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lovinthehd

lovinthehd

Audioholic Jedi
The Republicans endorse? You are familiar with sir Bernie Sanders right?
Left vs right is one side vs the other...again I'm not stuck on the right or the left...
Pussy blowing bubbles, makes me laugh, you really are that hell bent over trump. I wouldn't lose as much sleep as you if clinton was elected, I would however pull all my funds from the market and watch it burn. Get over yourself and do something productive. Unless its trolling the web for your own personal gains...no one cares...
Have no idea what your connection with republicans' socialism has to do with Sanders. Odd synapses firing? The drumpf is an asshole, has been his whole life. If that's the kind of guy you look up to to simply increase your wealth, well that's just sad. I've been productive my whole life, but am retired now. Your opinions don't mean much to me either.
 
lovinthehd

lovinthehd

Audioholic Jedi
I didn’t know you were a standup comedian, is that one of the new Seinfeld jokes?
Melania at least doesn't seem to support her husband's crap....and she shoulda killed the mofo for cheating on her but then she sold herself out simply marrying the POS.
 
haraldo

haraldo

Audioholic Spartan
Melania at least doesn't seem to support her husband's crap....and she shoulda killed the mofo for cheating on her but then she sold herself out simply marrying the POS.
Guess money talks ....
 
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pewternhrata

Audioholic Chief
Have no idea what your connection with republicans' socialism has to do with Sanders. Odd synapses firing? The drumpf is an asshole, has been his whole life. If that's the kind of guy you look up to to simply increase your wealth, well that's just sad. I've been productive my whole life, but am retired now. Your opinions don't mean much to me either.
He has nothing to do with the reps.
Your characterization of democratic socialism is a bit strange, considering the amount of socialism the repubs endorse. Check out Bernie.
Who said I look up to him? Increase my wealth, well no $hit I'm gonna back the sitting president even more when the markets are up.
Opinions dont mean anything unless you can back them up. You prefer to throw names out, cool. You've spent more time name calling, maybe if you could shed some insight ppl might respect your opinions a lil more.
 
haraldo

haraldo

Audioholic Spartan
I am no expert on this but I honestly believe the biggest threat to the world now is neither Putin nor Kim Jong-un but Trump, is he really driving US towards the level of a police state with no justice and anyone considered friends of president is above the law .....

How else is this to be explained?
https://variety.com/2018/politics/news/amy-schumer-detained-kavanaugh-protest-1202969286/

Why would there be experts in US that compare the strategies and directions of Trump with that of Hitler, and find more than a handful similarities.... This is by no means my words; again I am no expert but the fact that there are society experts that see these signs, is by itself extremely scary to me
 
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Johnny2Bad

Johnny2Bad

Audioholic Chief
I'm not arguing about the effect, I disagree with the implied intent in your comment. The problem is that governments use tariffs, other penalties and import duties as a cash grab that doesn't help anything but the government's coffers.

If a company's costs increase, why would they hold steady on their prices? That's bad management. Unfortunately people don't have the luxury of demanding higher wages when some group of pinheads in Washington DC decide to screw them by increasing or adding taxes, decreasing Social Security benefits, delaying increases or taking care of US veterans. They give handouts to people who aren't even supposed to be here and never asked for asylum- the whole illegal immigration issue is so convoluted it's ridiculous. Some want to give non-citizens the right to vote- what does that tell you about where the US is headed?

WRT health insurance, outside of the actual ACA as written, it's the insurance companies that are causing the cost to increase. If they were completely out of the picture, all of the money they take as revenue would have been used for health care. It's the insurers who deny coverage, not hospitals and doctors. It's the insurers who are betting that we won't have a claim and they stack the deck against us by raising our premium after we have a claim. They have a good or great year, they hand out huge bonuses & build new headquarters; when they have a bad year, they raise everyone's premiums. The big medical care providers built hospitals and people who couldn't pay went to the ER for piddly problems, like stubbed toes, minor headaches, sprained ankles- that's what I saw when I was there, although I admit that if I had known what they would do for me, I would have gone to the clinic not far from home, as those people should. Minor care doesn't require hospital care- that should be handled by a clinic. I know I have drifted from the original topic, but this country is as screwed up as I have seen it and I'm approaching retirement age.
I think you are trying to drag me into the political aspect of US healthcare. Really, it's not my politics that matter, but I can offer my observation.

