5g

[TLS Guy]

Thanks Darenwh who said anything about gullibility other than you? Why do people like you like to try to insult other people's legitimate questions? You have your own theorys, other people have theirs. Like all the sad truths out there, there is one famous quote that comes to mind, above all others, "FOLLOW THE MONEY!" I retired from very well known university, and funny enough, a majority of the research was funded by mag or corporations. And guess what? If they don't want certain facts to surface, they bury or alter the papers until they are satisfied, the prof gets their grant money, and lo and behold, Joe public gets it again. Please do your research, and stop criticizing other people's questions. I am currently doing my own research on this topic. I thank you for your opinion though.

On what basis to you have to claim you can form a legitimate theory? If you had, had proper schooling in the physics, and properties of the continuous spectrum of electromagnetic radiation you would not be giving oxygen to half baked nonsense.

I come down hard on you with good reason. I have just had to devote time to dealing with nonsense about a 5G tower about to go up in Eagan, which we badly need. There are ignorant people on the neighborhood association causing trouble. They are stirring up trouble for local council. Just a huge time waste.

There is no end to nonsense. In the UK lunatics are destroying 5K towers on the grounds they spread corona virus! There is no limit to the trouble the ignorant can create.

Instead of wasting time may be you should read the physics texts that you should have done in high school.

I'm sorry, but this sort of nonsense makes me angry. Its a time waster and cases trouble for people who have better things to do.

 

[Brian H.]

So, anyone with a different opinion other than yours, must be wrong? Or better yet, ignorant troublemakers? Wow, I can understand why you have trouble in your neighborhood. Perhaps you should open up to the fact that others have a different opinion than yours. I am not saying that those "ignorant troublemakers" are right, but why not listen with a more objective mind, do enough research that satisfies you, then formulate your opinion. Name calling those who do not share your opinions does not in any way validate your opinions. If all of this makes you angry, then maybe you need the blue pill instead of the red one? Let's go back to square one for just one moment, then you can continue on your same path ok? My original question was Is there a safer way other than 5g? Ps, it matters not to me how self qualified one thinks they are, I am not looking for white papers on this, just people's opinions.Personally, I care not what anyone thinks of me, I'm way past that sort of stuff. I would like to hear from both sides, then I will make up my own mind on how I will handle the 5g network.

 

[mtrycrafts]

So, anyone with a different opinion other than yours, must be wrong? Or better yet, ignorant troublemakers? Wow, I can understand why you have trouble in your neighborhood. Perhaps you should open up to the fact that others have a different opinion than yours. I am not saying that those "ignorant troublemakers" are right, but why not listen with a more objective mind, do enough research that satisfies you, then formulate your opinion. Name calling those who do not share your opinions does not in any way validate your opinions. If all of this makes you angry, then maybe you need the blue pill instead of the red one? Let's go back to square one for just one moment, then you can continue on your same path ok? My original question was Is there a safer way other than 5g? Ps, it matters not to me how self qualified one thinks they are, I am not looking for white papers on this, just people's opinions.Personally, I care not what anyone thinks of me, I'm way past that sort of stuff. I would like to hear from both sides, then I will make up my own mind on how I will handle the 5g network.

Opinions like the saying goes, everyone has one.
Opinions are not facts, necessarily. And, I am sure TLS knows about opinions and that is all they still are.
Facts, on the other hand are not opinions. I am sure TLS has research as much as available on this subject and knows the available facts. If he has facts, he doesn't need an opinion, right?

Why are you looking for opinions instead of facts? Everyone has an opinion. Which one are you looking for? What is your opinion on this matter might be a better question?


As to safer way? Or, 4G, no difference. It is safe. Or, stay with hard wired communications.

 

[Brian H.]

Than you for your opinion. So far, my opinion is that it has not been around long enough for me to formulate one yet Ergo, I appreciate all opinions and facts on the matter. Think of this, a fact is really a collaborative blending of individual opinions, justified by an agreed upon method of proving such. At one time, it was a fact that the earth was flat. Boy, did they ever get that one wrong! I personally can read more into people's opinions, than I do when they start quoting "facts". I discovered this little gem a long time ago. But hey, what the heck, let's make it all facts. Fact, no matter how a person asks a question, there will always be those who will misread it no? In the very end, it is your own opinion on what or who you yourself believes in. Whether or not other people agree or don't agree with you.

 

[TLS Guy]

Both your posts illustrate precisely how you become a "professional nuisance." You can only have a useful debate with someone who understands the issues involved. In this case in order to hold any opinion useful to yourself or anyone else, an understanding of exactly what constitutes an electromagnetic wave and the properties of the various wavelengths is an essential prerequisite. Otherwise you become what G.K. Chesterton said; you "become one of those who will come to believe anything." That was one of his great prophecies from around 1900. He said in his book "Orthodoxy" that a time wold come when people wold come to believe anything. That time has come. It is incredible how accurately he forecast so many ills of the modern age.

 

[JerryLove]

Think of this, a fact is really a collaborative blending of individual opinions, justified by an agreed upon method of proving such. At one time, it was a fact that the earth was flat. Boy, did they ever get that one wrong!

A fact is a statement of objective reality.
An opinion is a statement of subjective preference.

"The Earth is flat" is a fact, but a false one.

Often, when people say "fact" they mean "true fact"... which is similar to "proven fact".

