3 Favorite Classical Pieces

pzaur

pzaur

Audioholic Samurai
I looked it up on Arkiv. It looks like two labels have released it, Apex and Teldec. They seem to have the same songs, just in a different order. Do you have one of those?

Jim
The album I have is from Teldec. My gut says they're the same recordings. The listed length of time for both discs is exactly the same, 1 hour and 2 minutes.

-pat
 
J

jostenmeat

Audioholic Spartan
PZAUR!!!!

Ok, you need to give me a list of must have recordings. The SQ, soundstage, and performance of the Dvorak is top notch. Wow. My orchestral selection is not great. Since I've probably heard Brahms' 4th enough times, I'd love a selection on 1, 2, or 3. I lost many years ago the Shosta 5th, Bernstein/NY, that I loved, but I want to know your rec.

Anyways... I was quite impressed with the super-tight ensemble on various occasions, especially at endings of certain movements. It did seem that the winds and brass were at the forefront, and strings were recessed... then again it is the CSO. The dynamic ranges were fantastic! This might become a new reference disc for future speaker auditions!

I also got my Beethoven collection. Only had time to hear the 7th and first mvmt of 8th. I was under the mistaken impression that the ensemble was smaller, because it "sounded" that way when I last heard it many years ago. The greatest difference in timbral qualities definitely come from the wind section, from the period-instrument orchestra. There was what I would describle as almost a humorous sounding ostinato that I *believe was the bassoon. (It sounded so foreign, that I wasn't sure! very small outside chance it was a horn, don't think so...). Compared to my Kleiber recording, this is definitely faster, more articulation-laden by a long shot, better dynamic range. Really, quite a different performance altogether. I look forward to more impressions during further listening...
 
pzaur

pzaur

Audioholic Samurai
jostenmeat - I'll have to get back to you on that. Check back to my post with all the hyperlinks attached. Those are all recordings that I own. I don't recommend the Beethoven series with Solti. Some pretty horrible intonation in the set.

If you're looking for Brahms, I've heard three sets that I really enjoy.
In no particular order:

Masur / New York Philharmonic
(That might be the set. The jacket is different)
Solti / Chicago
Barenboim / Chicago

I don't think these are the cheapest prices out there.
I'll get back to on the New York series. I remember hearing it, but I can't find it.

-pat
 
Last edited:
J

jostenmeat

Audioholic Spartan
Fantastic.

I will eventually get the Zemlinksy, Dopper, Shosta Jazz, and try Solti for various of the same composer. Your one rec has made me into a pzaur-believer. I really, really like Prokofiev, but I don't know the Scythian, so I'll get that too! Hahahhaha. I have that Stravinsky set, and I was at one of those shows! (Firebird), had to sneak in, you might remember from that ancient AVS thread. Though, I'd love to try your rec of the Ravel, I have a decent one already (I think) on the Erato label, but I can't remember for the life of me who is performing. But, Im sure a great recording would really show off its programmaticism (and my speakers too!:D), anyways...

I have the Piano Rolls recordings of Gershwin as played by a Yamaha Disklavier, its pretty cool...

Not only are we classical nuts, but we both love Brecker! I saw him play once. A Coltrane tribute that was totally unbelievable, especially his solo performance of Naima, with what I might call elephant sounds, crazy repetitive-like runs using different fingerings, creating wonderful fleeting timbral colors. Talking with an aged old experienced sax player after the concert, he thought that no one would play that song again, the way Body and Soul belonged to Hawkins for so long...I'm really digressing. Very sad story, Brecker's...
 
pzaur

pzaur

Audioholic Samurai
Not only are we classical nuts, but we both love Brecker! I saw him play once. A Coltrane tribute that was totally unbelievable, especially his solo performance of Naima, with what I might call elephant sounds, crazy repetitive-like runs using different fingerings, creating wonderful fleeting timbral colors. Talking with an aged old experienced sax player after the concert, he thought that no one would play that song again, the way Body and Soul belonged to Hawkins for so long...I'm really digressing. Very sad story, Brecker's...
UNFAIR! I only get to see his performances on youtube. There are a ton. Eric Dolphy is also a trip to check out. His bass clarinet playing is superb.

-pat
 
J

jostenmeat

Audioholic Spartan
UNFAIR! I only get to see his performances on youtube. There are a ton. Eric Dolphy is also a trip to check out. His bass clarinet playing is superb.

-pat
Heh, sorry. I guess I must consider myself extremely fortunate...

Yes, I love Dolphy. He was my preferred tenor for a long time. (Coltrane... well, the more sober he got, the more incomprehensible it seemed! Go figure). The most bass clarinet I have him playing is on Out to Lunch (and Hutcherson has got some pretty "out" voicings that I remember). I have a # of other Dolphy recordings, but they are all sax only that I can remember. Wait, Nelson's Blues and the Abstract truth, there might be a bit, can't quite remember. Anyways, I love that instrument, not enough of it in general.

