as if COVID wasn't bad enough ............

[Danzilla31]

I didn't post that too counter your points you asked for proof that cops kill white people over the same reasons they kill black people

Doesnt mean that your points aren't valid you don't see me arguing with you do you? There s a reason for that

The evidence is abundant even in what I posted though that blacks are f@$!in a trillion times more likely to have a minor incident escalate by the cops then any other race of people in America

From what I've been researching THATS what the movement and protests are about and what the black community is asking the rest of there American citizens to get behind them on

And as has been mentioned before it's a narrative that is supported by research and now thanks to phones and cameras and technology we are actually seeing more and more of each day

I'm just a little tired of the politicizing and the just ridiculous shaming apologizing etc etc which hasn't been brought on by the black community in fact the movement has stated they don't need all the kneeling and all that bullsh@$ in fact they've asked or told there fellow Americans to stop doing that and help them out where it counts

They're not saying everyone in America is racist but the culture of policing and there obvious biased profiling and treatment of black Americans is and that it needs to change

I get it you don't have to beat me over the head with it for Christ's sake Bro

But you did ask for evidence that white people are treated the same in so I linked it that's just one of many articles talking about it

The bottom line is cops treat everyone like sh@$ if you meet a ceartin who the he'll knows exactly criteria in there head

Does our black American citizens get it worse then others no doubght about it

But cops have no problem dishing it to everyone

As I've posted before I've had plenty of being fu@$ed with by cops to know it's out there I'll repeat when I was young and dumb some of it I deserved but not most of it

And it will get worse for everyone with the rich getting richer and the rest of America getting poorer and poorer as our middle class in this country keeps getting smaller and smaller we are all if we end up on the wrong side of life going to be targeted by the narrative that runs through our police culture right now

This is why this movement in our black community is so important not just for the rightful change in there obvious mistreatment and oppression but ultimately for all of us

Other then just the sheer moral outrage of how my fellow human beings are being treated it's the other big reason I'm behind this movement we ALL stand to benefit from what they are all exposing and fighting to change

And just because I'm white you don't know me bro or what I've been through just like I wouldn't know what you've been through

I ain't NEVER had a cop work for me EVER just because I got stupid a@$ people like that white chick in the park pulling that sh@$! Doesn't mean the rest of us especially poor white males like I was starting out in life get that same luxury.

Or that I'd even want too quit lumping us all in the same pot.

I'd be damned if I'd sic a cop on anybody although I understand the need for police in our country I have my own reasons for not having love for them

 

[Danzilla31]

If it’s unclear whether bigotry plays a role, let me clarify...Bigotry plays a role in how black people are policed in America, by both the police and the citizenry.

You ever ask yourself how white people instinctively know that if they call the police on a black person the police arrive as their ally and not as a fact finder?
You ever ask yourself how white people instinctively know the quickest way to throw the police off their trail is to say, “a black guy did it”
You ever ask yourself why white people have the inalienable right to question a black persons right to exist in any given place, at any given time? Starbucks, their own neighborhoods, apartment complexes, public parks, or any other place a white person decides a black person does not belong. And if they don’t receive an answer they are happy with ....the police will be called.

White people know that the police work for them, and will quickly remind the police of that fact if their is any confusion...

It is written into the T’s and C’s...

I think your right tho I wish we could all just sit down and rap about this trying to communicate through a forum clearly what each person is trying to say is TOUGH.

I'm hoping that's what happens when the emotions start cooling down

That communities and citizens of all our different races get together and start talking this stuff out and coming up with the right plans for change

Right now I'm wary of diving in with all the politicizing and just knee jerk reactions but I'm Damn well sure going to get out there and get involved

 

[Old Onkyo]

Keep the main thing, the main thing.

Young man, I've already commented on the inequality of the Police (perhaps you should have been part of this thread since the beginning so as to better understand). As for the family unit issue, again your comprehension skills need a bit of honing, for I did not single out the black community. As for your last sentence, 'bullshit'(as you would say), go back and read my post #110 in this thread.

Now, go forth and have a great weekend !

Look, man It’s the packaged “yea but” argument. It is no different than looking at a rape victim and saying yea but ....let’s investigate their backgrounds.

These protests are not because the police killed these people in an armed robbery, go down the list of names and cases what are the crimes? Passing a fake $20, sleeping in your own home? Selling loose cigarette, eating ice cream in your living room?

