AcuDefTechGuy Audioholic Jedi Jul 10, 2007 34,057 0 113 Jul 23, 2008 #41 Joe Schmoe said: It is time to put an end to the ridiculous urban legend that Def Techs are "not good for music". Anyone who thinks that has obviously either not heard them at all or not heard them set up properly. In fact, they are at least as good for music as any comparably priced towers, whatever the brand. Click to expand... The big problem is speaker placement and room acoustics. Some rooms are great, while others are terrible. If you listen to DefTechs in a good setup/placement and acoustics, they will sound great. Otherwise, they will sound terrible - just like all speakers out there, including B&W 800 series. For example, if you go to Audio Dimensions in Norman, OK, you would think that B&W speakers sound terrible. If you go to Audio Midwest in Edmond, OK, you would think Paradigm speakers sound terrible. Is it true? Well, in those rooms and with those setups, yes it is true. But in better rooms and setups, they will most likely sound excellent. That's why some people say that DTs sound better in a bigger, better HT environment - probably because the speaker placement and acoustics are better. Certain speakers will fit certain rooms better than others. The OP just needs to make sure it fits well with his room.
Joe Schmoe said: It is time to put an end to the ridiculous urban legend that Def Techs are "not good for music". Anyone who thinks that has obviously either not heard them at all or not heard them set up properly. In fact, they are at least as good for music as any comparably priced towers, whatever the brand. Click to expand... The big problem is speaker placement and room acoustics. Some rooms are great, while others are terrible. If you listen to DefTechs in a good setup/placement and acoustics, they will sound great. Otherwise, they will sound terrible - just like all speakers out there, including B&W 800 series. For example, if you go to Audio Dimensions in Norman, OK, you would think that B&W speakers sound terrible. If you go to Audio Midwest in Edmond, OK, you would think Paradigm speakers sound terrible. Is it true? Well, in those rooms and with those setups, yes it is true. But in better rooms and setups, they will most likely sound excellent. That's why some people say that DTs sound better in a bigger, better HT environment - probably because the speaker placement and acoustics are better. Certain speakers will fit certain rooms better than others. The OP just needs to make sure it fits well with his room.
AcuDefTechGuy Audioholic Jedi Jul 10, 2007 34,057 0 113 Jul 23, 2008 #42 Greg Gable said: Hey, I think DT's are a tad better than BOSE Click to expand... And that's all that matters! Bose is awesome, and if DTs are even better, deductive reasoning tells us that DTs are even better than awesome.
Greg Gable said: Hey, I think DT's are a tad better than BOSE Click to expand... And that's all that matters! Bose is awesome, and if DTs are even better, deductive reasoning tells us that DTs are even better than awesome.
AcuDefTechGuy Audioholic Jedi Jul 10, 2007 34,057 0 113 Jul 23, 2008 #43 mazersteven said: Definitive's 7000 series---built in subs. One mans Overkill, is another mans Headroom. And vise versa. Click to expand... Unless you have actually listened to DTs in a good home theater, not in some showrooms that only care about stuffing as many speakers as possible into their places, just keep your cool and don't pass judgements too quickly. Comment on the speakers that you have actually heard in a good environment. Just because you like Polk speakers better doesn't mean you need to shoot down every comment people make about their positive experiences with DTs. The OP did not ask for anyone to argue whether DefTechs are good or bad. There are proper speakers for all rooms, sizes, and personal preferences. Just audition and find out. Not all speakers are right for everyone, not even Polk.
mazersteven said: Definitive's 7000 series---built in subs. One mans Overkill, is another mans Headroom. And vise versa. Click to expand... Unless you have actually listened to DTs in a good home theater, not in some showrooms that only care about stuffing as many speakers as possible into their places, just keep your cool and don't pass judgements too quickly. Comment on the speakers that you have actually heard in a good environment. Just because you like Polk speakers better doesn't mean you need to shoot down every comment people make about their positive experiences with DTs. The OP did not ask for anyone to argue whether DefTechs are good or bad. There are proper speakers for all rooms, sizes, and personal preferences. Just audition and find out. Not all speakers are right for everyone, not even Polk.
AcuDefTechGuy Audioholic Jedi Jul 10, 2007 34,057 0 113 Jul 23, 2008 #44 The bottom line is you take all reviews (Home Theater Mag, Sound & Vision Mag, Ultimate AV Mag, etc.) with a grain of salt. And you take all personal opinions on this forum as well as all forums with a grain of salt. Just because some speakers sound "terrible" to one person in one room does not mean they will sound terribe to you in your own room. And just because some speakers sound "great" to one person in one room does not mean they will sound great to you in your own room. Another member on this forum recently had to return some highly regarded tower speakers because he thought they sounded "terrible" in his own room. He gave the DT 7006s a try, and loved because they sounded "great" in his room. But it may be the opposite in your own room.