Again I want to thank you for that rec. WOW. (Though, I have to say, with my new rig, and now with a growing collection of quality recordings, I am actually quite concerned for the future health of my hearing:eek:). Anyways, if it wasn't for Starmax's spreading of the love for the New World Sym, combined with your rec, I might not have ever pulled the trigger on any of the recommendations! I'll let you know when I spring for the new recordings because Im now convinced forums like these are indeed a great way to get great recs, well thanks to you anyways.... I'll just have to wait a little while to listen to more of what I just obtained...:D
 
pzaur

pzaur

Audioholic Samurai
Heh, sorry. I guess I must consider myself extremely fortunate...

Yes, I love Dolphy. He was my preferred tenor for a long time. (Coltrane... well, the more sober he got, the more incomprehensible it seemed! Go figure). The most bass clarinet I have him playing is on Out to Lunch (and Hutcherson has got some pretty "out" voicings that I remember). I have a # of other Dolphy recordings, but they are all sax only that I can remember. Wait, Nelson's Blues and the Abstract truth, there might be a bit, can't quite remember. Anyways, I love that instrument, not enough of it in general.

Again I want to thank you for that rec. WOW. (Though, I have to say, with my new rig, and now with a growing collection of quality recordings, I am actually quite concerned for the future health of my hearing:eek:). Anyways, if it wasn't for Starmax's spreading of the love for the New World Sym, combined with your rec, I might not have ever pulled the trigger on any of the recommendations! I'll let you know when I spring for the new recordings because Im now convinced forums like these are indeed a great way to get great recs, well thanks to you anyways.... I'll just have to wait a little while to listen to more of what I just obtained...:D
I'll have to look into some recordings of Dolphy. I've never gotten really deep into the jazz area. A major shortcoming on my end since I am a saxophonist by trade :eek: Lot's of classical listening through college.

Since we are right on 9/11, I highly recommend the San Francisco/Thomas recording of Mahler 6. It was recorded live September 12-15, 2001. Some seriously intense parts. (It's also a SACD hybrid). The emotional impact of the recording is second to none.

The whole Mahler series that has been put out has been getting tons of accolades. It's available at the SFSO website and on sa-cd.net.

I think there has to be a very profound connection between "audiophile" sites and what is listened to. Classical recordings are always recorded better than anything out there because the listeners demand it. In general, modern rock listeners want intensity through volume. Distortion isn't nearly thought of as a problem as it should be.

An interesting article about ArkivCD that kinda supports my point. I like this quote from the second page:

"For classical music, it's a whole different ball game," Feidner responds, pointing out that the genre is a niche that often has quite different priorities from the broader music market. He cites a survey the company did at the end of last year that confirmed what they already suspected: Classical music consumers are concerned about sound quality and thus loath to purchase music in compressed formats like MP3. They also want to have liner notes and vocal texts, and prefer hard copies to electronic formats like PDFs.

You also might be interested in this article about the Monterey Jazz Festival creating it's own recording label and releasing never-before-released concerts from the festival. I'll be keeping my eyes on this one...

-pat

Shostakovich 1 & 7 - Bernstein/CSO. It's not as clear as others, but it is an incredible performance of the two pieces.
 
pzaur

pzaur

Audioholic Samurai
I forgot to add these bad boys earlier:

Pictures at an Exhibition
#1 Pictures at an Exhibition - Giulini
#2 Pictures at an Exhibition - Jarvi

Kodaly - CSO/Jarvi


Berlioz Symphonie Fantastique - SFSO/Thomas
- A spectacular recording.

There's a CSO/Abbado recording of this that is just blatantly brass during the last movement. :D Pretty wild, but an awesome recording. I'll try and find the exact edition I have. I located one on Arkiv, but the label is different.

I love just listening to Ma Vlast when I've got nothing to do.

-pat
 
J

jostenmeat

Audioholic Spartan
I listened to the 5th last night. If I thought the 7th was faster, whoa! Im not sure what the typical duration is, but Gardiner gets it done in half an hour, which actually really pleases my sensibilities (as much I respect the work. I don’t have great patience. Though Bach is my favorite, I never got into perhaps his greatest works, the masses and passions, because, man, they are long). Anyways, it seems no’s 1, 3, & 5 are all recorded live, which I much prefer, even with a couple of fleeting, but strange sounding moments. I really dig the recording! Its easier to, or at least will be easier (with repeated listenings), to understand the work as a whole; just more comprehensible it seems with the tempi on steroids. Recording is top-notch in my opinion.

I'll have to look into some recordings of Dolphy. I've never gotten really deep into the jazz area. A major shortcoming on my end since I am a saxophonist by trade :eek: Lot's of classical listening through college.
Have you played or heard of Christian Lauba's Neuf Etudes for alto sax? (How's your circular breathing?) I've got a copy of the score that I can mail out to you, if you would like. Just ask. Really cool stuff!

