Bryston Model T Floorstanding Speakers

[MinusTheBear]

Don't mind my typo in my last post. You can't have "a peak in a dip". It's a typo. Replace in with and. LOL.

 

[Adam]

Don't mind my typo in my last post. You can't have "a peak in a dip". It's a typo. Replace in with and. LOL.

Gene said that he increased the edit time to six hours - so you can fix it if you want.

 

[monkish54]

1500 Amplifier | Axiom Audio

Is this what Axiom got out of the deal, or was this around before?

I wonder why Bryston changed the cone on the Axiom drivers but left the XO frequency the same. That doesn't make much sense to me. *shrugs*

 

[MinusTheBear]

Axiom class D amps have been out for many years and they have always been built in house by them. They revamped the amps in the last year or so and it was done completely by a different engineer than the unit Gene reviewed a few years back.

 

[gtpsuper24]

I wonder if the Axiom 1500 amp is better than the $700 cheaper Emotiva Reference line? The Axioms weight half of what the Emo amps weight and the Axiom puts out 325wpc and Emotiva does 600wpc.

Emotiva XPA-2 2x 300wpc at 8ohms $799.......Axiom 1500 2x 325wpc at 8ohms $2,380. Wonder if Bryston gave them any help with these new amps, hence the higher asking price?

 

[3db]

Ok gents,

The Soundstage NRC test results are in for the Model T

SoundStageNetwork.com | SoundStage.com | NRC Measurements: Bryston Model T Loudspeakers


Their in depth review..

SoundStage! Hi-Fi | SoundStageHiFi.com | SoundStageHiFi.com Equipment Reviews


I guess I was right to hold off in judging this speaker prematurely in that this speaker is a far cry from a slightly modified version of Axiom's M80.

 

[PENG]

Ok gents,

The Soundstage NRC test results are in for the Model T

SoundStageNetwork.com | SoundStage.com | NRC Measurements: Bryston Model T Loudspeakers


Their in depth review..

SoundStage! Hi-Fi | SoundStageHiFi.com | SoundStageHiFi.com Equipment Reviews


I guess I was right to hold off in judging this speaker prematurely in that this speaker is a far cry from a slightly modified version of Axiom's M80.

The freq response, 35 to 15,000 within 5 dB, and closer to within 3 to 3.5 dB for the most part is definitely better than the newest biggest Axiom model.

 

[gene]

Ok gents,

The Soundstage NRC test results are in for the Model T

SoundStageNetwork.com | SoundStage.com | NRC Measurements: Bryston Model T Loudspeakers


Their in depth review..

SoundStage! Hi-Fi | SoundStageHiFi.com | SoundStageHiFi.com Equipment Reviews


I guess I was right to hold off in judging this speaker prematurely in that this speaker is a far cry from a slightly modified version of Axiom's M80.

Bryston claims 91dB Sensitivity at 1 watt/meter. NRC measured 86.5dB 1 watt/meter
that's a 4.5dB difference!


Too bad they don't measure vertically off-axis to see how the dual tweeters integrate.

Also, too bad the NRC is still doing simplistic sine-sweep harmonic distortion tests. It's nearly impossible to show speaker misbehavior with these type of distortion tests.

 

[cpp]

Bryston claims 91dB Sensitivity at 1 watt/meter. NRC measured 86.5dB 1 watt/meter
that's a 4.5dB difference!


Too bad they don't measure vertically off-axis to see how the dual tweeters integrate.

Also, too bad the NRC is still doing simplistic sine-sweep harmonic distortion tests. It's nearly impossible to show speaker misbehavior with these type of distortion tests.

I see a lot of these test are "smoke and mirror" test.

 

[gene]

I see a lot of these test are "smoke and mirror" test.

I would say that many of them are unrevealing of real world issues. The NRC testing methodology is often very kind to speakers that may or may not have design issues and/or limitations.

 

[3db]

I would say that many of them are unrevealing of real world issues. The NRC testing methodology is often very kind to speakers that may or may not have design issues and/or limitations.