The bottom line is you take all reviews (Home Theater Mag, Sound & Vision Mag, Ultimate AV Mag, etc.) with a grain of salt. And you take all personal opinions on this forum as well as all forums with a grain of salt. Just because some speakers sound "terrible" to one person in one room does not mean they will sound terribe to you in your own room. And just because some speakers sound "great" to one person in one room does not mean they will sound great to you in your own room. Another member on this forum recently had to return some highly regarded tower speakers because he thought they sounded "terrible" in his own room. He gave the DT 7006s a try, and loved because they sounded "great" in his room. But it may be the opposite in your own room.
mazersteven Audioholic Warlord Mar 23, 2005 9,051 0 113 Florida Jul 23, 2008 #45 AcuDefTechGuy said: just keep your cool and don't pass judgements too quickly. Comment on the speakers that you have actually heard in a good environment. Just because you like Polk speakers better Click to expand... I'm not passing judgment to quickly. I've spent a lot of time in front of properly set-up Def Tech 7000 systems, in acoustically treated rooms. I was also thinking of purchasing a Supercube One, and Reference early on in my HT travels. My comments are from speakers I have "Actually Heard". And who said anything about Polks??? Reactions: bandphan
AcuDefTechGuy said: just keep your cool and don't pass judgements too quickly. Comment on the speakers that you have actually heard in a good environment. Just because you like Polk speakers better Click to expand... I'm not passing judgment to quickly. I've spent a lot of time in front of properly set-up Def Tech 7000 systems, in acoustically treated rooms. I was also thinking of purchasing a Supercube One, and Reference early on in my HT travels. My comments are from speakers I have "Actually Heard". And who said anything about Polks???
bandphan Banned Dec 13, 2007 6,619 0 0 56 in a haze Jul 23, 2008 #46 If someone likes DTs, thats great and they should enjoy The one thing that seems to be a consensus with most non owners (and some owners) is that the amount of distortion in the lower frequencies is unacceptable for critical listening. WOULD someone that owns these speakers please provide some in room testing (or Gene) and post some pretty ole graphs to show their distortion levels say at 95db and 108dbs. Reactions: mazersteven
If someone likes DTs, thats great and they should enjoy The one thing that seems to be a consensus with most non owners (and some owners) is that the amount of distortion in the lower frequencies is unacceptable for critical listening. WOULD someone that owns these speakers please provide some in room testing (or Gene) and post some pretty ole graphs to show their distortion levels say at 95db and 108dbs.
J Joe Schmoe Audioholic Ninja Dec 19, 2006 3,051 0 0 Jul 23, 2008 #47 AcuDefTechGuy said: And that's all that matters! Bose is awesome, and if DTs are even better, deductive reasoning tells us that DTs are even better than awesome. Click to expand... Ha Ha. Comparing anything to Bose is an intentional insult (and a rather rude one, at that!)
AcuDefTechGuy said: And that's all that matters! Bose is awesome, and if DTs are even better, deductive reasoning tells us that DTs are even better than awesome. Click to expand... Ha Ha. Comparing anything to Bose is an intentional insult (and a rather rude one, at that!)
AcuDefTechGuy Audioholic Jedi Jul 10, 2007 34,057 0 113 Jul 23, 2008 #48 mazersteven said: I'm not passing judgment to quickly. I've spent a lot of time in front of properly set-up Def Tech 7000 systems, in acoustically treated rooms. I was also thinking of purchasing a Supercube One, and Reference early on in my HT travels. My comments are from speakers I have "Actually Heard". And who said anything about Polks??? Click to expand... Oh, my bad, then. Okay, so I take it back. I guess DefTechs are just not a good fit for everyone. Some love them. Some hate them.
mazersteven said: I'm not passing judgment to quickly. I've spent a lot of time in front of properly set-up Def Tech 7000 systems, in acoustically treated rooms. I was also thinking of purchasing a Supercube One, and Reference early on in my HT travels. My comments are from speakers I have "Actually Heard". And who said anything about Polks??? Click to expand... Oh, my bad, then. Okay, so I take it back. I guess DefTechs are just not a good fit for everyone. Some love them. Some hate them.