I am, or at least formerly was, guitarist and violinist, never any winds or brass. Before the serious classical-only years, I've tried my hand at a number of different musics and instruments, jazz violin, jazz piano, vocals, both South Indian and Renaissance, but nothing I ever achieved a great level with, so ... I haven't played anything at all in quite a while now. My friend called last night and wants me to play violin in an old-timey band, first rehearsal this Friday night. I agreed, even if I don't even know if the dust mites have eaten all of the horsehair off my bows already! (quite a while since case has been opened. Ok, I can't help myself... Joke: How are lawyers and violinists the same? Everyone is happiest when the case is closed!)... Never played old-timey music, but he says all the songs but one are going to be in G, so whatever... I am actually much more excited to sing harmonies! I think we will be five: dobro, stand-up bass, violin, vocalist, and percussionist. All but one have graduate degrees in music; should be good! Its been well over a year since I’ve played anything at all…

One of the reasons for the enormous expenditures, both temporal and financial, into my first quality audio rig, was also as an artificial reinvestment to rediscover some of the soul that I miss (“used up inspiration” could be more accurate) from my earlier years. Hasn't got me back to playing yet, but I still love it, so what the heck!

Try “Out to Lunch” by Dolphy. Its the only disc I've owned that had him as the headliner. Well, he might have been the headliner with Waldron/Little/Davis/Blackwell, Live at the Five Spot. He's played with many a favorite jazz musician, including my favorite of all time, Mingus. (I love Blues and Roots, but alas, no Dolphy. Also, since you understandably seem to despise out of tune playing, I have to say that there are a few ensemble moments that could be considered to be horridly out of whack, at least for the very intentioned classical ear, but the counterpoint, textures, innovation, and spirit should make the pill easy to swallow. SQ is not so hot, sorry). Do you know how Eric died so young? Unbelievably tragic, the circumstances, you can blame the usher. How do you like Steve Lacy? I'm not a huge fan of soprano sax, but I find Lacy to be extremely good. I've got him with another of my very favorites, in duo with Mal Waldron, playing all Monk and Duke tunes, Sempre Amore.

Since we are right on 9/11, I highly recommend the San Francisco/Thomas recording of Mahler 6. It was recorded live September 12-15, 2001. Some seriously intense parts. (It's also a SACD hybrid). The emotional impact of the recording is second to none.
The whole Mahler series that has been put out has been getting tons of accolades. It's available at the
Ok, twist my arm, ow, ow, ow, Im buying that too. Screw it, Im just gonna order a bunch of your recs sooner than anticipated, because Im going to want them anyways.

I think there has to be a very profound connection between "audiophile" sites and what is listened to. Classical recordings are always recorded better than anything out there because the listeners demand it. In general, modern rock listeners want intensity through volume. Distortion isn't nearly thought of as a problem as it should be....

"For classical music, it's a whole different ball game," Feidner responds, pointing out that the genre is a niche that often has quite different priorities from the broader music market. He cites a survey the company did at the end of last year that confirmed what they already suspected: Classical music consumers are concerned about sound quality and thus loath to purchase music in compressed formats like MP3. They also want to have liner notes and vocal texts, and prefer hard copies to electronic formats like PDFs.
Well, they got me pegged!

You also might be interested in this about the Monterey Jazz Festival creating it's own recording label and releasing never-before-released concerts from the festival. I'll be keeping my eyes on this one...
You're right, I am interested in the Monterey stuff. I see Dave Holland is mentioned first in this year’s line-up. I was fortunate enough to be in a very small audience for a masterclass of his at the Thelonious Monk Institute. Small complaint: jazz musicians never do teach a whole lot in their masterclasses. Well, at least their stories are extremely entertaining. His story is of a ludicrous evolution of his career, mostly to *blame* on a crazy Miles Davis event. (I did give a warning earlier that I am chock full of anecdotes, but Im sparing the Dolphy and Holland ones for now).

Shostakovich 1 & 7 - Bernstein/CSO. It's not as clear as others, but it is an incredible performance of the two pieces.
Tempted as I am on the Bernstein/CSO, Im going to wait on great AND clear. Keep searching, dammit! I AM DISAPPOINTED IN YOU!


I forgot to add these bad boys earlier:
Pictures at an Exhibition
#1 Pictures at an Exhibition - Giulini
#2 Pictures at an Exhibition - Jarvi
I watched a videotape of Solti talking about this work, it was quite good. Has there ever been as good of an orchestrator since the days of Ravel?

Kodaly - CSO/Jarvi
Time to get my first Kodaly recording ever.

Berlioz Symphonie Fantastique - SFSO/Thomas - A spectacular recording.
Time to get my first Berlioz recording... maybe

There's a CSO/Abbado recording of this that is just blatantly brass during the last movement. Pretty wild, but an awesome recording. I'll try and find the exact edition I have. I located one on Arkiv, but the label is different.
*fingers tapping*

I love just listening to Ma Vlast when I've got nothing to do.
Let go of my wallet already!

