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[mtrycrafts]

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But like rumors of the Loch Ness Monster, UFOs, or that Elvis Lives, these stories never seem to fade away.

They are the true immortals.

 

[lovinthehd]

Thank you, simple and to the point. That is very doable.

You couldn't figure that out for yourself?

 

[mtrycrafts]

Once again, now I am wondering what is the actual cell phone connection frequency to cell towers, not to my wi-fi router as that I can change between 2.4gHz or 5gHz.
Then, how is the info from the cell tower moves out to the world, fiber cable? Another microwave frequency transmits at higher power and yet higher frequency to a major microwave tower?

 

[JerryLove]

Hey people, this topic is gone sideways, conspiracies aside, since I can't get a response to my original question, is there a safer alternative to 5g, I'm withdrawing my question. Thank you all. Be safe and well during this global situation.

The false statement implicit in your question was that 5G was not safe.

It's like asking for a safer alternative to cotton for your shirt.

The answer to your question is "No. There is not a safer alternative to 5G."

 

[JerryLove]

Then, how is the info from the cell tower moves out to the world, fiber cable? Another microwave frequency transmits at higher power and yet higher frequency to a major microwave tower?

I believe the answer varies.

I believe that fiber is used, as are directional Microwave transmitters.

It's not necessarily higher power though.. simply more directional (I've setup microwave point-to-point between buildings before)

 

[JerryLove]

If really worried then just hardwire everything and don't use wifi/mobile devices.

Wires put out EM radiation when there's a charge running through them.

That's the basis for how a motor or generator work (heck: that's how electricity moves from the 480v line to the 240v house connection... wirelessly).

 

[mtrycrafts]

If really worried then just hardwire everything and don't use wifi/mobile devices.

But, doesn't that hard wire creates its own EM field?

 

[mtrycrafts]

I believe the answer varies.

I believe that fiber is used, as are directional Microwave transmitters.

It's not necessarily higher power though.. simply more directional (I've setup microwave point-to-point between buildings before)

Thanks. Should have spent more time communicating with Mr. Google.
But, in the heat of debate, asking was quicker.
I found a very interesting video

In it I saw that cell phones and towers has 2 frequency or three but it seems it is not 5gHz to the home MSC tower, more like 800mHz/1900mHz and another or in combo.

So, 5G, 5th generation is just improved processing wider bandwidths for really high speeds 10Gbps to transfer data, separate from actual radio frequency connection.

 

[lovinthehd]

Wires put out EM radiation when there's a charge running through them.

That's the basis for how a motor or generator work (heck: that's how electricity moves from the 480v line to the 240v house connection... wirelessly).

But, doesn't that hard wire creates its own EM field?

Just minimizing the "5G" Escaping EM altogether in the modern world is kinda hard, tho. You could always move off grid and avoid all electronics....

 

[NINaudio]

you know that putting current through your speakers also creates an EMF field, right?

 

[JerryLove]

Just minimizing the "5G" Escaping EM altogether in the modern world is kinda hard, tho. You could always move off grid and avoid all electronics....

Satellites

Perhaps if you lived underwater (but with no electrical machines)?

 

[ryanosaur]

All odf this really comes back to Post 9:

5g

Can anyone please clarify the nasties involved with this new 5g network? Is there safer alternatives? I know this may be slightly off topic, but I very much enjoy my late nite Internet radio sessions, and wondering how harmful it is. Thank you.

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People are freaking out about the 5th Gen Cellular networks. It's not in-home WiFi.

IMHO, these are also the same people that get high on Chem Trails. Some think the earth is flat. Others believe in the Deep State...

As of yet, life has not become like Johny Mnemonic:

It will be way too late to worry if it goes that route!

If you are worried about your in-home Wireless... then don't have it. No WiFi router, Mesh Network, etc. Hard-wire everything as has been mentioned before.

And continue living on Cellular Data, unless you cut that out too! But then you also need to move far enough from any Cellular Transmitters that you don't have that radiation coursing through your body.

Funny story:
The Local City Council has this woman that shows up, ALL THE TIME, wearing a tin-foil wrapped Bicycle Helmet and protesting the PG&E Smart Meters. Everybody was convinced that the EMF fields these generated were dangerous. Apparently, 90% of the people stopped caring when they realized it wasn't a thing. *shrugs

Question to our friendly OP:

What is the BASE CONCERN you have?

You have mentioned retiring from a "well known university," as if that is supposed to give you some credence for asking this question, or should protect you from some of the other comments made here. Mind, I am not trying to make fun of you, poke you, etc... But like my Wife who thinks that Covid19 is a conspiracy and that none of what we are doing really matters... ... I reiterate:

What is the base concern?

You mention "nasties" and health concerns... Please elaborate.

 

[Brian H.]

I will keep my base concern very simple for you, ryanosaur, it's me! That is my base concern.for the last time, hopefully, I do not want to stir up all this conspiracy stuff, but it keeps on going? Why? I have worked in an industrial power plant for just over 40 years, everything from high pressure boilers to electrical generators, and industrial a/c equipment. No I am not a scientist, I have not done any scientific studies. However, I do know how things work in this world. I have had fellow coworkers who have been professionally diagnosed with disorders resulting from too much exposure to electrical equipment. (Nasties). Much like our brave peacekeepers come back with pdsd, I guess that's "all in their head too?", I am wondering what the long & short term effects that this new network will cause.That's it. Real simple.

 

[JerryLove]

However, I do know how things work in this world. I have had fellow coworkers who have been professionally diagnosed with disorders resulting from too much exposure to electrical equipment.

Can you elaborate? What was the diagnosis and proximate cause?