I find it completely baffling how you used to compliment Soundstage's methodology and now have flipped 180 degrees. There testing methodology hasn't changed to make it "often very kind" to speakers.

 

[3db]

I see a lot of these test are "smoke and mirror" test.

Smoke and Mirrors? Really? I'm so happy you are a so called expert with no subject bias by evaluating audio tests from reading a moderators opinions . Good go Einstein. No more smoke n mirrors testing than any other site including Audioholics.

 

[gene]

I find it completely baffling how you used to compliment Soundstage's methodology and now have flipped 180 degrees. There testing methodology hasn't changed to make it "often very kind" to speakers.

I commend any magazine that publishes measurements but it doesn't mean I agree with them all or think they provide enough detail to make a true assessment of product performance. I've written about the limitations of using sine-sweep harmonic distortion tests for speakers in many articles over the last couple of years. I've also spoken to Dr. Floyd Toole on this very topic. If you read my loudspeaker articles you would see this. This is also why I invested so many resources in developing our loudspeaker measurement protocol which helps to address some of my concerns but even that is still far from perfect. Perhaps do a little more reading of our tech articles before putting words in my mouth or making assumptions.

 

[cpp]

Smoke and Mirrors? Really? I'm so happy you are a so called expert with no subject bias by evaluating audio tests from reading a moderators opinions . Good go Einstein. No more smoke n mirrors testing than any other site including Audioholics.

Hey You Wish You were Einstein, and I never said I was a so called expert. Opinions are like ******** and we all got them and that includes people that post to a thread. And PS: hey Einstein can you prove the data on the Bryston speakers are not slanted in their favor ( smoke and mirrors)

 

[gene]

Recommended Reading

As you can see, I've been quite vocal about loudspeaker distortion measurement for some time:

Loudspeaker Measurements Standard: Our Procedure for Objectively Analyzing Speaker Performance | Audioholics
Loudspeaker Sensitivity Specifications & Measurements Explained | Audioholics
Identifying Legitimately High Fidelity Loudspeakers: Myths & Facts about Crossovers | Audioholics
Audio Measurements: The Useful vs. the Bogus in Consumer Audio | Audioholics
The Insanity of Marketing Disguised as Science in Loudspeakers | Audioholics

 

[3db]

Hey You Wish You were Einstein, and I never said I was a so called expert. Opinions are like ******** and we all got them and that includes people that post to a thread. And PS: hey Einstein can you prove the data on the Bryston speakers are not slanted in their favor ( smoke and mirrors)

No, I don't wish to be Einstein. There is no affiliation with Soundstage and Bryston. They don't have a store front associated with their page unlike others so there is no reason for them to slant tests in their favour. I would like you to back up this statement but I know you will fall on flat your face for trying so I'll save you the embarrassment.

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

First, I have a feeling the Bryston speakers will sound very good or even great. And so will the Axiom speakers.

But I still think the fact that it is made by Axiom will hurt the sales.

If it were made by PSB, it would have been better IMO.

Bryston should have partnered with PSB IMO.

 

[billy p]

PSB is already partnered with NAD.

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

PSB is already partnered with NAD.

True, but is it EXCLUSIVE?

We know ATI makes amps for MOST amp companies in North America, including some models for Mark Levinson, JBL Synthesis, Cary Audio, Theta, and others.

So I see no reason why PSB couldn't make speakers for Bryston with a Bryston label (and specification).

 

[3db]

I posted the Soundstage measurements and description to show that these speakers are more than slightly modified Axiom M80s. They are a different speaker with different drivers and different cabinet. That was my point. I'm not stating nor am I vouching that they are worth their asking price. My gut feels tells me no. I apologize to you Gene if you think I implied that Audioholics used smoke and mirror testing. That was not the point I wanted to convey. I wanted to convey the point that other sites publish their test methodologies as well but yet its Soundtsage that gets wrongly accused for covertly trying to design their tests to promote a particular product.