Another fine example that embodies everything that's wrong with this country

[MatthewB.]

Nemo, I am not against immigration at all, but feel it needs to be regulated. We set up a work exchange program where they send people here to work two years at a time to do agriculture, are taxed have healthcare benefits and have to leglaly get a license and insurance. Even if government funded to help reduce the rates. because as it stands right now. The illegals are shutting down hospitals (I know from personal experience working in healthcare), they are having accidents and just running from the scene so the victim now has to pay higher premiums and because the illegals use all our resources without paying taxes, they are bleeding this country dry.
America is already in enough finicial ruin without immigrants being a hinderance to our already fragile economy. I also say legalize certain drugs and tax that also, this would generate a huge winfall towards increased revenue, release inmates in prison for having a dime bag (saving taxpayers) and the gov can regulate it. But what do i know, I'm just Joe Taxpayer.

 

[rush29]

So bed bugs only exist in countries outside of the US... I'm not even going to begin on this one. =)

Where did you read in this post that bed bugs only exist in countries outside the US? If you took the time to read it, I posted that the bed bug was essentially eradicated from the US and now they're being brought back by immigrants from third world countries. Maybe that's not PC, but it is what it is. Checkout this article which states one of the reasons for the resurgence is immigration. http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2006/10/061019-bedbugs.html

 

[Nemo128]

Where do you get off going on a rant toward a new member? I've sent a pm to Rush29, and he further explained that he and others are 'un-paid' volunteers at this charitable group home.
He further stated that because of the bed bug problem all of the furnishings had to be destroyed and replaced, on top of the costly extermination. Because of this problem, the organization is virtually out of funds.

One line of text is a rant? I better be careful, this one might be called a rant too! However, feel free to call the next couple a rant.

FYI, the origin of bedbugs on this soil, period, can be and has been traced back to the European arrival before this country was even founded. The existence of bedbugs throughout North America has also been traced back to that same influx by Europeans. Last time I checked, England and France were not "third-world countries", neither in those time nor in the present day.

My assertion had nothing to do with his charitable organization or his involvement with it. It's with the fire of paranoia fueled by xenophobia that many people play into.

All three have stated the same thing; at one time the bed bug was essentially eradicated from the US, but with the huge influx of illegal immigrants from third world countries, it has been brought back with a vengence. And these pesky critters are almost impossible to get rid of.

Reading comprehension also enbodies taking what you read at face value and not asserting your own interpretation of it. You clearly state, and I quote, "All three have stated the same thing; at one time the bed bug was essentially eradicated from the US, but with the huge influx of illegal immigrants from third world countries..." You cite no other reasons. At face value, you point to the cause of a problem as a single source when it's a well-documented and researched fact that it does not have a sole source.

Sorry if you take offense to my analysis of your own exact and specific words. It has nothing to do with being politically correct. I guess I should have said "bed bugs only exist in third-world countries", because that's a more direct response to what you stated.

 

[Rickster71]

One line of text is a rant?

No, your three posts in a row were. 116, 117, 118.

FYI, the origin of bedbugs on this soil, period, can be and has been traced back to the European arrival before this country was even founded. Last time I checked, England and France were not "third-world countries",

Huh?
Rush29's bud bug post was about the Here, and the Now; and about the third world countries bed bugs come from Now.
How is the origin of bed bugs prior to 1700's have to do with Rush29's charity being out thousands of $$ in the present day?

My assertion had nothing to do with his charitable organization or his involvement with it. It's with the fire of paranoia fueled by xenophobia that many people play into.

That's just it.
You did not take into account the good this charity does. Along with the fact he is on the front lines, and volunteering in this situation. And you are not.

Though you did assume, he and others are paranoid and xenophobes.

 

[Rickster71]

If only the Native Americans had thought of that before Europeans came here...

That's right!
See what happens when you don't control immigration.

 

[Nemo128]

You did not take into account the good this charity does. Along with the fact he is on the front lines, and volunteering in this situation. And you are not.

Another nice baseless (and incorrect) assumption. You're on a roll, you should go for the trifecta.