AcuDefTechGuy Audioholic Jedi Jul 10, 2007 34,057 0 113 Jul 23, 2008 #49 bandphan said: If someone likes DTs, thats great and they should enjoy The one thing that seems to be a consensus with most non owners (and some owners) is that the amount of distortion in the lower frequencies is unacceptable for critical listening. WOULD someone that owns these speakers please provide some in room testing (or Gene) and post some pretty ole graphs to show their distortion levels say at 95db and 108dbs. Click to expand... Gene did say that he would try to remember to ask DefTech in September for some speakers to review! I hope he gets 5 BP7000SCs + a Trinity Sub for review. I can hope, can't I?
bandphan said: If someone likes DTs, thats great and they should enjoy The one thing that seems to be a consensus with most non owners (and some owners) is that the amount of distortion in the lower frequencies is unacceptable for critical listening. WOULD someone that owns these speakers please provide some in room testing (or Gene) and post some pretty ole graphs to show their distortion levels say at 95db and 108dbs. Click to expand... Gene did say that he would try to remember to ask DefTech in September for some speakers to review! I hope he gets 5 BP7000SCs + a Trinity Sub for review. I can hope, can't I?
AcuDefTechGuy Audioholic Jedi Jul 10, 2007 34,057 0 113 Jul 23, 2008 #50 Joe Schmoe said: Ha Ha. Comparing anything to Bose is an intentional insult (and a rather rude one, at that!) Click to expand... Greg was just being smart and having fun. He knows he loves DefTechs almost as much as he loves Bose. But please, don't tell anyone. Well, Joe, two other forum members auditioned the B&W 802Ds in well acoustically treated rooms, and both were NOT very impressed at all. They were disappointed. The rooms were both professionally acoustically treated. These were in 2 different continents (Europe and USA)! There is a right speaker for everyone. That's cool. Not everyone likes DefTechs because not everyone has the same hearing. Some people think that Bose sounds great. That's cool too. Reactions: billy p
Joe Schmoe said: Ha Ha. Comparing anything to Bose is an intentional insult (and a rather rude one, at that!) Click to expand... Greg was just being smart and having fun. He knows he loves DefTechs almost as much as he loves Bose. But please, don't tell anyone. Well, Joe, two other forum members auditioned the B&W 802Ds in well acoustically treated rooms, and both were NOT very impressed at all. They were disappointed. The rooms were both professionally acoustically treated. These were in 2 different continents (Europe and USA)! There is a right speaker for everyone. That's cool. Not everyone likes DefTechs because not everyone has the same hearing. Some people think that Bose sounds great. That's cool too.
bandphan Banned Dec 13, 2007 6,619 0 0 56 in a haze Jul 23, 2008 #51 Hey Adtg if you want to ship me a pair Ill be glad to do some testing, my table saw hasnt been used in a couple of months Seriously keep hitting DT up to send them to Gene(you know how busy he is), im sure you have some pull over there
Hey Adtg if you want to ship me a pair Ill be glad to do some testing, my table saw hasnt been used in a couple of months Seriously keep hitting DT up to send them to Gene(you know how busy he is), im sure you have some pull over there
AcuDefTechGuy Audioholic Jedi Jul 10, 2007 34,057 0 113 Jul 23, 2008 #52 bandphan said: ...the amount of distortion in the lower frequencies is unacceptable for critical listening. Click to expand... First, they might want to turn DOWN the bass volume knob. Second, studies have shown that distortion in the lower frequencies of 10 % and even 20% is not a biggy in our hearing perception. Again, to the OP, as you can see, we are all DIFFERENT in opinions and preferences.
bandphan said: ...the amount of distortion in the lower frequencies is unacceptable for critical listening. Click to expand... First, they might want to turn DOWN the bass volume knob. Second, studies have shown that distortion in the lower frequencies of 10 % and even 20% is not a biggy in our hearing perception. Again, to the OP, as you can see, we are all DIFFERENT in opinions and preferences.
AcuDefTechGuy Audioholic Jedi Jul 10, 2007 34,057 0 113 Jul 23, 2008 #53 bandphan said: if you want to ship me a pair Ill be glad to do some testing, my table saw hasnt been used in a couple of months Seriously keep hitting DT up to send them to Gene(you know how busy he is), im sure you have some pull over there Click to expand... Well, I think if Gene or Clint would just ask DefTech, they would be happy to send some speakers for review.
bandphan said: if you want to ship me a pair Ill be glad to do some testing, my table saw hasnt been used in a couple of months Seriously keep hitting DT up to send them to Gene(you know how busy he is), im sure you have some pull over there Click to expand... Well, I think if Gene or Clint would just ask DefTech, they would be happy to send some speakers for review.