I worked in America during the first Health Care attempt (Clintons) and had many people, after learning where I was from, accuse me of trying to export my Commie Healthcare into America. I told them then what I will tell you now ... no one in the US ever proposed a Canada-style Health Care system as it actually exists, despite often referring to it as such, and I personally don't care which Public Health Care system you use as a model ... try Japan's, or Hong Kong's, or Israel's, or South Africa's if you want. There are nearly 200 examples to choose from.

America, if it has the political will, can do anything it wants. But there is no political will to significantly change US Health Care. By "Political Will" I'm referring to a national consensus, such as one that existed in the race to the moon. Broad public support, and bicameral support.

Without the support of the Insurance Industry, there is no hope of any form of Health Care reform in America, so the fact that the Industry "liked" ObamaCare is a given; if they didn't, it wouldn't have made it past the first mumbles (see "Clinton Health Care" attempt of the 90's).

A properly working public Health Care system requires constant attention to monitor and improve it. Where such programs fail is when the monitoring and adjustment fails. A public system must be nimble and be willing to change to improve on a more-or-less-permanent basis. Without that, it will fail.

There is no lack of news articles critical of any working Public System. Where the mistake is made is when this is held up as an example of it's failure. It's an example of it's success, or more precisely, an example of the process ... the kind of scrutiny necessary in order to direct the constant tweaking and improvement necessary in a working system. Without it, the system will fail.

If you read that carefully, you will realize that under no circumstances could a US Public System actually work beyond possibly State-wide only. A Federal System will be under constant pressure by whichever party doesn't support it, and the necessary nimble structure will be used to dismantle it by proxy. Doomed to failure.

So really whether ObamaCare lives or dies is irrelevant, as whatever system exists needs the Insurance Industry support, and since that kills the major cost savings of a Public System, you're done before you begin. You won't ever really have a Public Health Care system.
 
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Johnny2Bad

Johnny2Bad

Audioholic Chief
Somewhat ironically, the reason I haven't been seen here for a week is because I spent the last week in hospital. Ambulance, four days in the ICU, two days in General Medicine, and they wanted me to stay at least 10 more days, and possibly longer, but I checked myself out by signing a waiver of liability conceding I was leaving against medical advice. I felt (and still feel) I could recover just as well at home, so didn't stay in care. But, that was $50,000 worth of hospital beds, plus specific care applied, over a bout of pneumonia. It can happen anytime to anyone.
 
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Drunkpenguin

Audioholic Chief
Somewhat ironically, the reason I haven't been seen here for a week is because I spent the last week in hospital. Ambulance, four days in the ICU, two days in General Medicine, and they wanted me to stay at least 10 more days, and possibly longer, but I checked myself out by signing a waiver of liability conceding I was leaving against medical advice. I felt (and still feel) I could recover just as well at home, so didn't stay in care. But, that was $50,000 worth of hospital beds, plus specific care applied, over a bout of pneumonia. It can happen anytime to anyone.
50 grand for 4 days. Hospitals are the real problem in this country. Glad your feeling better.
 
Johnny2Bad

Johnny2Bad

Audioholic Chief
50 grand for 4 days. Hospitals are the real problem in this country. Glad your feeling better.
Six days.

ICU beds are a bit more than $10,000 per day. That pays for your private room, two nurses (you are their only patient) 24/7 plus much more intense monitoring and very fast response should something "happen". General Medicine is about $2200 per day.

Ambulance is capped at $250 in my province, and normally would be a cost billed to the patient, but my plan includes it because I am declared disabled.
 
highfigh

highfigh

Seriously, I have no life.
I worked in America during the first Health Care attempt (Clintons) and had many people, after learning where I was from, accuse me of trying to export my Commie Healthcare into America. I told them then what I will tell you now ... no one in the US ever proposed a Canada-style Health Care system as it actually exists, despite often referring to it as such, and I personally don't care which Public Health Care system you use as a model ... try Japan's, or Hong Kong's, or Israel's, or South Africa's if you want. There are nearly 200 examples to choose from.

America, if it has the political will, can do anything it wants. But there is no political will to significantly change US Health Care. By "Political Will" I'm referring to a national consensus, such as one that existed in the race to the moon. Broad public support, and bicameral support.

Without the support of the Insurance Industry, there is no hope of any form of Health Care reform in America, so the fact that the Industry "liked" ObamaCare is a given; if they didn't, it wouldn't have made it past the first mumbles (see "Clinton Health Care" attempt of the 90's).