Jk. Ok, waaaay out of left field, have you heard of Uri Caine? While also an accomplished jazz musician, he has done some *renditions* (for complete lack of a better word) of works by Mahler, Wagner, Schumann, etc. There is a track on the Goldberg Variations that totally had me r.o.t.f.l.m.a.o. Just thinking about the track is good enough for me to start laffing…

Lastly, not very good sq at all, rather poor, but if you like solo piano, I highly recommend Alicia de Larrocha playing Albeniz, particularly Iberia. Imo, one of my best musical discoveries in the last decade. Wonderful harmonies, rhythms, and virtuousity that makes Chopin look like a walk in the park. I have the score of this as well. Not within the 4 books of Iberia, however, his first work La Vega sounds like Keith Jarrett on massive steroids. His last work, Azulejos is a real gem. I do love solo piano!
 
pzaur

pzaur

Audioholic Samurai
Have you played or heard of Christian Lauba's Neuf Etudes for alto sax? (How's your circular breathing?) I've got a copy of the score that I can mail out to you, if you would like. Just ask. Really cool stuff!
I've heard of the material. Never played it. I'll have to pick it up. Don't worry about sending the score. I tend to be a black-hole when borrowing items!
My circular breathing never made it past blowing bubbles in a glass of milk for a couple of minutes...

I am, or at least formerly was, guitarist and violinist, never any winds or brass. Before the serious classical-only years, I've tried my hand at a number of different musics and instruments, jazz violin, jazz piano, vocals, both South Indian and Renaissance, but nothing I ever achieved a great level with, so ... I haven't played anything at all in quite a while now. My friend called last night and wants me to play violin in an old-timey band, first rehearsal this Friday night. I agreed, even if I don't even know if the dust mites have eaten all of the horsehair off my bows already! (quite a while since case has been opened. Ok, I can't help myself... Joke: How are lawyers and violinists the same? Everyone is happiest when the case is closed!)... Never played old-timey music, but he says all the songs but one are going to be in G, so whatever... I am actually much more excited to sing harmonies! I think we will be five: dobro, stand-up bass, violin, vocalist, and percussionist. All but one have graduate degrees in music; should be good! Its been well over a year since I’ve played anything at all…
It's all like riding a bike...a little painful at first, but very enjoyable after the initial tumble. Glad to hear that you're looking to get back into playing. Talk about the biggest stress reliever I've ever found! If I could make a living playing in a pit or some avenue, I would be there in a heartbeat. It's just a shame that for me to do that I'd be saying these words very often:
"Would you like fries with that?" :eek: Not for me and my wife would kill me.

One of the reasons for the enormous expenditures, both temporal and financial, into my first quality audio rig, was also as an artificial reinvestment to rediscover some of the soul that I miss (“used up inspiration” could be more accurate) from my earlier years. Hasn't got me back to playing yet, but I still love it, so what the heck!
Completely understand. I live out my dreams in recordings...

since you understandably seem to despise out of tune playing...
The irony of this is that I teach 5th and 6th grade band! I will look into finding those recordings. I've heard enough of Thelonius Monk and Ellington groups to tolerate intonation problems in jazz. It just happens way too often to bypass recordings for that reason.

Dolphy's death can only be attributed to ignorance and the lack of the Med-Alert wrist band. A shame. Terrible, terrible shame. I

've never heard Steve Lacy. I'm more into the lower saxes (tenor, bari) than any of the others. I do love the alto sound. It just doesn't fit into my idea of what I want jazz to sound like (although Desmond rocks...).
Believe it or not, I tend to find the soprano whiny sounding more often than not. I can't stand the prevalence of the Kenny G soprano sound (I'm not saying any more on this subject!)



jazz musicians never do teach a whole lot in their masterclasses. Well, at least their stories are extremely entertaining.
You need to watch the Wynton Marsalis jazz seminars in Louisiana on PBS. Simply awful. The producers keep panning to this huge crowd of young students who look bored out of their minds and Wynton teaches things like this:
WM - "This is a riff"
-riff is demonstrated-
WM - "Everyone say 'riff'"
Crowd - "Riff"
WM - "Riff"
Crowd - "Riff"
WM - "Trumpets rule"
Crowd - "Trumpets rule"
WM - "Riff"
Crowd - "Riff"
WM - "Great. Now that we've learned what a riff is..."

Simply horrible. Great player. Horrible teacher for the younger masses.


Tempted as I am on the Bernstein/CSO, Im going to wait on great AND clear. Keep searching, dammit! I AM DISAPPOINTED IN YOU!
Alright, I may have overstated the inadequacies of this recording quality. Brassy and fabulous. It's just not as good as some of the Reiner recordings. Still...awesome, intense, engrossing...
Umm...I'd still get it.

I watched a videotape of Solti talking about this work, it was quite good. Has there ever been as good of an orchestrator since the days of Ravel?
Ravel was simply a natural at this. No way around it.

Time to get my first Kodaly recording ever.
You'll enjoy this one. I had to study the sax part for Hary Janos while in college. That's how I got introduced to it. Never was able to perform it, except in studio class.

Time to get my first Berlioz recording... maybe
*fingers tapping*
Let go of my wallet already!
Berlioz is basically writing a piece of music about someone he is lusting after. The program for this work is great for around Halloween. Heads being chopped off, witches dancing in hell, Dies Irae (Day of Wrath) theme.

There is a prevalent theme, idee fixe, through the entire piece that represents his lust. Right before his head is chopped off (in the 4th movement, a dream), you hear a solo clarinet play the theme, or idee fixe. A large chord sounds (guillotine dropping) and two pizzicato notes representing the head bouncing twice. Then there's a nice grandiose finish that almost sounds like the crowd is singing "He's dead! He's dead! He's dead!" (With "dead" being held out in length).

