Audioholics...Please review Obsessive Compulsive Audiophile's A1 Evo Audyssey Optimization Tool!

[The Commish]

You’ll have to remeasure after uploading to the AVR to see what the effect is.

True, but the real test lies in between your ears.

Listen and experience, then look at what was done via graphs.

I don't get the resistance from people just experiencing the change and then diving deep to see the changes.

 

[navid0308]

You’ll have to remeasure after uploading to the AVR to see what the effect is. The creators of the automatic adjustment tool should have given such an example, in my opinion.

I don’t think I’ve seen any room correction software take measurements post calibration to show you the results.

many, including myself, have taken before and after measurements. It definitely doesn’t look as nice and smooth as audyssey but it actually sounds a lot better. I would say the approach is more “correct”, evo uses EQ to knock down modal peaks and brute force searches all delay options for best subwoofer integration.

one neat trick evo does in certain cases is lfe+main - since evo doesn’t boost, it uses lfe+main and rolls off the mains in a variable fashion so the mains only fill in the dips of the sub response. It’ll make you question what you know, believe me. If you can’t get past the prejudice of using large/lfe+main, evo also provides options to optimize in a more traditional manner.

As previously mentioned, thousands use it, a lot of comparisons have been made with Dirac and a lot of folks ended up preferring it over Dirac. If you’re skeptical, that’s fine, but try it, it’s free and has been through enough revisions that if it was gonna blow up avrs, it would’ve done so by now.

 

[EB1000]

I heard about this but TBH, I prefer Audyssey PC and using manual biquads to refine bass response and shelve fullrange correction below the point where Audyssey diverged from normal speaker response. I then use shelving filters to tilt treble to taste depending on room acoustics. This process usually takes me a 2-3 hours but the results are consistently excellent. Not sure I want to mess with installing unsanctioned ver of Audyssey into a $7500 prepro.

I will ask Marantz about this.

Seriously? I have a feeling that D&M has asked Gene not to promote A1 EVO to prevent further financial damages they've already sustained when many users discovered that the free A1 EVO outperforms D&M's useless MultiEQ-X. A1 EVO is 100% safe because there is nothing it can do that cannot be undone by a factory reset...

This sounds like a lousy excuse because Gene could always use an older/cheaper AVR to test EVO w/o "endangering" his $7500 AVP...

This is why I can't really trust most of Audioholics' manufacturer-provided gear-based reviews because chances are that they're more of biased paid promotions rather than objective reviews.

 

[The Commish]

Seriously? I have a feeling that D&M has asked Gene not to promote A1 EVO to prevent further financial damages they've already sustained when many users discovered that the free A1 EVO outperforms D&M's useless MultiEQ-X. A1 EVO is 100% safe because there is nothing it can do that cannot be undone by a factory reset...

This sounds like a lousy excuse because Gene could always use an older/cheaper AVR to test EVO w/o "endangering" his $7500 AVP...

This is why I can't really trust most of Audioholics' manufacturer-provided gear-based reviews because chances are that they're more of biased paid promotions rather than objective reviews.

It's going to get worse.
Reviewers will be held liable now with a passage of a new law that goes into effect in October.
Now it's give me product, tell me what to say and keep it moving.

 

[William Lemmerhirt]

It's going to get worse.
Reviewers will be held liable now with a passage of a new law that goes into effect in October.
Now it's give me product, tell me what to say and keep it moving.

Held liable for what?

 

[The Commish]

 

[famasfilms]

Audyssey One script was a big motivation for me to sell my Anthem 1140 and get the Denon A1H. Knowing I had a reliable method to optimize my setup was a big plus

 

[The Commish]

Audyssey One script was a big motivation for me to sell my Anthem 1140 and get the Denon A1H. Knowing I had a reliable method to optimize my setup was a big plus

EVO script actually helped me save a ton of money as well. I have a 6700 and was contemplating upgrading to a higher end processor and when I found his script, he breathed new life into the AVR.
People like Gene should just try it, critique if they feel it could do some more and then let the audio masses know.
Not hide behind a manufacturers skirt.

 

[famasfilms]

EVO script actually helped me save a ton of money as well. I have a 6700 and was contemplating upgrading to a higher end processor and when I found his script, he breathed new life into the AVR.
People like Gene should just try it, critique if they feel it could do some more and then let the audio masses know.
Not hide behind a manufacturers skirt.

If they don't want to review it then ironically this obsessive demanding isn't going to help.

I actually went from Denon 6500 to the Anthem and didn't hear any improvement, hence going to the A1h

 

[The Commish]

If they don't want to review it then ironically this obsessive demanding isn't going to help.
I actually went from Denon 6500 to the Anthem and didn't hear any improvement, hence going to the A1h

Let me get this straight, you upgraded to an Anthem, calibrated your system.
Then after using it, you weren't impressed.
Returned it and purchased the A1H.
At what point did you feel that going to the Denon and using the OCA script was going to be better.
Did you try it first on the 6500 or it was just a blind faith in the script.

 

[famasfilms]

Let me get this straight, you upgraded to an Anthem, calibrated your system.
Then after using it, you weren't impressed.
Returned it and purchased the A1H.
At what point did you feel that going to the Denon and using the OCA script was going to be better.
Did you try it first on the 6500 or it was just a blind faith in the script.

