4 uls-15 mk2’s vs 4 pb-2000’s

[Danzilla31]

My vtf3s sound awesome but can anyone tell me why when I lean forward some in my seat the bass sounds even better? I’m really only hearing this when listening to music. I have two rows of seats and usually sit in second row. I’ve been measuring from my main second row seat n tonight I tried measuring from all the seats. It sounds the same even if I just measure from main second row seat

From what Ive learned the room has such a powerful effect on bass. Sometimes moving yourself or the sub a couple feet heck even less then that can dramatically change the way the bass sounds.

That happens in my bedroom setup a lot
I have this one corner where the sub sounds the best. But if I move just a couple of feet to this one side man it's like a dramatic change in the quality of the bass.

That's why it's best to get duals it can help with this but even then it can't always fix every spot even with measuring and eq it's tough to get all the deadzones out.

That's why someday I'm going to quad subs in my main room setup with 2 of them firing off right behind my couches

 

[Reckel]

From what Ive learned the room has such a powerful effect on bass. Sometimes moving yourself or the sub a couple feet heck even less then that can dramatically change the way the bass sounds.

That happens in my bedroom setup a lot
I have this one corner where the sub sounds the best. But if I move just a couple of feet to this one side man it's like a dramatic change in the quality of the bass.

That's why it's best to get duals it can help with this but even then it can't always fix every spot even with measuring and eq it's tough to get all the deadzones out.

That's why someday I'm going to quad subs in my main room setup with 2 of them firing off right behind my couches

Yea I’ve got dual vtf3s, just got them couple weeks ago. I don’t understand what it is. I used to run four bic pl200’s and I had the same thing, just wish I could figure this out

 

[Danzilla31]

Yea I’ve got dual vtf3s, just got them couple weeks ago. I don’t understand what it is. I used to run four bic pl200’s and I had the same thing, just wish I could figure this out

There are people way more knowledgeable then myself that can better answer the questions you have. But from the way I understand it you may be sitting in what we call a bass null. Ceartin areas of a room cancel out or weaken the bass wavelength based on how it interacts with the room. These spots can be very difficult to deal with.

Getting multiples of subs will help but even having up to quad subs it can be difficult to deal with it if that's a tough spot your sitting in.

But just like sitting forward or moving your position can change the way you experience bass by changing your spot from sitting in a null to a spot that interacts optimally with the bass.

You can also change the way you hear it by moving the subs instead of changing your position. Just like shifting a seat can change the amount of bass you hear so can moving a sub to different spots in the room.

Have you tried moving the subs to different locations in the room? You may just find a place for them where the areas You want to sit in and hopefully of your guests as much as possible can then benefit from moving the subs and changing how they interact with the room by giving that seating area the best bass response

 

[Reckel]

There are people way more knowledgeable then myself that can better answer the questions you have. But from the way I understand it you may be sitting in what we call a bass null. Ceartin areas of a room cancel out or weaken the bass wavelength based on how it interacts with the room. These spots can be very difficult to deal with.

Getting multiples of subs will help but even having up to quad subs it can be difficult to deal with it if that's a tough spot your sitting in.

But just like sitting forward or moving your position can change the way you experience bass by changing your spot from sitting in a null to a spot that interacts optimally with the bass.

You can also change the way you hear it by moving the subs instead of changing your position. Just like shifting a seat can change the amount of bass you hear so can moving a sub to different spots in the room.

Have you tried moving the subs to different locations in the room? You may just find a place for them where the areas You want to sit in and hopefully of your guests as much as possible can then benefit from moving the subs and changing how they interact with the room by giving that seating area the best bass response

When I was running four, I had two up front inside the towers and two behind my second row of seating. If you go back through this thread pics of my room are on here so at least you’d be able to visualize it.
Right now I have the two vtf3s up front inside my towers. I did try leaving the front right one where it is and moved front left to front rear but I didn’t like how that sounded. Guess I’ll have to try the opposite way and then try putting one right front n right rear since right side of my room has a wall where the left side opens up to rest of basement, so I have no boundary on that side. I don’t really have a lot of room to move the couches

 

[Reckel]

There are people way more knowledgeable then myself that can better answer the questions you have. But from the way I understand it you may be sitting in what we call a bass null. Ceartin areas of a room cancel out or weaken the bass wavelength based on how it interacts with the room. These spots can be very difficult to deal with.

Getting multiples of subs will help but even having up to quad subs it can be difficult to deal with it if that's a tough spot your sitting in.