The liner notes are easy to follow.

The only thing from Music History class that I remember...

Jk. Ok, waaaay out of left field, have you heard of Uri Caine? While also an accomplished jazz musician, he has done some *renditions* (for complete lack of a better word) of works by Mahler, Wagner, Schumann, etc. There is a track on the Goldberg Variations that totally had me r.o.t.f.l.m.a.o. Just thinking about the track is good enough for me to start laffing…

Lastly, not very good sq at all, rather poor, but if you like solo piano, I highly recommend Alicia de Larrocha playing Albeniz, particularly Iberia. Imo, one of my best musical discoveries in the last decade. Wonderful harmonies, rhythms, and virtuousity that makes Chopin look like a walk in the park. I have the score of this as well. Not within the 4 books of Iberia, however, his first work La Vega sounds like Keith Jarrett on massive steroids. His last work, Azulejos is a real gem. I do love solo piano!
I hadn't heard of Uri Caine until just reading that. I'm gonna have to pick up a copy of his *renditions*. I'll also look into the piano suggestions. The only downside to all of this is that I can't really be purchasing anything with a baby arriving anyday/week now! Awesome, but taxing!

I listened to samples on amazon.com and I love the "Tango Variation." Awesome.

Some non-classical suggestions-
Michel Camilo/Tomatito - Spain
Yo-Yo Ma - abrigado Brazil

Oh yeah, get the Shostakovich 1/7 with CSO/Bernstein. You really won't be disappointed.

JUST NO SENDING ME THE BILL! :D

-pat
 
J

jostenmeat

Audioholic Spartan
It's all like riding a bike...a little painful at first, but very enjoyable after the initial tumble. Glad to hear that you're looking to get back into playing.
I appreciate the encouragement.

I've never heard Steve Lacy. I'm more into the lower saxes (tenor, bari) than any of the others. I do love the alto sound. It just doesn't fit into my idea of what I want jazz to sound like (although Desmond rocks...).
Believe it or not, I tend to find the soprano whiny sounding more often than not. I can't stand the prevalence of the Kenny G soprano sound (I'm not saying any more on this subject!)
Oh, and, you better not man! Lacy is a different animal altogether, haha.

If you love Desmond’s sound, you should check out Anthony Braxton. Very similar sounding imo. He modeled his sound after Paul. Just, the content is pretty different. Don’t just buy any disc though, some of it is pretty insane. Anyways, Rec #1 is Six Monk Compositions (*sigh*… I Am So Disappointed With Myself that So Many A Favorite Recording of Mine Has Been Lost… *shaking head*). It’s a straight-ahead quartet including Waldron and N-Hop. Another pretty cool disc is 19 Solo Compositions, 1988. (Very different sounding than 20 solo compositions, fyi). I never owned it, but I remember African Violets being a beautiful circular breathing composition, and one of the later tracks being the closest thing to a true lament that I’ve heard from a jazz musician. However, some of it is pretty abstract indeed. Some of his stuff is not for me, but really, truly loving so much the first rec, Im tempted to try a few of the other existing “standards” discs. Speaking of African Violets, does Fleurette Africaine ring any bells? Its from the must-have “Money Jungle”, triumvirate of Ellington, Mingus, and Roach.

Simply horrible. Great player. Horrible teacher for the younger masses.
That dialog was really funny. *Sigh* I’ve never watched the Ken Burns series on jazz, but didn’t he have a lot to do with it? Or was a simply narrator? I do agree about his great playing, though. My friend played for him in masterclass and was basically pissin his pants. Have you heard his classical? I once heard his Hadyn concerto, and was unbelievably impressed. Anyways, I agree jazz musicians have a lot to learn from their classical counterparts in pedagogy. Then again, iconoclasts like Bernstein don’t come around very often. Good series of stuff by Robert Greenberg, for classical pedagogy on disc/tape.

Alright, I may have overstated the inadequacies of this recording quality. Brassy and fabulous. It's just not as good as some of the Reiner recordings. Still...awesome, intense, engrossing...
Umm...I'd still get it.
LOL. Ok, Ill get Reiner instead. :p

Berlioz is basically writing a piece of music about...
Thanks for the refresher course! I now happen remember briefly touching on (l)’idée fixe (Berlioz) during an intro history course on western music. Amazing how much I have forgotten.

The only downside to all of this is that I can't really be purchasing anything with a baby arriving anyday/week now! Awesome, but taxing!
Biggest Congratulations. fwiw, the string quartet on Caine's Schumann disc is very beautiful, heard my friend's recording.

Some non-classical suggestions-
Yo-Yo Ma - abrigado Brazil
I had some beers with two of the musicians on that recording. I am not at all at liberty to say what ensued in this public forum, lol.

Oh yeah, get the Shostakovich 1/7 with CSO/Bernstein. You really won't be disappointed.
Um, ok, maybe I won’t get the Reiner. :p

JUST NO SENDING ME THE BILL! :D
Aw jeez, just great… NOW you tell me? And all this planning and window shopping for nothing, aw, throw me a freakin' bone man!
Yours truly, jostenmeat.
 
pzaur

pzaur

Audioholic Samurai
Jostenmeat
Just so you don't think I'm ignoring your suggestions, I've added them all to my "Wish-List" on my computer. Little-by-little I try knock it smaller...always goes in the other direction!