Anthem 1140 or Denon A1H

I upgraded from a Denon 6500 to an Anthem 1140 a few weeks ago. I have been underwhelmed so far by the Anthem. Perhaps I undervalued the 6500 as I picked it up used from someone who originally listed it as the 6700! I was using the 6500 with a Lyngdorf 1120 in ht-bypass mode. This gave me a...

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[Trell]

True, but the real test lies in between your ears.

Listen and experience, then look at what was done via graphs.

I don't get the resistance from people just experiencing the change and then diving deep to see the changes.

My BS Level Meter just hit 10.

 

[The Commish]

Anthem 1140 or Denon A1H

I upgraded from a Denon 6500 to an Anthem 1140 a few weeks ago. I have been underwhelmed so far by the Anthem. Perhaps I undervalued the 6500 as I picked it up used from someone who originally listed it as the 6700! I was using the 6500 with a Lyngdorf 1120 in ht-bypass mode. This gave me a...

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Thank you.
The last comment I read was Gene down biting the Anthem.
He lauds Audyssey X because he enjoys calibrating on the PC.
So the next logical step is EVO on his PC.

 

[The Commish]

My BS Level Meter just hit 10.

Asking people to listen is BS to you.
Wow

 

[Trell]

I don’t think I’ve seen any room correction software take measurements post calibration to show you the results.

The creators of the tool could measure and show the result, say, as part of that YouTube clip.

 

[Trell]

Asking people to listen is BS to you.
Wow

Just the usual audiophoolery making claims with nothing to back it up, and responds like you when asked about measurements. We’ve seen this many times here.

 

[The Commish]

Just the usual audiophoolery making claims with nothing to back it up, and responds like you when asked about measurements. We’ve seen this many times here.

I understand that point.
So that's why we ask your God Gene to check it out. Because then people with your mindset would then decide to give it respect and try for themselves.

 

[famasfilms]

Just the usual audiophoolery making claims with nothing to back it up, and responds like you when asked about measurements. We’ve seen this many times here.

I think people are misunderstanding or misrepresenting what Audyssey Evo does. The over-zealousness of the fans doesn't help convince anyone either.

All I can say is that I used for a few years a Denon 6500 with Lyngdorf 1120 stereo amp in htbypass mode for the front speakers. The sub was attached to the Lyngdorf. Denon sw was set to "none", fronts to large so that all bass/LFE got sent to the 1120 then to the sub. This involved running audyssey on the Denon, roomperfect on the 1120, bypassing audyssey on the fronts and then manually level-matching.

I'm no expert and only used a phone SPL but my levels were all over the place.

I decided to connect the sub back to the 6500 and run Audyssey then the Audyssey One script and wow - it breathed new life into my system. Clearly I must have been doing something wrong with the way I integrated the 6500+1120 previously because I went from barely watching movies to re-watching all my favourites just for the sound.

I then thought going from Denon to Anthem would be an upgrade, but as I wrote before on this board I didn't hear any improvement on the Anthem, didn't like the fan noise and other quirks and rather than persist with getting a random guy on AVSF to tweak my ARC file I decided to get an ex-display A1H

Knowing I had the Audyssey One script that would auto-optimise my Audyssey (levels, sub integration etc) was a big selling point. I knew I would keep the A1H on the first listening test.


What Audyssey One is, is an easy way for a non-expert/master user to optimise their existing audyssey file in under 5 minutes.

Could you get a better result doing everything manually via Mult-EQX if you know what you are doing? most likely.

 

[gene]

Seriously? I have a feeling that D&M has asked Gene not to promote A1 EVO to prevent further financial damages they've already sustained when many users discovered that the free A1 EVO outperforms D&M's useless MultiEQ-X. A1 EVO is 100% safe because there is nothing it can do that cannot be undone by a factory reset...

This sounds like a lousy excuse because Gene could always use an older/cheaper AVR to test EVO w/o "endangering" his $7500 AVP...

This is why I can't really trust most of Audioholics' manufacturer-provided gear-based reviews because chances are that they're more of biased paid promotions rather than objective reviews.

What idiotic logic you applied there. I don't need someone's script since I apply my own manual processes with great success. I have little time to fiddle with aftermarket stuff and I've already covered Audyssey to death. D&M could have easily locked their system out to prevent outside scripts but they chose not to which speaks volumes for how faulty your logic is again.

Applying your logic, one could be equally distrustful of reviews from consumer samples without having anyway of knowing if those samples are operating as the manufacturer intended without any modifications or known problems. I always prefer to evaluate factory fresh products. I also prefer to validate my measurements with the manufacturer who designed the product to ensure everything is working as expected. That's good engineering and professional courtesy.

 

[The Commish]

What idiotic logic you applied there. I don't need someone's script since I apply my own manual processes with great success. I have little time to fiddle with aftermarket stuff and I've already covered Audyssey to death.

So you wouldn't take a moment to find out if a script would actually facilitate what you do manually.
We are talking about a system that takes the common Audyssey to a new level.
So again, you wouldn't want to at least give it a try.
But if they asked you look at another option in Dirac, you would gladly jump on it .

As for what's in the script and what it's doing behind the scene, all you have to do is ask. OCA is a member of your board.

You are sounding very close minded, and to some , perhaps manufacturers lap dog.