But just like sitting forward or moving your position can change the way you experience bass by changing your spot from sitting in a null to a spot that interacts optimally with the bass.

You can also change the way you hear it by moving the subs instead of changing your position. Just like shifting a seat can change the amount of bass you hear so can moving a sub to different spots in the room.

Have you tried moving the subs to different locations in the room? You may just find a place for them where the areas You want to sit in and hopefully of your guests as much as possible can then benefit from moving the subs and changing how they interact with the room by giving that seating area the best bass response

Pics are on page 7

 

[snakeeyes]

There are people way more knowledgeable then myself that can better answer the questions you have. But from the way I understand it you may be sitting in what we call a bass null. Ceartin areas of a room cancel out or weaken the bass wavelength based on how it interacts with the room. These spots can be very difficult to deal with.

Getting multiples of subs will help but even having up to quad subs it can be difficult to deal with it if that's a tough spot your sitting in.

But just like sitting forward or moving your position can change the way you experience bass by changing your spot from sitting in a null to a spot that interacts optimally with the bass.

You can also change the way you hear it by moving the subs instead of changing your position. Just like shifting a seat can change the amount of bass you hear so can moving a sub to different spots in the room.

Have you tried moving the subs to different locations in the room? You may just find a place for them where the areas You want to sit in and hopefully of your guests as much as possible can then benefit from moving the subs and changing how they interact with the room by giving that seating area the best bass response

So...I should create a bass null on purpose where my GF sits so I can increase the bass where I sit. LOL

 

[KEW]

My vtf3s sound awesome but can anyone tell me why when I lean forward some in my seat the bass sounds even better? I’m really only hearing this when listening to music. I have two rows of seats and usually sit in second row. I’ve been measuring from my main second row seat n tonight I tried measuring from all the seats. It sounds the same even if I just measure from main second row seat

sorry, I am working from my phone or I would give you a link, love you Google "audioholics sub crawl Marshall", that video will take care of a lot of your issues. Simply adding a second sub does not necessarily resolve room modes it depends on getting the second sub in the correct location. Generally, if you do the sub crawl the best two positions you notice would be the places you would want to put your two subs. I recommend this video as a simple straightforward approach to getting your subwoofers in the right locations.

 

[Reckel]

sorry, I am working from my phone or I would give you a link, love you Google "audioholics sub crawl Marshall", that video will take care of a lot of your issues. Simply adding a second sub does not necessarily resolve room modes it depends on getting the second sub in the correct location. Generally, if you do the sub crawl the best two positions you notice would be the places you would want to put your two subs. I recommend this video as a simple straightforward approach to getting your subwoofers in the right locations.

Yea I’ve watched that video before. I really don’t have a lot of options on placement either, pics of my room are on page 7 here. When I was running the four pl200s I had two up front inside towers n two behind my second row of seats, even with the four I still had it with music but I assume it’s affecting both. I think my big problem is the left side of my room opens up to the rest of basement so I have no boundary there

 

[Reckel]

sorry, I am working from my phone or I would give you a link, love you Google "audioholics sub crawl Marshall", that video will take care of a lot of your issues. Simply adding a second sub does not necessarily resolve room modes it depends on getting the second sub in the correct location. Generally, if you do the sub crawl the best two positions you notice would be the places you would want to put your two subs. I recommend this video as a simple straightforward approach to getting your subwoofers in the right locations.

You should really find the pics and then you’d be able to see exactly how room is setup

 

[Danzilla31]

Pics are on page 7

I'll check out those pics soon as I get a chance and let ya know if I see any good ideas

 

[Reckel]

I'll check out those pics soon as I get a chance and let ya know if I see any good ideas

Yea check them, I’m open for some suggestions

 

[Danzilla31]

Yea check them, I’m open for some suggestions

Ok I saw your pics first off beautiful beautiful stunning room. Congratulations what a setup!

Second how big is that room again? That's a bigger area then I thought. And That stairway going up is probably killing you just adds a lot more cubic air but hopefully it's closed off up top.

Third what subs did you buy again? Even though your only in one part of the room that's a lot of open air and as you stayed just lack of any boundary on the one side. You'll need some powerhouses in there. But keep in mind power won't solve a room node by itself. So be careful in just going crazy thinking the most powerful sub will do it. That room node will still suck out bass. It's positioning of the subs that will solve this problem hopefully

Fourth. Did you ever do a sub crawl when you were setting up that room to find the best spots for each sub? Or like I have in some of my setups did they just go where they looked great and it was convenient?