Keep 'em coming!

-pat
 
pzaur

pzaur

Audioholic Samurai
J

jostenmeat

Audioholic Spartan
Jostenmeat
Just so you don't think I'm ignoring your suggestions, I've added them all to my "Wish-List" on my computer. Little-by-little I try knock it smaller...always goes in the other direction!

Keep 'em coming!

-pat
I wasn't at all. To be honest, this thread is almost overwhelming, in a good way. :D Ugh, I typed a bunch, and accidentally erased most of it, without knowing. I ordered Kodaly, Shota's jazz, Berlioz, Prokofiev, and Dopper. For the few that I passed on for the moment, didn't know which Zemlinksy to get, nor Mahler (pick one for me); the latter are more expensive, and I don't have SACD playback. I also bought my own rec, the 19 solo compositions, and have replaced a few lost discs of mine, including the Braxton Monk disc (no N-Hop, oops, but Niedlinger. $30:(), Brahms 2nd Piano Concerto by Pollini, Money Jungle, etc.

My latest favorite choral work, you might find underwhelming immediately after one of your fine orchestral recordings, but I find the counterpoint and performance to be sublime. Something nice to listen to with baby in one hand, and glass of wine in the other. I have a different choral disc I have in mind, but maybe another time, after I replace that someday too, and make sure its a good rec (I lost it so long ago). Josquin by the Tallis Scholars, who are top-notch, though some recordings do sound better than others. Its the 2nd work for sexti voci that is really nice I find:
http://www.cdconnection.com/details/Peter_Phillips__Josquin:LHomme_Arme_Masses/588148?source=adwords

How about a particular/unique line of recs. Various Bach recordings for solo stringed instrument. When I recommend such things to you, I am yet again afraid I'll have to buy a few for myself :eek: Im sorry, I did not do any comparative shopping whatsoever here.

Cello Suites:
I have this, but a different cover, I love it
http://www.amazon.com/Bach-Cello-Suites-Heinrich-Schiff/dp/B00004Z34I

Or instead, by a much more famous figure, Bylsma, which I've never owned, but heard. IIRC, he plays the 6th as was meant to be, on a 5 string cello. I believe he borrows the 5-string Stradivarius from the US Library of Congress for this one. I think I still prefer my first rec, but I'd have to hear this one again:
http://www.cduniverse.com/search/xx/music/pid/1238685/a/Bach:+Suites+for+Violoncello+Solo+/+Anner+Bylsma.htm

Sonatas and Partitas for Violin, neither of which I own (dunno why) but they are probably the two best:
http://www.amazon.com/Bach-Sonatas-Partitas-Solo-Violin/dp/B000001GXY
http://www.cduniverse.com/search/xx/music/pid/6938773/a/Bach:+Violin+Sonatas+and+Partitas+/+Itzhak+Perlman.htm

Lute Suites (arranged for guitar), also neither of which I own.
my favorite, on 10 string, original keys (which jealous detractors say is pointless due to change of reference A, but whatever):
http://www.cduniverse.com/search/xx/music/pid/1226825/a/Bach:+Lute+Works+/+Stephan+Schmidt.htm

Or, much more famous in the US, on 8 string:
http://www.cduniverse.com/search/xx/music/pid/1007467/a/Bach:+Lute+Suites+BWV+995-998+/+Paul+Galbraith.htm

I find recordings for solo keyboard a lot more difficult to recommend. As fugues are the greatest thing ever in my mind, I have particular ones that I like by particular performers. Anyways, speaking of jazz, classical, and fugues, I once heard Samuel Barber's fugue for piano. The subject has a jazzy character, and the piece itself is a tour de force. Never owned this either.

From the current jazz thread here, I've now also convinced myself to buy my first Albert Mengelsdorff recordings. I can't find any yet! If you spot something, give me a holler. Especially if it has Jaco on it. Innovative jazz trombonist know for his multi-phonic improvisation.

Oh, almost forgot! The Shosta disc I had is a live performance in Tokyo, but I see a couple of other discs might* have the same. This was another replacement. (No, I don't lose all of my discs! Just my favorites:eek:). It's high time I replaced them I suppose.
http://www.arkivmusic.com/classical/album.jsp?album_id=3335



Enjoy your Sunday, Pat.
 
