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[Irvrobinson]

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I know, I know. One too many times.

How much you want to bet I won't buy another powered sub or speaker? Active is fine, but not internally powered.

No bet. You don't like powered subs, and there are very few active speakers on the market.

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

I know i dont post on here very much, and sometimes im a bit of a jerk... but be intrigued by the speakers, and dont stop being intrigued until you at least hear a pair once. I love my 8.1P's and 18.0 TSADv2 sooooooo muuuch they are coming to the grave with me. And im super stoked that someone loves his Funk gear as much as i love mine.

it kinda looks like your grilles are standing off of the cabinet... are they? or is it just the pic?

PS - Thanks Nathan for the v2 option. that little bit more output and tight feel is killer for gun fire and explosions. (opening scene of Quantam of Solace in DTS) you should totally offer it again, nothing wrong with extra dB's for switching out the cone and surround.

Yes, totally love the Funk subs. If I had known I was going to buy the B&W 802D2 at the time I bought the F18s, I would have opt for the TSADv2 as well since it is the Rohacell woofers. My B&W has the Rohacell woofers.

Yes, the grille stands off the cabinet due to the woofer.

 

[manwithnocape]

Yes, totally love the Funk subs. If I had known I was going to buy the B&W 802D2 at the time I bought the F18s, I would have opt for the TSADv2 as well since it is the Rohacell woofers. My B&W has the Rohacell woofers.

Yes, the grille stands off the cabinet due to the woofer.

thought so. it looks like the grille is thicker is some other pics ive seen, and yours looks much slimmer. guess Funk put it on a diet. and given how much travel my driver has, i would guess that the grille would have to stand off... so the driver doesn't beat it to death.
I agree with the v2. the v1 is great, but (in my opinion) the v2 is a better driver for a sealed application. Granted the differences are the cone and surround and some other minor bits, the fact is that it has different sound characteristics that are measurable. I just hope im not the only one with a TSADv2.

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

thought so. it looks like the grille is thicker is some other pics ive seen, and yours looks much slimmer. guess Funk put it on a diet. and given how much travel my driver has, i would guess that the grille would have to stand off... so the driver doesn't beat it to death.
I agree with the v2. the v1 is great, but (in my opinion) the v2 is a better driver for a sealed application. Granted the differences are the cone and surround and some other minor bits, the fact is that it has different sound characteristics that are measurable. I just hope im not the only one with a TSADv2.

Yeah, the TSAD would beat the grille to death.

I would like to know why the TSADv2 is not offered anymore. Availability?

 

[funky waves]

Yeah, the TSAD would beat the grille to death.

I would like to know why the TSADv2 is not offered anymore. Availability?

Yes parts availability, we are working on it. It does have two small drawbacks and that is mechanical travel is a tiny bit less(not an issue in the sealed design) and the cost is significantly higher.

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

Yes parts availability, we are working on it. It does have two small drawbacks and that is mechanical travel is a tiny bit less(not an issue in the sealed design) and the cost is significantly higher.

So what is the advantage of the v2 vs v1 ?

The v2 has 1 or 2 dB higher output from 20-100?

Which one is more "durable" ?

 

[funky waves]

It offers ~1.5db higher efficiency under 30hz(although maximum output is the same as under 30hz output is linear excursion limited) and over 100hz, basically matched 30hz-100hz. It also gives it a little lower total Q leading to a little "drier" sound. Both are equal "durability" wise.

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

It offers ~1.5db higher efficiency under 30hz(although maximum output is the same as under 30hz output is linear excursion limited) and over 100hz, basically matched 30hz-100hz. It also gives it a little lower total Q leading to a little "drier" sound. Both are equal "durability" wise.

Okay, so the v2 has 1.5dB more output under 30Hz, but the same bass output from 30-100Hz.

So what is the Q-value of the v2 and v1?

As tight as the v1 is, I assumed it had a Q-value of 0.5.

 

[manwithnocape]

It offers ~1.5db higher efficiency under 30hz(although maximum output is the same as under 30hz output is linear excursion limited) and over 100hz, basically matched 30hz-100hz. It also gives it a little lower total Q leading to a little "drier" sound. Both are equal "durability" wise.

"Drier" yes, accurate yes, higher price yes... but worth every penny if you are looking for transparency.
Nathan: did i get a "one-off"? you dont have to answer that... i just want to feel special.

 

[billy p]

Nice to see a Funk Audio ad....congrats to both parties....

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

Did I tell you guys I'm addicted to the Funk 18.0 subs?

It's very cliche, but every song just seems to sound better with them. Again, very cliche, but the bass is so musical and fascinating and exciting. Listening to Dark Knight Rises soundtrack, I can hardly catch my breath. Exhilarating. Breathtaking. Intoxicating. An absolute delightful experience.