Now here's some ideas I already have. Your answer to those questions will help as well.

Idea #1. Moving a sub even short distances can help. Have you ever thought of moving the front subs from inside the towers to outside on that front wall where the tv is. Try spacing them out and even trying both corners there.

Idea#2 the same with the back subs can they be moved wider apart. Just moving the subs along those walls could do it if you find a sweet spot.

Idea #3 I noticed your seating has an opening between rows 1 and 2 along that side where there's a wall. Have you tried placing one there? If size is an issue SVS cylinder subs would work great there

Idea#4 how about besides the seats on the outer rows. 2 either on that front row to each side or 2 to each side on that back row? Even all 4 right there. If done right they could look like really cool end tables.

Just some initial thoughts lemme know what you think

 

[snakeeyes]

What do you have the Q control set at? I’m assuming you unplugged one port on each VTF3 to be in one port mode on both?

 

[Reckel]

Ok I saw your pics first off beautiful beautiful stunning room. Congratulations what a setup!

Second how big is that room again? That's a bigger area then I thought. And That stairway going up is probably killing you just adds a lot more cubic air but hopefully it's closed off up top.

Third what subs did you buy again? Even though your only in one part of the room that's a lot of open air and as you stayed just lack of any boundary on the one side. You'll need some powerhouses in there. But keep in mind power won't solve a room node by itself. So be careful in just going crazy thinking the most powerful sub will do it. That room node will still suck out bass. It's positioning of the subs that will solve this problem hopefully

Fourth. Did you ever do a sub crawl when you were setting up that room to find the best spots for each sub? Or like I have in some of my setups did they just go where they looked great and it was convenient?

Now here's some ideas I already have. Your answer to those questions will help as well.

Idea #1. Moving a sub even short distances can help. Have you ever thought of moving the front subs from inside the towers to outside on that front wall where the tv is. Try spacing them out and even trying both corners there.

Idea#2 the same with the back subs can they be moved wider apart. Just moving the subs along those walls could do it if you find a sweet spot.

Idea #3 I noticed your seating has an opening between rows 1 and 2 along that side where there's a wall. Have you tried placing one there? If size is an issue SVS cylinder subs would work great there

Idea#4 how about besides the seats on the outer rows. 2 either on that front row to each side or 2 to each side on that back row? Even all 4 right there. If done right they could look like really cool end tables.

Just some initial thoughts lemme know what you think

I just got two vtf3s two weeks ago, the listening room is 13w x 19l x 8 but that room plus rest of basement I believe is like 7400cft. Thank you on the room also. The subs in pics are not even being used now, they’re pl200s and they don’t even compare to the vtf3s, this is first response, I’m gonna answer your other questions

 

[Reckel]

Ok I saw your pics first off beautiful beautiful stunning room. Congratulations what a setup!

Second how big is that room again? That's a bigger area then I thought. And That stairway going up is probably killing you just adds a lot more cubic air but hopefully it's closed off up top.

Third what subs did you buy again? Even though your only in one part of the room that's a lot of open air and as you stayed just lack of any boundary on the one side. You'll need some powerhouses in there. But keep in mind power won't solve a room node by itself. So be careful in just going crazy thinking the most powerful sub will do it. That room node will still suck out bass. It's positioning of the subs that will solve this problem hopefully

Fourth. Did you ever do a sub crawl when you were setting up that room to find the best spots for each sub? Or like I have in some of my setups did they just go where they looked great and it was convenient?

Now here's some ideas I already have. Your answer to those questions will help as well.

Idea #1. Moving a sub even short distances can help. Have you ever thought of moving the front subs from inside the towers to outside on that front wall where the tv is. Try spacing them out and even trying both corners there.

Idea#2 the same with the back subs can they be moved wider apart. Just moving the subs along those walls could do it if you find a sweet spot.

Idea #3 I noticed your seating has an opening between rows 1 and 2 along that side where there's a wall. Have you tried placing one there? If size is an issue SVS cylinder subs would work great there

Idea#4 how about besides the seats on the outer rows. 2 either on that front row to each side or 2 to each side on that back row? Even all 4 right there. If done right they could look like really cool end tables.

Just some initial thoughts lemme know what you think

Honestly I just tried them up front first

 

[Reckel]

Ok I saw your pics first off beautiful beautiful stunning room. Congratulations what a setup!