Anyway, back to the orignal topic of the thread. That land owner is well within his right to defend his home, his property, and his life. Being able to even argue human rights violations in this case is proof of the litigious beast this country has given birth to.

They should be glad he didn't shoot first and ask questions later. Yes, he may have gone to jail for doing that, but it wouldn't change the fact that they'd be injured or worse.

 

[jonnythan]

Nemo, is it your contention that an illegal immigrant passing through someone's large-acre ranch on the way in has no human rights?

 

[Alex2507]

Then who should "reimburse" him for the damages and robbery? The state?

And what do previous break-ins and damage by other people have to do with this particular case? Does a robbery by some illegal immigrant a month ago justify illegal actions taken on a different, unrelated illegal immigrant?

Nemo, is it your contention that an illegal immigrant passing through someone's large-acre ranch on the way in has no human rights?

As it stands now nobody is reimbursing the rancher for nothing. Hell, he had to pay out some serious coin. Your questions don't point to a solution for the rancher. If the state was paying to enforce the states own laws this guy wouldn't be in this pickle. Even though I am all for getting the hell out of where you are if it's hopeless, I also think this guy should be able to open up a shooting gallery on his own land. The illegals should be chained to the lawyers that want to defend them and set loose 3 legged race style. The illegals could wear body armor but the lawyers would have to be naked.

What?

That's right!
See what happens when you don't control immigration.

Hind sight is 20/20. So you respect the illegals as you do your own forefathers?

 

[Nemo128]

Nemo, is it your contention that an illegal immigrant passing through someone's large-acre ranch on the way in has no human rights?

It's only my contention that they're hiding behind the law, and if they have the right to pursue legal action for what he did against them, this country has the right to pursue legal action against them for trying to gain entry through illegal means. Again, dead men can't sue, so they should count their blessings.

Sure, they can sue, but they should face legal action for violating our border laws. Rights go both ways.

Personally I have no issue whatsoever with migrant laborers, and many of them don't stir up these kinds of issues. It's the ones that do who cast them all in a bad light with some people, just like religious extremists can cast a nagative light on peaceful followers of their religions or acts of public violence in urban minority areas can cause nagative views of all urban minorities.

 

[jonnythan]

Sure, they can sue, but they should face legal action for violating our border laws. Rights go both ways.

Presumably they are. At least, they should be/should have been.

 

[Rickster71]

So you respect the illegals as you do your own forefathers?

Hey my friend, what's up?
There's a bit of a difference, illegal aliens are just that, illegal.
My great grand parents came here legally. Back when the only thing they got for free was Opportunity.
There was no unemployment monies, no Social Security, no free lunch.
So, to answer your question, I respect my forefathers much more.
(how did you know I had four fathers?)

Today many come here illegally, and get many things for free. Free charity care in hospitals, food stamps, pre-natal care, nutrition programs, housing assistance, energy assistance, job training programs, child care services, free or reduced school lunch, public shelters, health clinics, Medicaid, and welfare programs.
Some tax payers that already do a lot for their towns, feel like real suckers.

 

[Alex2507]

(how did you know I had four fathers?)

HAAAA!!!!!! Hilarious!

You know what I mean and don't go getting all defensive about how your four fathers didn't kill any Indians or have any slaves. Our culture is the product of a culture that did those things. I just talked to my father and he mentioned that I should become a US citizen. I never gave it much thought before but I'm going to do it so that I can say that this is my country and I'll be able to sing:

This land is my land
It's not your land
If you don't get off
I'll blow your head off

Sing it with me ...

 

[jinjuku]

Here's another dandy example

Jim Moffett is a Denver bus driver that was struck by a vehicle as he was escorting some little old ladies across the road in a light snow storm when they got off the bus.

He saw the truck coming and shoved them out of the way. He was in the hospital with critical injuries including blood on the brain, only to regain conciseness(sp?) and find a jay walking ticket issued to him.

Link to the article in USAToday.

Phone # to Ryan Sullivan of the Colorado State Highway: 303-239-4583. Make sure and leave this mouthpiece for LEO's a piece of your mind.

 

[Adam]

Hey, Alex. Get out.

J/K!