 

[billy p]

Did I tell you guys I'm addicted to the Funk 18.0 subs?

It's very cliche, but every song just seems to sound better with them. Again, very cliche, but the bass is so musical and fascinating and exciting. Listening to Dark Knight Rises soundtrack, I can hardly catch my breath. Exhilarating. Breathtaking. Intoxicating. An absolute delightful experience.

Have you had the opportunity to compare the SQ of your Rythmik D15SE vs. FA 18.0 TSAD's. My concern here is how they sound at normal to moderate listening level with muisc...I know it's not exactly an apples to apples compo given their designs but every driver has a different pitch or tonal quailty regardless of their designs and the Rythmik have being categorized as excellent musical subs?

If Nate comes out with a 15 version or similar of that sub...I would have it built to match the grain(ie: bamboo) and stain of my Sierras.

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

Have you had the opportunity to compare the SQ of your Rythmik D15SE vs. FA 18.0 TSAD's. My concern here is how they sound at normal to moderate listening level with muisc...I know it's not exactly an apples to apples compo given their designs but every driver has a different pitch or tonal quailty regardless of their designs and the Rythmik have being categorized as excellent musical subs?

If Nate comes out with a 15 version or similar of that sub...I would have it built to match the grain(ie: bamboo) and stain of my Sierras.

I'll compare tonight. I've been exclusively listening to music with the Funk. So fun I just couldn't stop and compare.

But I'll compare my 3 subs tonight.

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

I had to make sure the speakers and subs were level matched first. Then I compared some tracks on Dark Knight Rises soundtrack. I have to say the Funk subs sound the best - the most articulating and musical. The Rythmik would be 2nd, follow by the RBH.

But I think the Funk is significantly better.

Now I want to sell my dual Rythmik subs and get a high quality speaker selector or switch box so I can feed the Funk subs to all the speakers.

Russound SDB4.1 or the Bryston Speaker Switch box?

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

First time I listened to Inception soundtrack I didn't think much of it.

Now I'm listening with dual Funk and boy oh boy this soundtrack rocks.

Now all my other speakers are really jealous of the 802D2 for getting paired with dual Funk subs.

Must .................. Get ................ Speaker switch box .........

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

Today I gave both the SX-1010 and D15SE a +3dB cushion over the F18.

For example, if the F18 speaker channel level were 78dB, the SX1010 and D15 would be 81dB.

This decreased the gap on the performance.

I used the Percussion demo song that came with the Phil3 Demo CD, which is a great demo of drums/ bass.

And after further review and consideration, even with the -3dB handicap, the Funk 18.0 leave the other 2 in the dust.

I guess it's not just about output. The Funk just sound more musical with more "clarity" and "presence".

But the +3dB helped the RBH and Rythmik. Output is surely a factor.

BTW, the Rythmik amp is 370WRMS. The RBH has the Crown XLS2500, which is 775WRMS 4ohm. The Funk has the AT2004, which is 300WRMS 4 ohm 20Hz-20kHz 0.03% THD.

 

[GranteedEV]

I think you are confusing average output with dynamic output... channel trims are meaningless compared to power compression....

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

I think you are confusing average output with dynamic output... channel trims are meaningless compared to power compression....

So the channel level is the average output and power compression is dynamic output?

I can definitely tell the difference.

 

[GranteedEV]

So the channel level is the average output and power compression is dynamic output?

I can definitely tell the difference.

Let's say the Rythmik is max SPL 105db and the Funk Audio is max SPL 115db.

Now let's say the level is matched the same. So an 80db tone is 80db. But if the 80db tone has a 110db crest, it gets "squashed" on the rythmik but stays intact on the funk audio. If you set the rythmik level to 83db, it's louder, but the 110db peak is still getting squashed down to 105db - in fact moreso because it "should" have been a 113 peak now!.

***I don't actually know the max SPL of either of these subs so take the above numbers as abritrary and theoretical just to make a point.

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

Let's say the Rythmik is max SPL 105db and the Funk Audio is max SPL 115db.

Now let's say the level is matched the same. So an 80db tone is 80db. But if the 80db tone has a 110db crest, it gets "squashed" on the rythmik but stays intact on the funk audio. If you set the rythmik level to 83db, it's louder, but the 110db peak is still getting squashed down to 105db - in fact moreso because it "should" have been a 113 peak now!.

***I don't actually know the max SPL of either of these subs so take the above numbers as abritrary and theoretical just to make a point.

Ah, that makes perfect sense.

That's why increasing the channel level helped a little. But during those dynamic sounds, the Rythmik and RBH just sounded like they ran out of gas. The Funk sounded so much better during those peaks.

Where are those dynamic peaks usually during music pieces? Between 20Hz-30Hz?