It’s embarrassing that any rational person (not you, just making the argument) would first deny the reality of bias policing, Then as a sign of their progressive nature concede that point then Quickly shifts the argument And blames the victim.

I read well enough, but it is not necessary for you to have explicitly singled out the black community. That’s who the conversation is about. These are not Irish people being killed...

I mean, you just repeated the behavior with me. I called the argument put forth bullshit, right?
You respond by assuming/questioning my age, The length of time I have been involved in this thread, my comprehension skills....

 

[Old Onkyo]

Or that I'd even want too quit lumping us all in the same pot.

I'd be damned if I'd sic a cop on anybody although I understand the need for police in our country I have my own reasons for not having love for them

I feel you man, be clear, I can’t condemn a class of people, I am attacking the ideology behind the argument.

keep the main thing the main thing!

 

[Old Onkyo]

Why all of a sudden does everyone want Colin Kaepernick to play football?
He has wisely been silent in all of this, yet his name is falling out of Goodell and even Trumps mouth?

What changed? Did Colin repent from his past sins and promise never to take a knee again?
Colin Kaepernick playing football again is inconsequential.

so instead of addressing the current state of affairs, the powers that be want to let Colin play again. The time to do right was three years ago.

 

[Ponzio]

These protests are not because the police killed these people in an armed robbery, go down the list of names and cases what are the crimes? Passing a fake $20, sleeping in your own home? Selling loose cigarette, eating ice cream in your living room?

Let's not forget 'for riding a bicycle without a safety light'
https://news.yahoo.com/byron-williams-died-saying-cant-083331934.html

 

[Mikado463]

These protests are not because the police killed these people in an armed robbery, go down the list of names and cases what are the crimes? Passing a fake $20, sleeping in your own home? Selling loose cigarette, eating ice cream in your living room?

agreed and I never said otherwise

it is not necessary for you to have explicitly singled out the black community.

not quite, you need to go back and read my post(#549), I stand by my belief that the lack of the family unit(regardless of race) is a real problem in this country. My reference to the black community was not meant as a racist comment, sorry if you felt that way. Regardless, if you don't think my point is valid then we have very little to discuss going forward.

You respond by assuming/questioning my age,

LOL, I never assumed a thing, as for 'young man', consider it a compliment !

The length of time I have been involved in this thread, my comprehension skills....

and .......... did I not answer the last sentence of your previous post towards me ?

 

[Danzilla31]

I feel you man, be clear, I can’t condemn a class of people, I am attacking the ideology behind the argument.

keep the main thing the main thing!

I got you like you said it's hard to say everything perfectly right on a forum I know you didn't mean anything wrong at all. But it's still worth it even if it's hard we need more conversations like this everywhere I've really enjoyed this thread even when miscommunications have flared up. This is exactly the type of open communication our country needs


Honestly I'm hoping to get to know you better down the road when this COVID calms down

I've always enjoyed your posts you and me have dialogued back and forth and from everything I can see from listening to you your a stand up guy the kind of people I like to surround myself with in my life

I've already had tentative plans to visit KEW and a few others for audio and just plain getting to know them better when COVID calms down your someone Id like to add to that growing number of friends on here I'm finding

And as you said let's get back to keeping it on the main point

 

[Old Onkyo]

Guys look, if I deconstruct an argument you make that’s really my intent. Nothing more. sometimes I think the point is missed, and the more times these arguments go forth unchallenged people may take them as truth.

Mikado463, it’s an argument, not a fight. We aren’t going to solve anything here, we vent, try to get and give a little understanding. We all may be feeling different parts of the same elephant, but I know what my hands smell like. If it feels personal, my most humble apology.

 

[Old Onkyo]

I got you like you said it's hard to say everything perfectly right on a forum I know you didn't mean anything wrong at all. But it's still worth it even if it's hard we need more conversations like this everywhere I've really enjoyed this thread even when miscommunications have flared up. This is exactly the type of open communication our country needs


Honestly I'm hoping to get to know you better down the road when this COVID calms down

I've always enjoyed your posts you and me have dialogued back and forth and from everything I can see from listening to you your a stand up guy the kind of people I like to surround myself with in my life

I've already had tentative plans to visit KEW and a few others for audio and just plain getting to know them better when COVID calms down your someone Id like to add to that growing number of friends on here I'm finding

And as you said let's get back to keeping it on the main point

Some of you guys have rigs that I would love to hear. A tour would be nice. good people can and do disagree, no harm no foul.

