2009-2010 NFL Season

[lsiberian]

Your kidding right? The Packers were clearly a better team than the Patriots in that superbowl.

Of course I'm kidding. But I've heard that nonsense before. People are overly critical of atheletes. My comments were tongue in cheek.

Everyone is talking about how the Cowboys are done on the radio this morning. They are 2-2 not 0-4. Both losses were from Romo turnovers in my view. He's really struggling right now, but every QB goes through this. The question is will he learn from it or fade. I hope the former as a Cowboys fan, but at least we have something back there.

Miami got the schedule shaft didn't they.

 

[lsiberian]

Of course all the hype centers around Brett Favre, but that is what is so great about it. With all the controversy surrounding his retirement and the reason why he is coming back to the NFL, his iconic status as a Green Bay Packer and the notion of him playing for a division rival and fighting for 1st place in the division, it can't get any better than this, it is the best scenerio possible.

This game is also a statement game for Aaron Rodgers (Brett Favres prodigy), also showcasing the best running back in the NFL in Adrian Peterson and another touted young player in Percy Harvin. These teams are both very good. I can't wait.

Wait till January I predict a rematch.

 

[MinusTheBear]

Yeah I see Romo regressing. We will see if he can pull through it. Another quarterback that is fading out of a starting job is Trent Edwards. He just looks aweful. He is playing scared and afraid to throw the ball down field.

Both of these quarterbacks have one thing in common in that they are poorly coached which makes each of their situations that much harder to overcome.

**** Jauron and Wade Phillips both need to be fired. 2 of the worst head coaches in the NFL. They both have had there time and proved once again that they are lame duck head coaches.

 

[lsiberian]

Yeah I see Romo regressing. We will see if he can pull through it. Another quarterback that is fading out of a starting job is Trent Edwards. He just looks aweful. He is playing scared and afraid to throw the ball down field.

Both of these quarterbacks have one thing in common in that they are poorly coached which makes each of their situations that much harder to overcome.

**** Jauron and Wade Phillips both need to be fired. 2 of the worst head coaches in the NFL. They both have had there time and proved once again that they are lame duck head coaches.

Wade is a great defensive coach and our defense is playing lockdown. Problem is Romo isn't getting coached up. He needs someone that know the position to mentor him.

 

[gmichael]

Wade is a great defensive coach and our defense is playing lockdown. Problem is Romo isn't getting coached up. He needs someone that know the position to mentor him.

I think that Romo plays a good game. He just makes too many mistakes at the worst possible time.

 

[aberkowitz]

Yeah I see Romo regressing. We will see if he can pull through it. Another quarterback that is fading out of a starting job is Trent Edwards. He just looks aweful. He is playing scared and afraid to throw the ball down field.

Both of these quarterbacks have one thing in common in that they are poorly coached which makes each of their situations that much harder to overcome.
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To Edwards' credit, he does play behind what has to be one of the 3 worst d-lines in the entire league. That doesn't excuse him from making awful decisions, but the guy is getting battered around like a ragdoll. He has been sacked 16 times so far this year (which works out to a 12% sack percentage), and while I cannot find officail stats for hurries and QB knockdowns, I would bet that he's near the top of both lists. He is also completing just about 60% of his passes, so it's not like he is being totally inaccurate.

I will agree that Jauron is not a very good coach, mostly because he for firied the O-coordinator 1 week before the season started.

 

[lsiberian]

I think that Romo plays a good game. He just makes too many mistakes at the worst possible time.

Yeah, but with coaching I think he could learn not to make those mistakes.

The Cowboys don't use him well either. He's a mobile Elway type, not a drop back passer.

 

[MinusTheBear]

To Edwards' credit, he does play behind what has to be one of the 3 worst d-lines in the entire league. That doesn't excuse him from making awful decisions, but the guy is getting battered around like a ragdoll. He has been sacked 16 times so far this year (which works out to a 12% sack percentage), and while I cannot find officail stats for hurries and QB knockdowns, I would bet that he's near the top of both lists. He is also completing just about 60% of his passes, so it's not like he is being totally inaccurate.

I will agree that Jauron is not a very good coach, mostly because he for firied the O-coordinator 1 week before the season started.