J

jostenmeat

Audioholic Spartan
Two more choral ideas, though I still prefer the one from the above.
Beautiful Martin double mass (sorry I couldn't find a better link):
http://www.hyperion-records.co.uk/details/67017.asp

The ensemble is not quite Tallis Scholars (dunno who is), but still... If only for the novelty of Gorli's work. Micro-tonal insanity, I can't believe people can actually maintain pitches. Reminds me of certain orchestral works of Ives'; I wonder if they don't listen at all to other sections, or just record their own parts separately. I don't suspect it necessarily, but who knows...
http://www.amazon.com/Gesualdo-Sabbato-Sancto-Responsoria-Carlo/dp/B0006MLSVW/ref=pd_ts_m_18/103-7925940-2643033?ie=UTF8&s=music

cheers.

edit: no wonder I couldn't find Mengelsdorff. Its spelled Mangelsdorff, ugh.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Mangelsdorff
 
Last edited:
J

jostenmeat

Audioholic Spartan
Pat,

Last night I talked with someone that I might converse with just several times a year. He got his doctoral in conducting at Cincinnati (great program) a long time ago, and did a lot of work there. He is a cousin of Ernst Krenek, but does not have the nicest things to say about him or his music, haha. I told him about Pat Zaur, and warned him that I might try to rope him in our conversation... because this guys knows his shiznit. He's the type that would read orchestral scores and hear in his head, rather thru a set of speakers, so when he does, its a pretty darn serious session. He's not worked in music professionally for 25+ years now, however.

Anyways, he also loves the Mahler cycle by SFSO. He has the 7th, and is presently in a Mahler+Strauss kick atm. Though he likes their Stravinsky set, he thinks that the Boulez performances are incomparable. And he enjoys the Gardiner Beethoven cycle, but he says there is another period-ensemble performance (performers escaped his memory at the time), that he refers to as a "musician's recording", meaning less sonority, etc, but really, um, straight-forward in a good way (forget how he puts it). He thinks the CSO is probably the greatest ever, in general. (He was also a former trumpeter, grain of salt please:D).

We are planning to do cd collection swaps soon. I said I'll need about a month to get thru my pending acquisitions. Perhaps, if you'd like, I can bring you into our future email dialogue. PM me if interested. Cheers.
 
T

Tod

Audioholic
So I've got somewhere over 700 CDs, about 500 of which are classical. I'd like to be able to go through them all and review them, or even write a paragraph or two about the 50 or so most exquisite ones. But I think not. I will add a few though that from both a musical and auditory viewpoint are both worth a listen and something not likely to come up too often.

Respighi: Church Windows, Brazilian Impression, Feste Roman. Cincinatti Symphony, Lopez-Cobos on Telarc. Absolutely wild orchestral music - the finale of Church Windows builds to a furniture-moving climax, and the final movement of Feste Roman is the craziest music by a major composer I know of. Wonderful rhythmic climax that just won't stop.

Corigliano: Creations. I Fiamminghi, Werthen on Telarc. The composer of the music for The Red Violin, but primariy a concert composer. The title work takes pure orchestral sound and an Ian McKellan narration of the first few chapters of Genesis to depict the creation story from some unrealized TV project in the '80s. One of the clearest, best-sounding recordings I can think of. Very modern, but in the best way. The other pieces on the disc are all worth listening to, Elegy and Voyage for Flute being particularly beautiful.

Corigliano: The Red Violin soundtrack: Great soundtrack, but while in the midst of composing he also wrote a companion concert work that is included on the disc. They recorded it I think just a bit hot, although it would be hard not to. Again, this is a guy who knows how to make sound come out of an orchestra. This piece is amazing, and a little more traditional than Creations. Moving, epic, tragic music.

Part: Te Deum and Berliner Messe. Estonian Philharmonic Chamber Choir, Kaljuste on ECM New Series. Part is a "Spiritual Minimalist" - spare, austere, and deeply spiritual/meditative music. Some of his works are less so, some more, but this disc is probably the best balance as an introduction. The first piece is about 30 mins, a large-scale choral work that reaches a tremendous peak and melts away into pure peace. The last work, the final movement of the Mass, is beyond sublime. It was recorded in a wonderful little Finnish church and has some of the best cathedral acoustics you'll find.

Nielsen: Symphony #4. San Francisco Symphony, Blomstedt. There are other recordings of this out, but this one has my unreserved recommendation for performance and sound. I believe now it's in a 2 disc set with symphonies 5 and 6 - the end of the 6th has some strange music with great bass drum parts too. The 4th though was written right during the transition from Romantic to Modern, and is something of a representation of the battle between life/order and unlife/chaos. A piece I would never be without, and the battle between opposing sets of tympani in the last movement is awesome.

Glass: Timpani Concerto. Royal Liverpool Philharmonic, Schwarz on Orange Mountain Music. Speaking of timpani, why not write a concerto for two performers and I think 13 drums? The outer movements are totally pumped, the middle movement is nice, and there are some really strange sound effects made by the players in the improvisatory cadenza.

Hovhaness: Mt. St. Helens Symphony. Schwarz, Seattle Symphony on Delos or Royal Liverpool Philharmonic on Telarc. The only musical depiction of a volcanic eruption I know of, so not much needs to be said there. He was generally a spiritual composer influenced by Asian music, and the first two movements are so beautiful. The last movement is volcanic. The Delos recording is I think the better performance, but Telarc recorded it well. Same conductor, but the Delos has a slightly more spiritual feel to it.

Hovhaness: Celestial Gate. I Fiamminghi, Werthen on Telarc. Anything with that conductor and orchestra is going to be an amazing recording. This one stands out though. The Symphony 6 (Celestial Gate) and Prayer of St Gregory are very spiritually moving works, and the others while not as amazing are still very good music - the Quadruple Fugue is a great study in technique, and the sound on all is perfect.

