also, and believe me, I've taken many, many measurements over the last few days. I have a reasonable sample size to pull from. I'd say my favored curve should be pretty obvious here...

It looks like the averaged measurements are a little kinder with that 34hz peak and 42hz dip. It's really very good right now. I'm just spinning around in this rabbit hole... Still waiting to hear back from Chris on it.

*Edit: I just bumped the thread on facebook I have with Chris. I only uploaded the overlay of the subs. He asked for averaged measurements yesterday. I was kinda done with measuring by that time, lol.

 

[Pogre]

Your frequency response curves are not bad. If you want to smooth it out, look into room treatments. That would not be a small project to tackle really well though. A lot of people do a perfunctory job and the result is a nothing burger. You can also do manual EQing, if you really love tweaking.

Oh hell no. I'm not doing any room treatments. I agree with you, my frc aren't bad at all. I just tried tweaking a couple minor spots with the app editor and it didn't do anything. Plus I'd like to know why the calibration curves are so different between the app and receiver by itself. I was working on that post above while you responded.

 

[shadyJ]

Those responses are very good. The average 3 graph from the top pic looks like it is within a 6 dB window from 300 Hz and above, that is very good. It is kind of you to help with the R&D with Audyssey's new gizmo. They should give you a consultancy fee, or at least a discount for the AVR!

 

[panteragstk]

Those responses are very good. The average 3 graph from the top pic looks like it is within a 6 dB window from 300 Hz and above, that is very good. It is kind of you to help with the R&D with Audyssey's new gizmo. They should give you a consultancy fee, or at least a discount for the AVR!

No kidding. Gotta love being an un-paid beta tester...that had to pay to be a beta tester.

 

[PENG]

No kidding. Gotta love being an un-paid beta tester...that had to pay to be a beta tester.

We need to bookmark this page.

 

[Pogre]

They should give you a consultancy fee, or at least a discount for the AVR!

How about a complimentary upgrade to the SR7011!

Thanks shady. I don't mind doing this right now because I have the time. It won't be too long before I won't have time for this kind of stuff, so I might as well dial it all in before that time comes! I'm really happy with the fr I have right now. I know it sounds good. I can hear it.

FWIW all those measurements were taken with the volume on my SR6011 set at -30, DEQ off.

I love it when the distances for my front stage come out like that.

I just got a $3000 check from my old job that I wasn't expecting and can pretty much do as I please with. I might have to start a new thread...

 

[William Lemmerhirt]

How about the....."Moving bookshelves to the rear and replacing with ultra towers" thread? Lololol!!!!!!!!
You know that was coming! :neener:

 

[Pogre]

How about the....."Moving bookshelves to the rear and replacing with ultra towers" thread? Lololol!!!!!!!!
You know that was coming! :neener:

Oh I've thought about it. I dunno. if I buy new speakers I'm pretty sure it'll be something from Dennis or Salk.

*Edit: @William Lemmerhirt, I've been eyeballing the new Monolith amps since Gene posted about them. I dunno about speakers. I just got the matching center for my Ultras. Think the towers would be a worthy upgrade? I'm gonna take my time on this one. I'm sure there are other things to consider. I'm considering this play money though...

 

[Pogre]

I spent most of yesterday wrestling with this app editor and I'm largely frustrated. At the end of it all I've determined that corrections made using the editor for measurements are just, wrong.

1. The app editor always, ALWAYS trims my subs 3db louder than the receiver does. For instance, the editor willset the trim at -6, while the receiver sets the trim at -9. This is very consistent.

2. When I do a curve copy in the graphic eq menu for each adjustment the editor always, ALWAYS bumps the 250 hz band +6 db. That's as high as it can. I can't imagine that would be good for my speakers? It's pretty audible and sounds not so good. Also very consistent

I'm going to take some rew measurements today and see if what shows on screen also shows in measurements.

 

[Pogre]

 

[KEW]

I spent most of yesterday wrestling with this app editor and I'm largely frustrated. At the end of it all I've determined that corrections made using the editor for measurements are just, wrong.

1. The app editor always, ALWAYS trims my subs 3db louder than the receiver does. For instance, the editor willset the trim at -6, while the receiver sets the trim at -9. This is very consistent.

2. When I do a curve copy in the graphic eq menu for each adjustment the editor always, ALWAYS bumps the 250 hz band +6 db. That's as high as it can. I can't imagine that would be good for my speakers? It's pretty audible and sounds not so good. Also very consistent

I'm going to take some rew measurements today and see if what shows on screen also shows in measurements.

Sounds like Audyssey/D+M should put you on their payrole!

 

[lovinthehd]

Sounds like Audyssey/D+M should put you on their payrole!

...or at least reimburse you for the funky app....

 

[panteragstk]

...or at least reimburse you for the funky app....

If you read the reviews on the play store or app store they are...less than stellar.

 

[lovinthehd]

If you read the reviews on the play store or app store they are...less than stellar.

Not impressed with @Pogre 's experience, and the response of Chris K/Audyssey on FB hasn't been too hot either...

 

[Pogre]

Not impressed with @Pogre 's experience, and the response of Chris K/Audyssey on FB hasn't been too hot either...

Man, you got that right. I can't get poop for help.

Marantz: "We really don't know a lot because it's so new."
Audyssey: "Denon or Marantz are handling anything to do with the App Editor. Sorry to hear you're experiencing problems."



Anyway I did some measurements with REW and here are my results.

Those are all focused on the upper frequencies, obviously.

There I wanted to see what was going on with that +6db bump at 250 hz that was shown in manual eq/curve copy. My untrained eye doesn't see a whole lot of difference.

Those are the sub sweeps. I can see a difference here. This is pretty consistent.

Just for grins I did an overlay of eq1 and eq2 with the Hsu's. No app involved with that one.

 

[PENG]

...or at least reimburse you for the funky app....

Agree with you and Kurt, if nothing else at least belated/retroactive beta tester would be good too, better late than sorry.

 

[PENG]

Man, you got that right. I can't get poop for help.

Marantz: "We really don't know a lot because it's so new."
Audyssey: "Denon or Marantz are handling anything to do with the App Editor. Sorry to hear you're experiencing problems."



Anyway I did some measurements with REW and here are my results.

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Those are all focused on the upper frequencies, obviously.

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There I wanted to see what was going on with that +6db bump at 250 hz that was shown in manual eq/curve copy. My untrained eye doesn't see a whole lot of difference.

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Those are the sub sweeps. I can see a difference here. This is pretty consistent.

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Just for grins I did an overlay of eq1 and eq2 with the Hsu's. No app involved with that one.

At least they are honest about it, though they should not charge $20 until the product is fully debugged. Unfortunately unless there are enough people complain about it, nothing will happen soon..

Having said that, there is still hope that they will eventually release an update to make it usable. The good thing is, you are still getting decent results without the App.