Audioquest Cable EXPERIENCE

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markw

Audioholic Overlord
"Do you listen to it? Can you hear a difference? Then it is probably worth it."

Dont think, just react on the emotions of tne moment.

Sounds like a con man reeling in a mark. Wanna play Three card Monte?
 
Resident Loser

Resident Loser

Senior Audioholic
Nickel, dime, quarter, quarter...

...penny, penny...OK I got my two cents...

Wire IS wire...since the days of buying raw Electro-voice and Altec drivers and sending for the plans to build proper cabinets to house them, it always has been and it always will be...

To the best of my knowledge there has never been any verified, repeatable demonstration to counter the following: there is no percieved sonic difference between wires of similar gauge and length...dielectric composition is an "item" at dataspeeds...eutectic solders, like IEC connectors and the things folks connect to them are a "cottage industry" simply as a result of manufacturing economies...

Waybackwhen, when wire was considered wire by just about all in their right mind, I purchased, as an impulse item mind you, a pair of Polk Cobras at my local, snot-ball, sound emporioum...they looked nifty so even when they did nothing musically, I kept 'em...strictly for looks and after all I was an "audiophile" wasn't I? A short time later my amp went up in a puff of smoke...conjecture was it didn't like the load presented by the wires...Went back to zip-type (50ft/ch of 10ga.---things got moved around after that incident) and the amp worked faithfully for quite some time...

A combo of Discwasher Gold-ens, some TEAC lo-cap pieces and an assortment of well made generic OEM inclusions rounds out my wiring needs...and trust me if a flea f@rts in the studio and there's a mic to pick it up, I can hear it...

jimHJJ(...it's all twaddle...)
 
Duffinator

Duffinator

Audioholic Field Marshall
mtrycrafts said:
I may be deaf. :D What I hear is meaningless to anyone else, really, except in general terms that I heard something. Why would I pull the wool over anyone about my boomoxes? I have two. At one time, another poster confirmed that. If I have anything else is irrelevant. All we need is another Polk bashing;)
I don't think you are deaf. But please cough up the real truth, with two boomboxes you really have a quadaphonic system. :D Do you have an eight track tape deck to go along with it?
 
mtrycrafts

mtrycrafts

Seriously, I have no life.
Duffinator said:
I don't think you are deaf. But please cough up the real truth, with two boomboxes you really have a quadaphonic system. :D Do you have an eight track tape deck to go along with it?

You sly, discovered the truth but as it has 4 channels, I threw away the other 4 tracks on that tape player.:D
 
mtrycrafts

mtrycrafts

Seriously, I have no life.
AudioSeer said:
I have heard this argument more times than I can count.

For every person that claims to hear a difference, there is someone who claims to hear no difference.

Cable proponents claim that measurements alone can not quantify differences in sound. They claim that a listening test is the only way to discern audible differences in between cables. However, even listening tests are far more inaccurate than measurements. I am not aware of a single scientifically valid listening test that demonstrates audible differences in between cables that measure similiarly.

However, there are valid tests that demonstrate that a fairly substantial difference in measurements must exist before the differences become audible.

In addition, we have known for a long time how unreliable sighted tests are whenever humans are involved. That's why medical tests always use a control group.

You keep repeating this and will be accused of sounding like a broken record, like me:D always the same. Yep, I wonder what the teacher tells the class each year. I bet pretty much the same things.:D
 
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Melikey

Audiophyte
Why all the attitude???

I have to state for the record that some of the responses to what seems like a reasonable topic simply blow me away. I don't get what you have to loose by listening to someone else's opinion. If you don't have a valid argument simply insulting the persons opinion only shows a complete lack of intelligence. Note that most of the insulting responses are from people who can not even form complete sentences or spell. Feel free to use the spell check.

As to the topic at hand. I too am a huge fan of Audio Quest. I assure you, I am no dealer. I am a financial planner if you must know. I was very skeptical, at best, before I forked over the dough for my cables...Audio Quest
CV-8 speaker wire to fronts and center
Type-8 to surrounds and rear surrounds
Eagle Eye Digital interconnects
YIQ-3 component video cables
Optilink-3 (where toslink was the only option)
NRG-3 power cables
Diamondback sub kit