 

[Mikado463]

Guys look, if I deconstruct an argument you make that’s really my intent. Nothing more. sometimes I think the point is missed, and the more times these arguments go forth unchallenged people may take them as truth.

Mikado463, it’s an argument, not a fight. We aren’t going to solve anything here, we vent, try to get and give a little understanding. We all may be feeling different parts of the same elephant, but I know what my hands smell like. If it feels personal, my most humble apology.

no harm , no foul, no apology needed. We're all a little off center right now with the COVID crap, civil unrest. While I do believe in time COVID will go away and I can only hope and pray we take the constructive high road to progressive change that the peaceful protests have demonstrated.

Happy Fathers Day weekend if it so applies ! ....... too all !

 

[Danzilla31]

Some of you guys have rigs that I would love to hear. A tour would be nice. good people can and do disagree, no harm no foul.

Once this COVID crap calms down you can count on that tour I want to show you what an entire JBL studio 5 setup in a theater room with 3 590's in the front sounds like

You and me have a love for them JBL's

 

[panteragstk]

Once this COVID crap calms down you can count on that tour I want to show you what an entire JBL studio 5 setup in a theater room with 3 590's in the front sounds like

You and me have a love for them JBL's

Yessir. A tour or get together would be a great time after all this is finally over...ish.

 

[Old Onkyo]

Yep. That's what happened in New York Park. That lady was wielding the term 'African American' like it was baseball bat. There is also a socioeconomic component to this.

I think the foundations of policing need to change:

1. No war on drugs
2. No asset forfeiture with out criminal conviction
3. No more militarization of police
4. No more pre-textual stops like you don't have a reflector on your bicycle or a citizen dared to meet your gaze as they drive by
5. No more stop and frisk policies
6. Body cams period. And if you don't have that rolling and it becomes he said, she said, then the cops are poop out of luck. They don't get the benefit of the doubt.

I couldn’t agree more. In addition prosecutors, judges, or anyone that knowingly participates in framing a suspect should face prison time.

the bail/ plea bargain system Needs reform.

 

[Gmoney]

All this going on I guess a lot of people are just

no matter what they do they will always be

 

[jinjuku]

I couldn’t agree more. In addition prosecutors, judges, or anyone that knowingly participates in framing a suspect should face prison time.

the bail/ plea bargain system Needs reform.

I've heard this directly from a public defender: Misdemeanor plea is the new innocent.

 

[highfigh]

I've heard this directly from a public defender: Misdemeanor plea is the new innocent.

Where?

Don't need to remind me that I don't want to live where this happens.

 

[Gmoney]

Yep. That's what happened in New York Park. That lady was wielding the term 'African American' like it was baseball bat. There is also a socioeconomic component to this.

I think the foundations of policing need to change:

1. No war on drugs
2. No asset forfeiture with out criminal conviction
3. No more militarization of police
4. No more pre-textual stops like you don't have a reflector on your bicycle or a citizen dared to meet your gaze as they drive by
5. No more stop and frisk policies
6. Body cams period. And if you don't have that rolling and it becomes he said, she said, then the cops are poop out of luck. They don't get the benefit of the doubt.

I'd go lil Further change the laws for probable cause
Your on the road, You get pulled over cause you have one taillight bulb out one out of 6! Cop pulls you over says you gotta taillight out he looks in your car sees what ever a Empty wine bottle you forgot to throw out a week ago after you've been drinking see where I'm going with this. He asks for your Consent to search your vehicle you tell him No. Cop goes Since I had probable cause to pull you over I can get the drug dog over here to sniff your car all Cop has to says is drug Sniffing dog got a hit they proceed to rip your vehicle part they come up with nothing. But a few empty booze bottles gives you a sobriety test you catch a DWI charge because you can't walk a straight line even if you were sober.

 

[jinjuku]

Where?

Don't need to remind me that I don't want to live where this happens.

Right here in Louisville. You don't want a Public Defender... Justice may be blind but she can tell by weight how much money you put on the scale.

 

[Gmoney]

Right here in Louisville. You don't want a Public Defender... Justice may be blind but she can tell by weight how much money you put on the scale.

That one statement you just posted up is the reason of all of what's going on Now in this Country. The powers be are the one's who make and break the Written laws on the books now. They hide behind their morals and Convict those who oppose. Only when what ever God is Chosen to justify their Cause.