 

[jonnythan]

Jim Moffett is a Denver bus driver that was struck by a vehicle as he was escorting some little old ladies across the road in a light snow storm when they got off the bus.

He saw the truck coming and shoved them out of the way. He was in the hospital with critical injuries including blood on the brain, only to regain conciseness(sp?) and find a jay walking ticket issued to him.

Link to the article in USAToday.

Phone # to Ryan Sullivan of the Colorado State Highway: 303-239-4583. Make sure and leave this mouthpiece for LEO's a piece of your mind.

I just had this discussion on another forum.

The bus driver stopped his bus and "helped" two old ladies cross a busy road.

Here's what someone else said:

"The bus driver assisted and encouraged these women to cross the road illegally, and in unusually poor visibility conditions. This sounds like the height of irresponsibility to me. And why is jay walking illegal? Because you can get plowed down by a freakin' truck, people! Duh! Use the cross walk!"

The fact is that this idiot bus driver absolutely contributed to the accident. If I ran a red light and smashed into a truck, I wouldn't get off the hook just because I managed to get myself busted up in the process.

 

[jinjuku]

I just had this discussion on another forum.

The bus driver stopped his bus and "helped" two old ladies cross a busy road.

Here's what someone else said:

"The bus driver assisted and encouraged these women to cross the road illegally, and in unusually poor visibility conditions. This sounds like the height of irresponsibility to me. And why is jay walking illegal? Because you can get plowed down by a freakin' truck, people! Duh! Use the cross walk!"

The fact is that this idiot bus driver absolutely contributed to the accident. If I ran a red light and smashed into a truck, I wouldn't get off the hook just because I managed to get myself busted up in the process.

I have ridden the bus before, they don't always make stops at the nearest handy sanctioned cross walk.

Trust me, I thought about that. Bus stops are put up all over the place. If you would like I can post a few pictures

 

[jonnythan]

I have ridden the bus before, they don't always make stops at the nearest handy sanctioned cross walk.

Trust me, I thought about that. Bus stops are put up all over the place. If you would like I can post a few pictures

Yes, bus stops are put all over the place, even in the middle of busy highways. There are some bus stops in my area on the sides of divided highways.

That doesn't mean it's smart or legal to cross the road anywhere there's a bus stop. In fact, crossing the road at many of them in a snowstorm when there's traffic is braindead stupid - and it's almost actively malicious for the bus driver himself to "help" some people try to cross the middle of a busy street in a snowstorm.

The bus driver should have directed and/or helped them to the nearest crosswalk or other safe place to cross. "Helping" them cross in the middle of a busy street in a snowstorm is asking for an accident. And he got one.

 

[jinjuku]

Yes, bus stops are put all over the place, even in the middle of busy highways. There are some bus stops in my area on the sides of divided highways.

That doesn't mean it's smart or legal to cross the road anywhere there's a bus stop. In fact, crossing the road at many of them in a snowstorm when there's traffic is braindead stupid - and it's almost actively malicious for the bus driver himself to "help" some people try to cross the middle of a busy street in a snowstorm.

The bus driver should have directed and/or helped them to the nearest crosswalk or other safe place to cross. "Helping" them cross in the middle of a busy street in a snowstorm is asking for an accident. And he got one.

All I know is this: When driving and there is a city or university bus pulled over ahead of me I have a larger burden of care to make sure that I don't run some one over.

It the Weather conditions are such that I can't see clearly then my burden increases. I counter that increase by slowing down.

 

[jonnythan]

It the Weather conditions are such that I can't see clearly then my burden increases. I counter that increase by slowing down.

Indeed, most people do. I certainly do. I'm not sure the truck driver did, which is probably why he got cited as well.

But I'm also not dumb enough to try to cross the middle of a busy highway in a snowstorm without realizing it's quite dangerous and may cause an accident.

 

[jinjuku]

Indeed, most people do. I certainly do. I'm not sure the truck driver did, which is probably why he got cited as well.

But I'm also not dumb enough to try to cross the middle of a busy highway in a snowstorm without realizing it's quite dangerous and may cause an accident.

Were they trying to cross a highway?