That completion % of 60% is misleading, all he does is checkdown to the RB's. Of course he will have a high completion percentage. He has actually been very inaccurate throwing the ball down field. Tell me how many 300 yard passing games he has had in his career, that right 0. I agree the offensive line is a mess but you have 2 star wr's and you can't get them the ball. He just refuses to throw the ball past 10 yards. And his short timing route passes are way off. That falls on his shoulders.

Actually firing the offensive co-ordinator wasn't a big deal since his quarterback coach over the years took over calling the plays. Someone he is very comfortable with. The system has not changed either so there was nothing new to learn.

 

[darien87]

The Bolts are getting electrocuted tonight.

Darien can't be too happy right now.

Nope. Wasn't happy at all. I was Tivo'ing the game while I washed my car, but I was peeking in at the score every once in a while. Once I saw it was 21-0, I had pretty much given up. At least it enabled me to pretty much fast-forward through the whole first half. I guess the game went over because my stupid DVR stopped taping right after Pittsburgh got that last first down.

Glad to see they came to life at the end. But this being a second half team crap is getting old. The defense was absolutely horrid last night. We are HORRIBLE against the run without Jamal.

To top it off, 2 of my co-workers are Steelers fans.

 

[billy p]

Wade is a great defensive coach and our defense is playing lockdown. Problem is Romo isn't getting coached up. He needs someone that know the position to mentor him.

or a real go to guy at wide receiver! Roy Williams is not that guy and they gave up a ton to get him. What they need IMO...is TO... The Cowboys just look awful, but that's fine by me!


...6 more to go....

 

[aberkowitz]

That completion % of 60% is misleading, all he does is checkdown to the RB's. Of course he will have a high completion percentage. He has actually been very inaccurate throwing the ball down field. Tell me how many 300 yard passing games he has had in his career, that right 0. I agree the offensive line is a mess but you have 2 star wr's and you can't get them the ball. He just refuses to throw the ball past 10 yards. And his short timing route passes are way off. That falls on his shoulders.

Actually firing the offensive co-ordinator wasn't a big deal since his quarterback coach over the years took over calling the plays. Someone he is very comfortable with. The system has not changed either so there was nothing new to learn.

300 yard games are a terrible stat to evaluate a QB on, particularly one running a hurry up/west coast style offense that is BASED on short throws and the running game. Over his career he's only averaged 28 pass attempts per game- considering that a great QB averages 9-10 yards per attempt (Peyton Manning) and an average QB in the NFL averages around 7.5 yards per attempt, you're never going to get to 300 yards throwing that few times. Over the past couple of years the Bills have run as much as they've passed, so the number of attempts is limited. Over the 18 games he's played in the last year, only 8 times has he thrown more than 30 passes. Keep in mind that over those 18 games he's been sacked 39 times.

I cannot speak to how far he has to throw the ball (I cannot find official stats on throw length), but only 25% of his incompletions this year have been due to poor throws (as per Stats Inc), so making the claim that his timing is way off is probably a bit over the top.

 

[MinusTheBear]

300 yard games are a terrible stat to evaluate a QB on, particularly one running a hurry up/west coast style offense that is BASED on short throws and the running game. Over his career he's only averaged 28 pass attempts per game- considering that a great QB averages 9-10 yards per attempt (Peyton Manning) and an average QB in the NFL averages around 7.5 yards per attempt, you're never going to get to 300 yards throwing that few times. Over the past couple of years the Bills have run as much as they've passed, so the number of attempts is limited. Over the 18 games he's played in the last year, only 8 times has he thrown more than 30 passes. Keep in mind that over those 18 games he's been sacked 39 times.

I cannot speak to how far he has to throw the ball (I cannot find official stats on throw length), but only 25% of his incompletions this year have been due to poor throws (as per Stats Inc), so making the claim that his timing is way off is probably a bit over the top.

I am not judging him based solely on 300 yard passing games. I just find it a mind boggling stat that he doesn't even have even 1. Part of his problem is the offense line but the way I look at is that he is checking down to the RB's the entire game. That would be a intersting stat on how many catches the RB's have and total yards after catch. This then can be compared to the Wr's (Evans and Owens most noteably)

The fact that he is dumping it off to the RB's tells me he has time to get through his reads because the RB is not the first option except for a screen pass (half of the total sacks was in the last game). I have watched all the games as well. As a quarterback you gotta get those Wr's the ball. Another interesting stat would be his completion percentage to Wr's this year (throwing the ball down field). This would give you a better idea on his accuracy throwing the ball.