A properly working public Health Care system requires constant attention to monitor and improve it. Where such programs fail is when the monitoring and adjustment fails. A public system must be nimble and be willing to change to improve on a more-or-less-permanent basis. Without that, it will fail.

There is no lack of news articles critical of any working Public System. Where the mistake is made is when this is held up as an example of it's failure. It's an example of it's success, or more precisely, an example of the process ... the kind of scrutiny necessary in order to direct the constant tweaking and improvement necessary in a working system. Without it, the system will fail.

If you read that carefully, you will realize that under no circumstances could a US Public System actually work beyond possibly State-wide only. A Federal System will be under constant pressure by whichever party doesn't support it, and the necessary nimble structure will be used to dismantle it by proxy. Doomed to failure.

So really whether ObamaCare lives or dies is irrelevant, as whatever system exists needs the Insurance Industry support, and since that kills the major cost savings of a Public System, you're done before you begin. You won't ever really have a Public Health Care system.
Good luck with your recovery.

I'm not trying to get into a political debate about health care because the problem isn't about health care- we don't have a problem with facilities and people being unable to perform the care, my problem is that the insurance industry has made itself the stumbling block to getting that care without having to pay so much it causes people to go bankrupt and because THEY'RE the ones who deny treatment when they see it as a threat to the massive amount of money they take in.

The problem with killing the "health care" insurance industry is that it would put so many people out of work.

Maybe we could implement a system where the total cost of medical care is calculated (based on the average for previous years),a single payer system is created that collects from people and guidelines are set for the cases where it would be considered "too experimental", a slush fund is created from any previous excesses. The admin costs would have to be estimated as well, obviously, but it would eliminate the insurance company's practice of collecting premiums, offering care providers a far lower payment than they request and then hoarding the difference.

It's a difficult problem when the country has 325 million people and rising population. It would also be easier if people weren't so effing greedy. None of the countries you mentioned have such a large population and most have better education systems. The attitudes of the people are different, too- that alone, makes a huge difference in how any programs succeed or fail.

I find it odd that the US gives free health care to the >2.2 million inmates in our prisons but the rest have to pay for it. The numbers vary, depending on the source, but this link shows that 32% of Federal inmates are here illegally or foreign-born (https://cis.org/Huennekens/32-Federal-Inmates-Are-Aliens) and in California, Texas and Florida, the total inmate population is around 571K.

This link shows total state population, estimated # of illegals, % of illegals WRT the state's population and % of illegals in prisons- http://www.fairus.org/issue/societal-impact/criminal-aliens

Look at California, specifically- that state has higher population than ALL of Canada- how would Canada deal with the cost of the prison population, crime, illegal immigration, insurance and infrastructure?
 
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highfigh

highfigh

Seriously, I have no life.
ICU beds are a bit more than $10,000 per day. That pays for your private room, two nurses (you are their only patient) 24/7 plus much more intense monitoring and very fast response should something "happen". General Medicine is about $2200 per day.

Ambulance is capped at $250 in my province, and normally would be a cost billed to the patient, but my plan includes it.
Where are you located (general area)- Canada?
 
Johnny2Bad

Johnny2Bad

Audioholic Chief
Where are you located (general area)- Canada?
I live in the province that started medicare in Canada with free care for Cancer Patients in 1952, and full coverage beginning in 1964.

I said earlier that I have never seen Canada-style health care ever proposed for the US, and here is one reason why. Each Province has complete control over it's health care system and coverage. So, had the same system been proposed for the US, that would mean each State could opt in or out of medicare and if it opted in, to determine exactly what was and was not covered.

As it currently exists in Canada, if a province agrees to the Federal Medicare rules, they get about 15% of their health care costs covered by the Federal government. The Medicare rules are pretty simple ... practitioners either accept medicare patients or they bill patients directly, but they must choose one or the other. It is a myth that there is no private health care in Canada, or that it's prohibited. Neither is the case.

As it turns out I have the best, most comprehensive provincial system in Canada. Every other province is more expensive (many require individuals pay an insurance fee, for example, to obtain coverage) and generally would have more limits on coverage (higher ambulance costs, for example).

Here in Saskatchewan, if you are admitted to hospital and are covered under the provincial system (basically, have lived here for 90 days or more) your only cost out-of-pocket would be parking.

Because I'm legally disabled, and again this is provincial coverage, and varies, but in my case outside hospital I am covered for ground and air ambulance, most drugs, all diabetic supplies, eye care, dental care.