Second how big is that room again? That's a bigger area then I thought. And That stairway going up is probably killing you just adds a lot more cubic air but hopefully it's closed off up top.

Third what subs did you buy again? Even though your only in one part of the room that's a lot of open air and as you stayed just lack of any boundary on the one side. You'll need some powerhouses in there. But keep in mind power won't solve a room node by itself. So be careful in just going crazy thinking the most powerful sub will do it. That room node will still suck out bass. It's positioning of the subs that will solve this problem hopefully

Fourth. Did you ever do a sub crawl when you were setting up that room to find the best spots for each sub? Or like I have in some of my setups did they just go where they looked great and it was convenient?

Now here's some ideas I already have. Your answer to those questions will help as well.

Idea #1. Moving a sub even short distances can help. Have you ever thought of moving the front subs from inside the towers to outside on that front wall where the tv is. Try spacing them out and even trying both corners there.

Idea#2 the same with the back subs can they be moved wider apart. Just moving the subs along those walls could do it if you find a sweet spot.

Idea #3 I noticed your seating has an opening between rows 1 and 2 along that side where there's a wall. Have you tried placing one there? If size is an issue SVS cylinder subs would work great there

Idea#4 how about besides the seats on the outer rows. 2 either on that front row to each side or 2 to each side on that back row? Even all 4 right there. If done right they could look like really cool end tables.

Just some initial thoughts lemme know what you think

Placing on the sides isn’t really going to work, they’re just to big and it takes up walkway getting around the couches, plus I don’t think my wife is going to go for that

 

[Reckel]

What do you have the Q control set at? I’m assuming you unplugged one port on each VTF3 to be in one port mode on both?

Right now they’re .7 yes 3in port plugged

 

[snakeeyes]

Right now they’re .7 yes 3in port plugged

Ok ya they come with both ports plugged. Just confirming you removed one port on each. The q control has a bit of effect. You can adjust it and see if that helps or not. The sub crawl is a good idea. Also would be worth the money to get the mic and do REW measurements but it does look like a little work to learn. I plan on doing that too.

 

[Reckel]

Ok I saw your pics first off beautiful beautiful stunning room. Congratulations what a setup!

Second how big is that room again? That's a bigger area then I thought. And That stairway going up is probably killing you just adds a lot more cubic air but hopefully it's closed off up top.

Third what subs did you buy again? Even though your only in one part of the room that's a lot of open air and as you stayed just lack of any boundary on the one side. You'll need some powerhouses in there. But keep in mind power won't solve a room node by itself. So be careful in just going crazy thinking the most powerful sub will do it. That room node will still suck out bass. It's positioning of the subs that will solve this problem hopefully

Fourth. Did you ever do a sub crawl when you were setting up that room to find the best spots for each sub? Or like I have in some of my setups did they just go where they looked great and it was convenient?

Now here's some ideas I already have. Your answer to those questions will help as well.

Idea #1. Moving a sub even short distances can help. Have you ever thought of moving the front subs from inside the towers to outside on that front wall where the tv is. Try spacing them out and even trying both corners there.

Idea#2 the same with the back subs can they be moved wider apart. Just moving the subs along those walls could do it if you find a sweet spot.

Idea #3 I noticed your seating has an opening between rows 1 and 2 along that side where there's a wall. Have you tried placing one there? If size is an issue SVS cylinder subs would work great there

Idea#4 how about besides the seats on the outer rows. 2 either on that front row to each side or 2 to each side on that back row? Even all 4 right there. If done right they could look like really cool end tables.

Just some initial thoughts lemme know what you think

I have not tried spreading them apart yet up front but I will and was planning to. The right front one already gets extra gain from the wall. I thought about trying to run the two back subs too cuz I haven’t moved them yet but didn’t know if they’d just be overpowered by the vtf3s. Really my goal was to get two vtf3s now and two more in December or January to put in back but I need this straightened out first. The vtf3s sound awesome and honestly I dk if I really need two more, they shake the hell outta the upstairs now (my wife loves hearing them in our bedroom)

 

[Reckel]

Ok ya they come with both ports plugged. Just confirming you removed one port on each. The q control has a bit of effect. You can adjust it and see if that helps or not. The sub crawl is a good idea. Also would be worth the money to get the mic and do REW measurements but it does look like a little work to learn. I plan on doing that too.

Yea I was planning on purchasing a mic n rew but now it seems more like a placement issue. I hear it on music but is it also affecting movies? Movies sound awesome