In general terms, what you suggest is certainly possible. At sufficiently high flux levels, various bands of electromagnetic radiation have been found to cause deleterious health effects in people. ... By far the most common health hazard of radiation is sunburn, which causes over one million new skin cancers annually in United States

Much like our brave peacekeepers come back with pdsd, I guess that's "all in their head too?"

I'll resist the pun on mental illness clearly being "in the head", and ask what you think the relationship is between PTSD (caused by exposure to traumatic stress and well documented in psychiatric literature going back more than a century) is to the topic at hand.

I am wondering what the long & short term effects that this new network will cause.That's it. Real simple.

The data would indicate none at all. The flux is very low. The actually power density is very low. It's simply not in the range the causes issues (another example of EM radiation that doesn't cause issues in your everyday life is (non-ultraviolet) light).

 

[ryanosaur]

I will keep my base concern very simple for you, ryanosaur, it's me! That is my base concern.for the last time, hopefully, I do not want to stir up all this conspiracy stuff, but it keeps on going? Why? I have worked in an industrial power plant for just over 40 years, everything from high pressure boilers to electrical generators, and industrial a/c equipment. No I am not a scientist, I have not done any scientific studies. However, I do know how things work in this world. I have had fellow coworkers who have been professionally diagnosed with disorders resulting from too much exposure to electrical equipment. (Nasties). Much like our brave peacekeepers come back with pdsd, I guess that's "all in their head too?", I am wondering what the long & short term effects that this new network will cause.That's it. Real simple.

I said before, was not picking on you, and I meant it.

I happen to have had a very good friend serve in the Military Mail service during the first Iraq operation... when the "Syndrome" started. He, like many others, couldn't get treated, and the effects were blatantly apparent and quite profound. He never saw the front line, yet upon returning to school, post tour, this former straight a student failed out and had to deal with quite a bit more beyond not being able to pay attention in classes.

The conversation in this thread has vacillated between two different 5G definitions. I don't even know which you are concerned with. Having just re-read the thread... and assuming I didn't miss it, you haven't even stated directly whether it's your home WiFi network operating dual band at 2.4 and 5 GHz, or the new 5G Cellular Data Protocol being rolled out. (I assume the latter based on context.)
Last I checked, in many many years of 5GHz Home WiFi networks, cancer rates don't seem to have risen. Likewise, that didn't seem to happen when 4G Cellular, or the upgraded LTE networks rolled out. Besides, the 5Ghz waves don't penetrate like the 2.4GHz waves... those are probably much more dangerous...

So how bad is the 5G Cellular network going to be? Probably not any worse than what happens when you walk outside on a daily basis in a suburban or Urban environment. The comments previously on Pollution levels are more pertinent, especially considering how different the Air and Water Quality is around the globe with humans being "locked down" for roughly 6-8 weeks. Hell, they can even see the Himalayas now from 100 miles away in India for the first time in what, 1 or 2 generations?

Beyond that, and to the point of your comments about the industrial power plant... What was the source for creating power? Hydro, Carbon-based? What about the equipment? Not discounting EM radiation and Flux as Jerry mentioned, but what about other industrial toxins likely present in the environment?

Your posts here only add up to a perpetuation of paranoia, considering, respectfully, that you have not engaged with us in a manner other than to say you don't want conspiracy... though that is the root of your paranoid actions.

If you wish the tone to change, please consider engaging with us rather than stating/reiterating your opinion and demanding we answer it according to your own expectations. Give us actionable talking points and a cogent argument supporting your concern which we can further research and discuss with you.

BTW, if you haven't caught on... it seems we, all of us that have responded, don't think the new 5G Cellular Network is going to flip a switch on human health and wellness.

Cheers.

 

[Brian H.]

Thanks everyone, the general consensus I get from all this is that I really don't have to worry about the 5g network. I will sleep well tonight knowing that. Cheers!

 

[mtrycrafts]

you know that putting current through your speakers also creates an EMF field, right?

Now he knows.

 

[lovinthehd]

Satellites

Perhaps if you lived underwater (but with no electrical machines)?

These days damn hard to get out of the way. We're all experiments in the long run

 

[mtrycrafts]

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Last I checked, in many many years of 5GHz Home WiFi networks, cancer rates don't seem to have risen. Likewise, that didn't seem to happen when 4G Cellular, or the upgraded LTE networks rolled out. Besides, the 5Ghz waves don't penetrate like the 2.4GHz waves... those are probably much more dangerous...

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Cheers.

From my short research the phones do not transmit and receive 5gHz to and from a cell tower, only to a wi-fi router.
My 4G iPhone 5 has 5gHz to wi-fi and under before covid 19 has clocked 100 Meg downoad speeds.

 

[JerryLove]

From my short research the phones do not transmit and receive 5gHz to and from a cell tower, only to a wi-fi router.
My 4G iPhone 5 has 5gHz to wi-fi and under before covid 19 has clocked 100 Meg downoad speeds.

5Ghz, which is the 5GHz radio frequency, is used by Wifi.

5G, which is 5th generation cellular service and operates in a frequency range from 24GHz to 72GHz isn't technically off cell towers either.... it doesn't have the range.

Frequencies that high have rapid fall-off and very bad penetration. Some cell companies have attempted, unsuccessfully, to cover football stadiums. They still can't manage complete coverage.

The use-case for true 5G doesn't look like anything you think. What it looks like is directionally orienting "antenna" on, say, the lamp posts on your street, with receivers on your windows attached by cable to your WiFi interpreting the signal. It's real future is as a way to avoid the "last 20 yards" of home broadband install... which is a surprising cost.

Yes, they will put these antenna and signal processors in phones; but there's little practical use to doing so.