Other more normal things I will just list off that again have both sonic and artistic merit and might appeal to a general audience...

Tchaikovsky: Symphonies 2, 4, 6
Saint Saens: Organ Symphony (especially Ormandy on Telarc)
Prokofieve: Symphony 5
Vaughan Williams: Symphonies 1 (choral), 5, 7 (especially Thomsen on Chandos - great organ bit)
Sibelius: Sypmhonies 2, 5
Rachmaninov: Vespers (perfect Russian choral music)
Holst: The Planets. May have already been mentioned. I recommend Gardiner on DG - best Jupiter ever!
A bunch more. Maybe I'll continue later.
 
pzaur

pzaur

Audioholic Samurai
It's been a long time since I checked this thread. I kinda got side-tracked when the school year began. Then my little girl showed up...

-Tod, I'll have to look into the Hovhannes series. I've got Mysterious Mountain with CSO/Reiner, but none of the others. The rest of the lot looks like I need to start looking more contemporary.

Jostenmeat, Cincinnati has a great program in general. Although...they're not all winners that come out. We had a doctoral student who had his masters in conducting from Cinci and we all just wondered if they gave it to him to get rid of him. One of the absolute worst conductors/teachers I have worked with.
I still haven't heard the Gardiner set...it'll happen.
Was your friend thinking of the "Orchestra of the Age of Enlightenment?"

So much out there and too little time to find it all.

-pat
 
3db

3db

Audioholic Slumlord
Favourite classical pieces are

Beethoven Symphonies 3,5,6,7,and 9 but I like the others too
Beethoven Piano Concertoes..all of them.
Mozart Clairenette Concerto and most of his Symphonies
Tchaikovsky 1812 overture, Swanlake, Sleeping Beauty, and Violin Concerto in D
Bach Brandenburg Concertoes and his organ works
Schubert "Unfinished" Symphony
Dvoraks "New World"
Chopin "forgot some of the titles I like"
Brahms Symphony #4....Thanks to the group Yes for introducing me to this.

These are a few that come to mind.
 
J

jostenmeat

Audioholic Spartan
It's been a long time since I checked this thread. I kinda got side-tracked when the school year began. Then my little girl showed up...

-Tod, I'll have to look into the Hovhannes series. I've got Mysterious Mountain with CSO/Reiner, but none of the others. The rest of the lot looks like I need to start looking more contemporary.

Jostenmeat, Cincinnati has a great program in general. Although...they're not all winners that come out. We had a doctoral student who had his masters in conducting from Cinci and we all just wondered if they gave it to him to get rid of him. One of the absolute worst conductors/teachers I have worked with.
I still haven't heard the Gardiner set...it'll happen.
Was your friend thinking of the "Orchestra of the Age of Enlightenment?"

So much out there and too little time to find it all.

-pat
Hey Pat,

been a little while... I hope you are doing well, and I am sure you must be with the wonderful addition to your life. If I haven't already, I'd like to give you my warmest congratulations.

You know, I can't remember the orchestra. However, I remember he said it was a performance of the Barenreiter urtext, which is always a very interesting thing to me. I've since met with my friend, and he was really itching to trade Beethoven collections, even after telling him that I did not think he would enjoy the tempi on steroids. Anyways, I told him much more time was needed. Im being a wuss. I've not been listening as much very recently, but I did go through a serious Beethoven symphony week or two. I wanted to familiarize myself as much as possible so that I could least talk with him.

I know what you are saying about that inept fellow. Every program has them. Heck, its music skool after all. I don't think my friend is that way, though I've never seen him perform of course. Its just the extremely strong impression I have. He's been working for IBM for 25 years, and is the most modest person you will meet. Our mutual aquaintances had no idea about his seriously musical past. They know about mine, and they may take what is said about him seriously if only because it came from my mouth. (Don't you agree its always the humble sort that can amaze, and the pretentious ones that are trying to hide their ineptitudes?).

Anyways, we all have our stories. Though I've known a few Juilliard pianists that were top-notch, I played in an orchestra (looong time ago) for a semester (if not more) with a Juilliard grad. He stuck out like a sore thumb. I don't think he ever worked on ensemble performance.

Even better is the symphony orchestra here in my cosmopolitan area of SoCal... their conductor. He does some large and/or important works in LA on a yearly basis (maybe he's improved, because its been well over a decade since I last saw him). I had a violin teacher (a Romanian who happened to be the concert master of aforementioned orchestra at the time) who was immediately fired one day. Why? He stood up in front of the entire orchestra and just started waving his hands wildly about, and exclaimed something like, "Why can't you count?! What is all this stupid arm waving?!". I don't blame him, because even before this happened, I already thought he looked like a veritable freak show during performances.

Then again, that violinist could tap simultaneous polyrhythms on all four appendages simultaneously. Oh wait, not all poly, but 3 of 4 (2 vs 3 vs 4 vs 5)... I was never a percussionist, but maybe thats easy for them...
 
newsletter

  • RBHsound.com
  • BlueJeansCable.com
  • SVS Sound Subwoofers
  • Experience the Martin Logan Montis
Top