4 uls-15 mk2’s vs 4 pb-2000’s

[snakeeyes]

Congrats!!! This is what I meant that out of the box these would be game changers. .

 

[shadyJ]

Ok I’ll try. Man, idk about reference, -15 is loud as hell. They can handle that abuse? Together im running them at 78db. So are you saying to use max mode now?

Don't turn it up that high if you are not comfortable doing so, of course. The subs can handle it, but if you don't enjoy it, don't do it. The VTF-3s will handle loudness extremes better in max output mode than max extension mode. If you are going to absolutely blaze them, use max output mode.

 

[Reckel]

Don't turn it up that high if you are not comfortable doing so, of course. The subs can handle it, but if you don't enjoy it, don't do it. The VTF-3s will handle loudness extremes better in max output mode than max extension mode. If you are going to absolutely blaze them, use max output mode.

Ok thx man. So extension is good in -15 to -10?

 

[Reckel]

Congrats!!! This is what I meant that out of the box these would be game changers. .

Thx man. Yea they’re fricking awesome! Can’t imagine what two more would sound like

 

[Reckel]

Congrats!!!

Thx man

 

[Reckel]

Don't turn it up that high if you are not comfortable doing so, of course. The subs can handle it, but if you don't enjoy it, don't do it. The VTF-3s will handle loudness extremes better in max output mode than max extension mode. If you are going to absolutely blaze them, use max output mode.

Not to go back to ypao, but what’s ur advice on what I asked about measuring? In the middle of the two rows or my main seat?

 

[lovinthehd]

Generally you run a REQ program first from your main listening position. Running YPAO also helps setup levels as well as delays if you don't have tools to do it otherwise. You may find YPAO doesn't help, you might like what it does. Try it both ways, especially if you can measure the difference.

 

[shadyJ]

Ok thx man. So extension is good in -15 to -10?

Extension can handle as loud as you can push it, but it is harder on the driver. I wouldn't run it in that mode at extreme volumes all the time. It is durable though, so don't think it is somehow a fragile subwoofer.

 

[shadyJ]

Not to go back to ypao, but what’s ur advice on what I asked about measuring? In the middle of the two rows or my main seat?

lovinthehd is correct here.

 

[Reckel]

For you guys that have vtf3s, where’d you set your gain knobs on the subs? One of mine is set just under 9 o’clock and the other one is set just over 9 o’clock. They’re each set to 75db from my main seat. After I run ypao, it sets the subs at -2 which from my main seat they’re running 78.5-80db combined.
Do you guys think I have the subs gain a little higher so ypao cuts it more or leave it where it is? Obviously before I was running 4 with the bics and they were set between -6.0/7.0. All my speakers are are in the minus range and mind you, everything does sound great.

 

[Reckel]

Should is supposed to be after I in second paragraph

 

[shadyJ]

For you guys that have vtf3s, where’d you set your gain knobs on the subs? One of mine is set just under 9 o’clock and the other one is set just over 9 o’clock. They’re each set to 75db from my main seat. After I run ypao, it sets the subs at -2 which from my main seat they’re running 78.5-80db combined.
Do you guys think I have the subs gain a little higher so ypao cuts it more or leave it where it is? Obviously before I was running 4 with the bics and they were set between -6.0/7.0. All my speakers are are in the minus range and mind you, everything does sound great.

Your current setting sounds fine. I wouldn't turn up the gain. If you turn up the gain too high, YPAO will send it a very small signal, and that might not be enough to trigger the auto-on mode very easily.

 

[Reckel]

Yea that’s what I was worried about. I gain matched them both to 10 o’clock other day and avr set them at -6.0, combined they were still 78.5-80. Problem was when I checked spl from my seat each were 5db or more to hot. I re-ran everything and level matched them back yesterday

 

[Reckel]

Your current setting sounds fine. I wouldn't turn up the gain. If you turn up the gain too high, YPAO will send it a very small signal, and that might not be enough to trigger the auto-on mode very easily.

Do you prefer level or gain matching?

 

[shadyJ]

Do you prefer level or gain matching?

Why not both!?

 

[Danzilla31]

Yes.

Yes...After about 6 mos of researching, I'd pretty much made up my mind to buy a pair of vtf 15h mk2 subs. The day I called to order I decided to let the sales guy do his job and see what he would suggest before pulling the trigger.

He said for your slightly under 2800 cu ft space, one ideally placed 15h mk2 would be more than enough, but ideal placement in most rooms is not a realistic spot...two 3 mk5 would be my suggestion for killer bass and he was 100% right. You'll probably work yours harder watching more movies, but these things are beasts!

Congrats!!! Have some help ready when they arrive. My HT space is an upstairs loft, I managed to get both up there with some smarts and sweat.

No...the Marantz pre/pro walks you through it and puts the sub through some test tones, etc. I had some flexibility on location so I moved them around, but ultimately flanking the TV was the best spot for music and movies.

Shown here flanking the TV...initially I had one along the TV wall and one near field behind the MLP and it was awesome for movies...localization really bothered me for music so this works best.

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Subs are great in a 2.1 situation, but they really can take movies to another level...I can't wait to hear your thoughts.

Enjoy!

Nice setup!

 

[Reckel]

Why not both!?

Thought you had to do one or the other?

 

[shadyJ]

Thought you had to do one or the other?

I would set the level on the subs to 9 o clock, and see how close the AVR can get to that in calibration (that is, if I decided to let the AVR calibrate).

 

[Reckel]

I would set the level on the subs to 9 o clock, and see how close the AVR can get to that in calibration (that is, if I decided to let the AVR calibrate).

I know how you feel about ypao and the other auto room correction programs but at the moment I don’t have a umik-1, rew or minidsp. What else do you suggest?

 

[shadyJ]

I know how you feel about ypao and the other auto room correction programs but at the moment I don’t have a umik-1, rew or minidsp. What else do you suggest?

What you need is a way to measure your system if you want to optimize it. That means you need a mic. You can kind of do that if you have a good smartphone and the right app, but I wouldn't trust that as much as a decent mic. Anyway, if you like the sound and it sounds good to you, you don't need to fret about it too much.

If you are going to add more subs later, and you have freedom of placement for these subs, ie. there are many different places you can put them, its worth getting a mic and testing different locations to get them in the best spots. With 4 subs and the right placement, you might be able to get the frequency response so nice that there would be no need for any EQ whatsoever. EQ might actually hurt more than it can help by amassing group delay.