I thought I had pretty descent cables already, and really could not see the advantage. I also took 26 hours of psychology in college and know the powers of the brain to influence your decision based on preconceived perceptions. I was fortunate enough to locate a dealer who would let me demo cables for an entire weekend on my own system. Rather than A/B them on myself, I did a blind A/B for my wife. She was not privy as to which cables were A and which were B. I only asked here to describe any differences she saw or heard. We went through each type of cable one by one to see if any advantage could be seen and or heard. Also, for the record my wife would prefer me buying just about anything other than more "crap" (her words) for my theater. One by one, she was blown away with either one cable or the other. In fact, in the case of the Eagle Eye compared to my mid level Tara Lab digital coax, we started with the Tara Lab. We listened to a variety of music...Norah Jones, Allison Krauss, Pink Floyd etc...Some live, some recording studio. We then listened to the same music with the Eagle Eye for a few hours. I then switched back to the Tara Lab. I never told her which cable she was listening to. After the switch from the Eagle Eye to my old Tara Lab, she looked as though someone had just made her eat an entire lemon with the peel still on. I too was shocked at the difference, but I consider myself an audiophile and she does not. She told me in detail why she preferred the B cable (Eagle Eye) to the A cable (Tara lab). For the record all was played on the same equipment at the same level in stereo only. I was surprised to hear my wife say things like "did you turn on the sub? Did you turn on the surrounds? Did you turn up the volume?" The answer of course was NO NO NO. Without exception she preferred the Audio Quest cable to my existing cables. Some effect were not as dramatic as the Eagle Eye, or the switch to the YIQ-3 component video cables, but all were impressive. Another words, dramatically increased imaging, a fuller, richer and warmer sound, dramatically increased black levels, etc...When I informed her the Eagle Eye alone was a $650 cable, she said it was well worth it. This is coming from someone who previously thought the last thing I needed to spend more money on was home theater "crap".

Maybe my test wasn't scientific enough for some of you. Maybe all the science in the world wouldn't be enough for you. The point of my post is merely to back others who have said to listen for yourself. Were a blind fold and let someone else A/B the cables for you. Until you have, you don't even have a right to an opinion. After all, my mother swears she can't see a difference in HD vs. standard def TV. Is she wrong? I certainly thinks so. Most people on the planet would agree. But she has BAD EYES. So to someone who is almost legally blind I can understand were she is coming from. At least she looked before making her decision. Listen and look for yourself. Are my cables the best on the planet? I don't know. I know they are the best I've heard within my budget to me, and that's all I need to know.

FYI...other components
Marantz SR7500 Receiver
Sony DVP-S9000ES DVD Player
DirecTv HR 10-250 HDTV DVR tuner
Panamax line conditioner
Richard Grey RGPC 400S
Sharp XVZ 2000 U DLP Projector
110” Stewart Greyhawk Reference series screen
Monitor Gold Reference 20’s
Monitor Gold Reference Center
Monitor Gold Reference GRFX Surround
Monitor Gold Reference GR 10’s
Definitive Technology Super Cube II

My room is 16' by 30' and has been acoustically treated thoroughly.

Happy hunting.:)
 
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markw

Audioholic Overlord
Can't put together a complete sentence?

Well, if that's not a condescending remark I don't know what is.

But, in any case, we have one school of thought that says one's "acoustic memory" cannot recall sounds for more than a short period of time. I believe this was covered in your classes?

Add to that that most experienced audiophiles who DO swear by cable differeces admit that differences in cahbles are subtle, at best.

That's where instantaneous A/B switching is needed. From personal experience I tend to go along with this.

Without that and some sort of impartial controls, science and logic are not on your side.

So, lacking that and any proof otherwise, I strongly doubt your story.
 
gene

gene

Audioholics Master Chief
Administrator
I love how a new poster always jumps in claiming their wives could clearly hear a major difference when swapping out cables. I occasionally get emails like this only the wife usually hears a clear difference all the way from the kitchen :rolleyes:

In any event, if you perceive a difference even if none exists, simply enjoy and be happy...
 
Buckeyefan 1

Buckeyefan 1

Audioholic Ninja
When I informed her the Eagle Eye alone was a $650 cable, she said it was well worth it.
I bet she also has an Ionic Breeze in every room of the house. ;)

I also took 26 hours of psychology in college and know the powers of the brain to influence your decision based on preconceived perceptions.
As the test subject? How much did they pay you?

I am a financial planner if you must know.
I feel sorry for the couple investing with you the day before you bought those cables. :eek:
 
Sheep

Sheep

Audioholic Warlord
Thusly, proving my theory that the new members lately are shooting out their knee's.

SheepStar
 
mtrycrafts

mtrycrafts

Seriously, I have no life.
gene said:
I occasionally get emails like this only the wife usually hears a clear difference all the way from the kitchen :rolleyes:
...

Just wait, you will get one that will indicate the wife could tell the difference driving up the driveway:D
I have heard such claims.
 
mtrycrafts

mtrycrafts

Seriously, I have no life.
Sheep said:
Thusly, proving my theory that the new members lately are shooting out their knee's.