 

[Darenwh]

Fact: There are many people out there who are more likely to believe a person who state their opinion on a subject even though they have no true knowledge of the subject than to believe scientist who have studied the subject for years. There are some people who, because they do not understand science, are very weary to believe in science or what scientist know to be true.
Fact: There are people out there who will take advantage of those people by stating beliefs or even stuff they do not believe themselves in order to either create chaos or to sell to these people products that are at best useless but benign products and at worst dangerous products.
Fact: Wifi routers use Microwaves just as a Microwave Oven does. The difference is the MW oven can concentrate the MW radiation at 1200 Watts of energy or more. This is enough to excite water molecules in the food placed in the MW Oven to cause the water to heat up cooking the food. A WiFi router produces only 1/10,000th the wattage of a MW Oven and as such does not produce enough energy to excite water enough to cause any warming.
Fact: Microwaves used in telecommunications also use very little power to transmit causing little to no impact on life in the path of the Microwave radio. A transmitter for a MW Radio link uses only around 30 dBm of power, about a third of a watt. To equal a Microwave Oven it would have to transmit at about 3000x times as much power. Very high power levels are not needed for telecommunications links.
Fact: The dangerous parts of the electromagnetic spectrum are the extremely short frequencies such as Gamma Rays, X-Rays, both of which can cause cellular mutations, and Ultraviolet which can cause Skin Cancer. Longer wavelengths, such as Visible Light (No danger from normal exposure levels), Infra-Red (Sunburn from normal exposure), Microwaves (none under normal exposure levels associated with communications equipment), and TV/Radio Waves (no dangers at normal exposure levels) are relatively benign except when exposure levels are very high.

 

[NINaudio]

The problem is that an opinion based on no hard evidence is pretty much useless speculation (it is not a theory).

Opinion: 5G towers are dangerous and bad for you, they emit radiation.

Based on what evidence? Like TLS says, just having a basic understanding of the physics principles behind the technology goes a long way to showing that this opinion is a fallacy.

Fact: The radiation they are "emitting" is non-ionizing radiation, which is not a cause for concern.

 

[mtrycrafts]

.... At one time, it was a fact that the earth was flat. ..

A fact? Who established this ancient fact? It wasn't a fact. Perhaps it was an opinion only. And learned people of olden times believed it was in not flat.

As to 5G being new, you should check how it is different from 4G, what are the frequencies being used to communicate with cell towers. If they are the same as 4G or substantially the same, why would it have different or more dangerous side effects?
5G is a generation like a tri-band wifi router, still uses 2.4 gHz and 5 gHz transmission signals. The N protocol had the 5gHz capability as well.

 

[JerryLove]

A fact? Who established this ancient fact? It wasn't a fact. Perhaps it was an opinion only. And learned people of olden times believed it was in not flat.

I assume he was thinking prior to the 5th century BC when a globe Earth was established.

 

[mtrycrafts]

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Fact: Microwaves used in telecommunications also use very little power to transmit causing little to no impact on life in the path of the Microwave radio. A transmitter for a MW Radio link uses only around 30 dBm of power, about a third of a watt. To equal a Microwave Oven it would have to transmit at about 3000x times as much power. Very high power levels are not needed for telecommunications links.
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Don't forget, it is also well shielded against leakage.

 

[mtrycrafts]

I assume he was thinking prior to the 5th century BC when a globe Earth was established.

Could be, but then it was only a belief based in nothing.

 

[TheWarrior]

Ah the power of the internet: "let me interrupt your facts with my overwhelming confidence."

 

[Gmoney]

But, doesn't that hard wire creates its own EM field?

Overhead power lines creates its own EM field. Not an Expert on the subject.

 

[Gmoney]

A few years ago I had these ants they call them “crazy ants” a nest got into my outside electrical box they almost cause the power meter to short out. I asked a Electrician why? He told me that they are Attracted to the EM field coming from the box and meter. I have personally seen how much Damage them Crazy Ants can do. In one Trailer park they got into one of the boxes all the way up to the meter and blew the meter out. They had to cut the line to the poll wait for the city Inspector to come check everything out before the power company could put in a new meter.

 

[mtrycrafts]

A few years ago I had these ants they call them “crazy ants” a nest got into my outside electrical box they almost cause the power meter to short out. I asked a Electrician why? He told me that they are Attracted to the EM field coming from the box and meter. I have personally seen how much Damage them Crazy Ants can do. In one Trailer park they got into one of the boxes all the way up to the meter and blew the meter out. They had to cut the line to the poll wait for the city Inspector to come check everything out before the power company could put in a new meter.

That is interesting. I recently noted this but in an yard irrigation control box that may have been turned off for the rainy season. The em filed would have been miniscule.
But then one also has to think why not all the electric boxes on the outside of most houses?

 

[lovinthehd]

I have a couple wall wart tansformers in the house that I find ants on frequently....don't think they can do anything to them, tho, they're pretty well sealed....

 

[NINaudio]

Oddly enough, this very same topic came up on another forum I'm on, so I ran some numbers. At my house my cell phone gets a signal of about -105 dBm which is roughly 5 * 10^-11 mw. Three feet from my router I get a wifi signal strength of -30 dBm which is 0.001 mW of energy.

 

[mtrycrafts]

Oddly enough, this very same topic came up on another forum I'm on, so I ran some numbers. At my house my cell phone gets a signal of about -105 dBm which is roughly 5 * 10^-11 mw. Three feet from my router I get a wifi signal strength of -30 dBm which is 0.001 mW of energy.

Interesting, thanks.

 

[Gmoney]

I have a couple wall wart tansformers in the house that I find ants on frequently....don't think they can do anything to them, tho, they're pretty well sealed....

Depends, these ants are really small and I guess not in every state or, but they came up the ground wire Conduit that’s in the ground. Good thing one day I was weed eating around that area and just happen to notice a lil new dirt around the conduit so I opened up the box and a whole nest was built in the box. They where working there way up the box building around the breakers that would be like running a wire from one side to the other think a jumper. Talk about a blast uhh! They call them crazy ants cause they run around like they on drugs. lolo