An "ordinary citizen" would have air and ground ambulance capped, diabetic supplies covered, and a pro-rated drug coverage that limits your out-of-pocket costs but for one or two prescriptions a year you would be paying the full amount, probably. Seniors have slightly better drug coverage.
 
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highfigh

highfigh

Seriously, I have no life.
As it currently exists in Canada, if a province agrees to the Federal Medicare rules, they get about 15% of their health care costs covered by the Federal government. The Medicare rules are pretty simple ... practitioners either accept medicare patients or they bill patients directly, but they must choose one or the other. It is a myth that there is no private health care in Canada, or that it's prohibited. Neither is the case.

As it turns out I have the best, most comprehensive provincial system in Canada. Every other province is more expensive (many require individuals pay an insurance fee, for example, to obtain coverage) and generally would have more limits on coverage (higher ambulance costs, for example).

Here in Saskatchewan, if you are admitted to hospital and are covered under the provincial system (basically, have lived here for 90 days or more) your only cost out-of-pocket would be parking.
It's a lot easier to administer governance and health care to smaller populations and fewer provinces- with 50 states and some other territories, controlling everything is like herding cats or stacking fish.
 
Johnny2Bad

Johnny2Bad

Audioholic Chief
It's a lot easier to administer governance and health care to smaller populations and fewer provinces- with 50 states and some other territories, controlling everything is like herding cats or stacking fish.
They have no problem in Ontario (14+ million). But it's easier to administer a pubic system the larger the covered population and the less remote the users. There is no need to complicate it.

And you missed my point ... each Province in Canada can offer no coverage whatsoever if they liked. As it is, they all do, but medicare is not mandatory.

So a "Canada-style medicare" would mean each State could do the same, and I suspect many States would be just fine with saying no to any coverage and be happy with it. That was never offered as an option to US voters.

In any case, this thread I think has run it's course. I'm not interested in joining any political debates, especially when I have no dog in the fight. It's your country, run it well and good luck.
 
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TLS Guy

TLS Guy

Seriously, I have no life.
I am no expert on this but I honestly believe the biggest threat to the world now is neither Putin nor Kim Jong-un but Trump, is he really driving US towards the level of a police state with no justice and anyone considered friends of president is above the law .....

How else is this to be explained?
https://variety.com/2018/politics/news/amy-schumer-detained-kavanaugh-protest-1202969286/

Why would there be experts in US that compare the strategies and directions of Trump with that of Hitler, and find more than a handful similarities.... This is by no means my words; again I am no expert but the fact that there are society experts that see these signs, is by itself extremely scary to me
Well Heraldo, the US is in no danger of heading into a Nazi abyss. There are deep layers of anglosaxon tolerance humor and sense of the ridiculous to keep the sinister teutonic influences at bay. Yes, the left are in over drive hyperbole. However between the bazaar antics, spoutings, Tweets of the POTUS and the foaming left, there is a belly laugh a minute by every evening. The country is fine, and the sensible just sit back and enjoy the entertainment.
 
highfigh

highfigh

Seriously, I have no life.
They have no problem in Ontario (14+ million). But it's easier to administer a pubic system the larger the covered population and the less remote the users. There is no need to complicate it.

And you missed my point ... each Province in Canada can offer no coverage whatsoever if they liked. As it is, they all do, but medicare is not mandatory.

So a "Canada-style medicare" would mean each State could do the same, and I suspect many States would be just fine with saying no to any coverage and be happy with it. That was never offered as an option to US voters.

In any case, this thread I think has run it's course. I'm not interested in joining any political debates, especially when I have no dog in the fight. It's your country, run it well and good luck.
If each has its own system, what happens if someone form one province needs care in another? Does the one providing care bill the one where the patient resides?
 
haraldo

haraldo

Audioholic Spartan
Well Heraldo, the US is in no danger of heading into a Nazi abyss. There are deep layers of anglosaxon tolerance humor and sense of the ridiculous to keep the sinister teutonic influences at bay. Yes, the left are in over drive hyperbole. However between the bazaar antics, spoutings, Tweets of the POTUS and the foaming left, there is a belly laugh a minute by every evening. The country is fine, and the sensible just sit back and enjoy the entertainment.
I know.... there is just one incredibly stupid horrible guy, and unfortunately he is on top of the pyramid..... but he is creating all this havoc with his upper stupidity
 

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