 

[mazersteven]

I think that Romo plays a good game. He just makes too many mistakes at the worst possible time.

You state he "plays a good game", then say "he makes too many mistakes".

IMO you CAN'T play a good game, and make mistakes.

 

[MinusTheBear]

Wow! A Packers defender just took the ball away from Peterson and returned it for a td. Brett Favre looks like his old MVP self. So far this game has lived up to the hype. Very exciting.

 

[CraigV]

Wow! A Packers defender just took the ball away from Peterson and returned it for a td. Brett Favre looks like his old MVP self. So far this game has lived up to the hype. Very exciting.

He does need to get a good handle on the ball. Lots of yards, but also lots of fumbles Tremendous game! That’s how the Vikes need to play every game

 

[aberkowitz]

He does need to get a good handle on the ball. Lots of yards, but also lots of fumbles Tremendous game! That’s how the Vikes need to play every game

I was VERY impressed with the Vikes D-line play (Jared Allen is a beast), but they did give up a ton of passing yards and when he had protection Aaron Rodgers shredded the secondary pretty badly. While the Vikes definitely look like a playoff team, they're going to have to tighten up that D a bit over the course of the season. Even Brady Quinn threw for 200 yards against them!

Interesting dichotomy in the NFL right now between the goods and the bads- there are 4 4-0 teams right now and 5 0-4 teams....

 

[MinusTheBear]

Jared Allen had one of the most dominate games by a single player I have ever seen. Reminded me of Bruce Smith in his prime. Total domination. The Packers have had trouble protecting Rogers all year but he still managed to get the ball down field to his Wr's consistently throughout the whole game even getting sacked 8 times . The only fault I saw in Rogers last night was that poor on a out pattern that got intercepted by Winfield and he held on to the ball too long on a few sacks that were on him. Even that throw on the 4th down late in the 3rd quarter should have been caught and would have made it a 7 point game.

Well what can I say about Brett Favre. If he is healthy and protected by his line he is still one of the best quarterbacks in the league. He made a few throws last night that were unbelievable, his play reminded very much of him in his prime, for the most part a flawless game. Now what the Vikings staff have to to his ensure he stays fresh.

 

[gmichael]

You state he "plays a good game", then say "he makes too many mistakes".

IMO you CAN'T play a good game, and make mistakes.

Don't get me wrong. I wouldn't want him as our QB (Giants fan here in case you didn't know). But he does a lot of good things 99% of the time. That last 1% is a killer though.

 

[MinusTheBear]

Don't get me wrong. I wouldn't want him as our QB (Giants fan here in case you didn't know). But he does a lot of good things 99% of the time. That last 1% is a killer though.

As one radio show host said today discussing quarterbacks called it the "it factor", that undefineable quality of great modern day quarterbacks that does not show up in statistics (Brett Favre, Jim Kelly, Peyton Manning, Montana, Elway, Marino, Aikman). Its one quality the Vikings did not possess at quarteback this year until Favre.

I don't see that "it factor" in Romo nor in other young players such as Brady Quinn. In today's game I see that "it factor" in Eli Manning, Tom Brady and Drew Brees. I'm on the fence about Rivers and Rodgers.

I found that segment really interesting. The radio show host hit the nail on the head.

 

[gmichael]

As one radio show host said today discussing quarterbacks called it the "it factor", that undefineable quality of great modern day quarterbacks that does not show up in statistics (Brett Favre, Jim Kelly, Peyton Manning, Montana, Elway, Marino, Aikman). Its one quality the Vikings did not possess at quarteback this year until Favre.

I don't see that "it factor" in Romo nor in other young players such as Brady Quinn. In today's game I see that "it factor" in Eli Manning, Tom Brady and Drew Brees. I'm on the fence about Rivers and Rodgers.

I found that segment really interesting. The radio show host hit the nail on the head.

Remember, many people did not see the "it" factor in Eli. Even after he won MVP in the Super Bowl. (I'm not one of those people, but they are still out there).
I think that Romo could find his "it". He has potential. But he's got to play better in the clutch.
I always felt that Phil Simms had the "it" factor. Many will disagree because his numbers were not that special, plus he had those happy feet when running. But he made things happen when they were needed most. He stood in there and took his lumps just to get the passes away. His numbers may also have been much better if he was in a different system. I was glad we had him instead.