SheepStar

On their first post, no less:p
 
The Chukker

The Chukker

Full Audioholic
gene said:
I occasionally get emails like this only the wife usually hears a clear difference all the way from the kitchen :rolleyes:
I can't even get my wife IN the kitchen. Could we please have a study quoted with parameters more closely resembling the real world? Thanks.
:)
 
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mtrycrafts

mtrycrafts

Seriously, I have no life.
Melikey said:
I have to state for the record that some of the responses to what seems like a reasonable topic simply blow me away.
Melikey said:
If these blew you away, just stick around as some will kill you.


I don't get what you have to loose by listening to someone else's opinion.

Absolutely nothing. That is the beginning of a discussion, no?

Note that most of the insulting responses are from people who can not even form complete sentences or spell.


Are you a English major? Wrong place to hang out, if that is all you can pick on or must pick on.

Feel free to use the spell check.

How kind of you, thanks.


As to the topic at hand. I too am a huge fan of Audio Quest.

Great. Good for the economy.

I am a financial planner if you must know.

Irrelevant, not interested.

I was very skeptical, at best, before I forked over the dough for my cables...Audio Quest

Not enough, it seems. You rolled over in a hurry to all the cable bs.

I also took 26 hours of psychology in college and know the powers of the brain to influence your decision based on preconceived perceptions.

Or any number of biased reasons, right?


Maybe my test wasn't scientific enough for some of you.

Was it scientific enough for you? Did that course cover how to do a proper DBT test??? I bet not. Yours was a huge miss.

Maybe all the science in the world wouldn't be enough for you.


Actually, it would be and it has been plenty over the past 30+ years.
The science is not on the side of your belief engine though.

The point of my post is merely to back others who have said to listen for yourself. Were a blind fold and let someone else A/B the cables for you. Until you have, you don't even have a right to an opinion.

Everyone has a right to an opinion, no matter how bad it may be. Right?

Most people on the planet would agree.

How many did you sample for this?

So to someone who is almost legally blind I can understand were she is coming from.

Maybe most people have bad eyes, especially in other parts of the planet? You did include the whole planet, no? Just be careful with your exaggerations, ok?

Listen and look for yourself.

For some things, it is a waste of good time. Cables are one of them.

I know they are the best I've heard within my budget to me, and that's all I need to know.

You mean you listened to ALL the cables in your budget? Under bias controlled conditions? How many were there in your budget?
 
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markw

Audioholic Overlord
You remember this one too, eh?

mtrycrafts said:
Just wait, you will get one that will indicate the wife could tell the difference driving up the driveway
By the way, for one who would freely criticize others it appears he's not invulnerable to stoopid spelling/contextual errors either.

Melikey said:
I don't get what you have to loose by listening to someone else's opinion.
I'm pretty sure this passed his beloved spell check but even with that aid, it behooves one to know the meanings of the words used. Heck, this isn't even a homonym so that excuse is out the window.

There are many other grammatical errors on his part as well, some even in your quoted post, but I think I made my point. glass houses?
 
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Um, y'all seem to be talking to yourselves as the original poster has apparently left the building...

Everyone needs to remember the big "Don't feed the trolls" sign we have posted in the kitchen.
 
mtrycrafts

mtrycrafts

Seriously, I have no life.
Clint DeBoer said:
Um, y'all seem to be talking to yourselves as the original poster has apparently left the building...

Everyone needs to remember the big "Don't feed the trolls" sign we have posted in the kitchen.

Once these get started, it is like a cocaine experience:D Someone needs to shake you back to reality.:rolleyes:
 
mtrycrafts

mtrycrafts

Seriously, I have no life.
markw said:
By the way, for one who would freely criticize others it appears he's not invulnerable to stoopid spelling/contextual errors either.

I'm pretty sure this passed his beloved spell check but even with that aid, it behooves one to know the meanings of the words used. Heck, this isn't even a homonym so that excuse is out the window.

There are many other grammatical errors on his part as well, some even in your quoted post, but I think I made my point. glass houses?

Obviously he didn't pay attention in school for this.:p
 
Mudcat

Mudcat

Senior Audioholic
Melikey said:
...When I informed her the Eagle Eye alone was a $650 cable, she said it was well worth it.
Now we really know your full of $#!+, because no man would tell his wife that he spent $650 on wire and not be thumbing the yellow pages for cheap motels and cheaper lawyers while sitting at a downtown bus stand the next morning feeling lucky to have gotten out of the house alive.
 
highfihoney

highfihoney

Audioholic Samurai
Mudcat said:
Now we really know your full of $#!+, because no man would tell his wife that he spent $650 on wire and not be thumbing the yellow pages for cheap motels and cheaper lawyers while sitting at a downtown bus stand the next morning feeling lucky to have gotten out of the house alive.
Melikey,i was rootin for ya but mudcat's got you dead to right's on that one,LMAO:D

the jig is up bud:eek:
 

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