bandphan Banned Dec 13, 2007 6,619 0 0 56 in a haze Jul 23, 2008 #54 AcuDefTechGuy said: Second, studies have shown that distortion in the lower frequencies of 10 % and even 20% is not a biggy in our hearing perception. Click to expand... IRRC those most studies were refering to frequencies below 30-35hz, and at lower spls
AcuDefTechGuy said: Second, studies have shown that distortion in the lower frequencies of 10 % and even 20% is not a biggy in our hearing perception. Click to expand... IRRC those most studies were refering to frequencies below 30-35hz, and at lower spls
Davemcc Audioholic Spartan Jan 10, 2007 6,561 0 0 The Satellite of Love Jul 23, 2008 #55 AcuDefTechGuy said: The OP did not ask for anyone to argue whether DefTechs are good or bad. Click to expand... So true. And in that light not every unfavorable comment or opinion of DeafTech needs to be challenged by the DeafTech Defense League. It's not likely helping the OP. Let it go already. Reactions: DD66000, mazersteven and bandphan
AcuDefTechGuy said: The OP did not ask for anyone to argue whether DefTechs are good or bad. Click to expand... So true. And in that light not every unfavorable comment or opinion of DeafTech needs to be challenged by the DeafTech Defense League. It's not likely helping the OP. Let it go already.
bandphan Banned Dec 13, 2007 6,619 0 0 56 in a haze Jul 23, 2008 #56 Davemcc said: DeafTech Defense League. Click to expand... ROFLMAO, is that the Bazzaro world to the Justice League
Davemcc said: DeafTech Defense League. Click to expand... ROFLMAO, is that the Bazzaro world to the Justice League
Matt34 Moderator Jul 21, 2005 6,574 0 113 Jul 23, 2008 #57 Davemcc said: So true. And in that light not every unfavorable comment or opinion of DeafTech needs to be challenged by the DeafTech Defense League. It's not likely helping the OP. Let it go already. Click to expand... Dave, you and I must have been thinking the same thing. Last night I had a reply typed up about how it's not wise to upset the Def Tech Mafia. I ended up deciding not to post it.
Davemcc said: So true. And in that light not every unfavorable comment or opinion of DeafTech needs to be challenged by the DeafTech Defense League. It's not likely helping the OP. Let it go already. Click to expand... Dave, you and I must have been thinking the same thing. Last night I had a reply typed up about how it's not wise to upset the Def Tech Mafia. I ended up deciding not to post it.
AcuDefTechGuy Audioholic Jedi Jul 10, 2007 34,057 0 113 Jul 23, 2008 #58 Matt34 said: Dave, you and I must have been thinking the same thing. Last night I had a reply typed up about how it's not wise to upset the Def Tech Mafia. I ended up deciding not to post it. Click to expand... It's a good thing because we were waiting for you outside your place. It's a fair statement. But if anyone were to make the same remarks about any other speakers (B&W, Paradigm, etc.) the fanboys would also be a little defensive, don't you think?
Matt34 said: Dave, you and I must have been thinking the same thing. Last night I had a reply typed up about how it's not wise to upset the Def Tech Mafia. I ended up deciding not to post it. Click to expand... It's a good thing because we were waiting for you outside your place. It's a fair statement. But if anyone were to make the same remarks about any other speakers (B&W, Paradigm, etc.) the fanboys would also be a little defensive, don't you think?
Davemcc Audioholic Spartan Jan 10, 2007 6,561 0 0 The Satellite of Love Jul 23, 2008 #59 Matt34 said: Dave, you and I must have been thinking the same thing. Last night I had a reply typed up about how it's not wise to upset the Def Tech Mafia. I ended up deciding not to post it. Click to expand... Have no fear...you can always ban them...go all RFK on their mafia.
Matt34 said: Dave, you and I must have been thinking the same thing. Last night I had a reply typed up about how it's not wise to upset the Def Tech Mafia. I ended up deciding not to post it. Click to expand... Have no fear...you can always ban them...go all RFK on their mafia.
Matt34 Moderator Jul 21, 2005 6,574 0 113 Jul 23, 2008 #60 AcuDefTechGuy said: It's a good thing because we were waiting for you outside your place. It's a fair statement. But if anyone were to make the same remarks about any other speakers (B&W, Paradigm, etc.) the fanboys would also be a little defensive, don't you think? Click to expand... Absolutely, my statement can apply to any number of brands around here; it just seems you guys have just been on a roll the most recently. Reactions: mazersteven
AcuDefTechGuy said: It's a good thing because we were waiting for you outside your place. It's a fair statement. But if anyone were to make the same remarks about any other speakers (B&W, Paradigm, etc.) the fanboys would also be a little defensive, don't you think? Click to expand... Absolutely, my statement can apply to any number of brands around here; it just seems you guys have just been on a roll the most recently.
