A admin Audioholics Robot Staff member Apr 16, 2004 172 0 0 Feb 26, 2012 #1 The M-1 speakers will run you $250 a pop and the PV1D sub another $1700. For the B&W name, a sub-$3000 5.1 system is pretty reasonable. If you are looking for small speakers not because you can't afford larger ones but because you don't have the space, these should definitely be on your list. While we'll believe the 7.5Hz extension of the sub when we feel it (since you can't hear it), the PV1D seems to have a lot of very impressive technology. The M-1 satellite speakers also look to be top performers given their size. Now all we need to do is measure them and see how they perform in room to be sure. Discuss "Bowers & Wilkins M-1 Compact Speaker and PV1D Sub Preview" here. Read the article. Reactions: User5910
The M-1 speakers will run you $250 a pop and the PV1D sub another $1700. For the B&W name, a sub-$3000 5.1 system is pretty reasonable. If you are looking for small speakers not because you can't afford larger ones but because you don't have the space, these should definitely be on your list. While we'll believe the 7.5Hz extension of the sub when we feel it (since you can't hear it), the PV1D seems to have a lot of very impressive technology. The M-1 satellite speakers also look to be top performers given their size. Now all we need to do is measure them and see how they perform in room to be sure. Discuss "Bowers & Wilkins M-1 Compact Speaker and PV1D Sub Preview" here. Read the article.
D DS-21 Full Audioholic Aug 10, 2011 493 0 0 Feb 26, 2012 #2 "64Hz - 23kHz ±3dB on reference axis. *** The M-1s are 9.8" tall, 4.5" wide, and 6.4" deep" What's the rated sensitivity, 75dB/W/m? Otherwise, I call BS.
"64Hz - 23kHz ±3dB on reference axis. *** The M-1s are 9.8" tall, 4.5" wide, and 6.4" deep" What's the rated sensitivity, 75dB/W/m? Otherwise, I call BS.
smurphy522 Full Audioholic Apr 5, 2005 294 0 28 Houston, TX Feb 27, 2012 #3 PV1D = Death Star of subwoofers. Was anyone else thinking that?
cwall99 Full Audioholic Dec 23, 2007 317 0 28 Feb 27, 2012 #4 Well, according to B&W, they're claiming 85 dB: http://www.bowers-wilkins.com/Downloads/Product/InfoSheet/ENG_FP22608_M-1_Info-Sheets.pdf Not great, but a whole lot better than 75 dB. What gets me are the crazy frequency response specs for that subwoofer.
Well, according to B&W, they're claiming 85 dB: http://www.bowers-wilkins.com/Downloads/Product/InfoSheet/ENG_FP22608_M-1_Info-Sheets.pdf Not great, but a whole lot better than 75 dB. What gets me are the crazy frequency response specs for that subwoofer.
D DS-21 Full Audioholic Aug 10, 2011 493 0 0 Feb 27, 2012 #5 cwall99 said: Well, according to B&W, they're claiming 85 dB: http://www.bowers-wilkins.com/Downloads/Product/InfoSheet/ENG_FP22608_M-1_Info-Sheets.pdf Click to expand... So given Hoffman's Iron Law, the question is, where are they lying? I'm going to guess bass extension. Probably by about an octave. Though they will probably end up being slightly less sensitive at all.
cwall99 said: Well, according to B&W, they're claiming 85 dB: http://www.bowers-wilkins.com/Downloads/Product/InfoSheet/ENG_FP22608_M-1_Info-Sheets.pdf Click to expand... So given Hoffman's Iron Law, the question is, where are they lying? I'm going to guess bass extension. Probably by about an octave. Though they will probably end up being slightly less sensitive at all.
B bikdav Senior Audioholic Jun 15, 2011 512 0 28 Andover, MA Feb 27, 2012 #6 DS-21 said: "64Hz - 23kHz ±3dB on reference axis. *** The M-1s are 9.8" tall, 4.5" wide, and 6.4" deep" What's the rated sensitivity, 75dB/W/m? Otherwise, I call BS. Click to expand... Yea, that frequency response claim does sound out of place given the M-1s size. No speaker like that does that well in the bass or upper-bass for that matter. That said, I did hear the .... um ... now previous M1s at Magnolia Sound [a.k.a. BestBuy]. For their size, they weren't majorly hard to mate with a subwoofer. What grabbed my attention was their lack of shrillness in the highs and there comfortably present lower midrange _ which helped in the subwoofer blending exercise. As impressed as I was, I want to hear the new M-1s when they come around.
DS-21 said: "64Hz - 23kHz ±3dB on reference axis. *** The M-1s are 9.8" tall, 4.5" wide, and 6.4" deep" What's the rated sensitivity, 75dB/W/m? Otherwise, I call BS. Click to expand... Yea, that frequency response claim does sound out of place given the M-1s size. No speaker like that does that well in the bass or upper-bass for that matter. That said, I did hear the .... um ... now previous M1s at Magnolia Sound [a.k.a. BestBuy]. For their size, they weren't majorly hard to mate with a subwoofer. What grabbed my attention was their lack of shrillness in the highs and there comfortably present lower midrange _ which helped in the subwoofer blending exercise. As impressed as I was, I want to hear the new M-1s when they come around.
D DS-21 Full Audioholic Aug 10, 2011 493 0 0 Feb 28, 2012 #7 bikdav said: ***What grabbed my attention was their lack of shrillness in the highs and there comfortably present lower midrange _ which helped in the subwoofer blending exercise. As impressed as I was, I want to hear the new M-1s when they come around. Click to expand... I'd be shocked if, like previous B&W compact designs, they were considerably inferior sounding next to the (IMO both better-made and better-looking as well) KEF KHT3005SE and Tannoy Arena sets, or the NHT Absolute Zero, or the newer and more expensive Paradigm Millennia Ones or little Revel 3" MTM's. (I continue to be utterly shocked at how spectacularly the 3005SE's image, and wish I could get that in a higher-efficiency package with extension legitimately down to 50-80Hz.) Then again, B&W designs for a house-sound that I find colored but that many others seem to enjoy. If these sound like B&W's, they'll probably do well on the marketplace.
bikdav said: ***What grabbed my attention was their lack of shrillness in the highs and there comfortably present lower midrange _ which helped in the subwoofer blending exercise. As impressed as I was, I want to hear the new M-1s when they come around. Click to expand... I'd be shocked if, like previous B&W compact designs, they were considerably inferior sounding next to the (IMO both better-made and better-looking as well) KEF KHT3005SE and Tannoy Arena sets, or the NHT Absolute Zero, or the newer and more expensive Paradigm Millennia Ones or little Revel 3" MTM's. (I continue to be utterly shocked at how spectacularly the 3005SE's image, and wish I could get that in a higher-efficiency package with extension legitimately down to 50-80Hz.) Then again, B&W designs for a house-sound that I find colored but that many others seem to enjoy. If these sound like B&W's, they'll probably do well on the marketplace.
K kini Full Audioholic Nov 30, 2011 426 0 28 Feb 28, 2012 #8 Wonder how they compare with these? Focal Bird (Black) Compact satellite speaker at Crutchfield.com Focal has a good reputation as far as I can tell.
Wonder how they compare with these? Focal Bird (Black) Compact satellite speaker at Crutchfield.com Focal has a good reputation as far as I can tell.
BoredSysAdmin Audioholic Slumlord Aug 21, 2007 15,616 0 113 New Joisey Feb 28, 2012 #9 "The enclosure is vented (ported) but we're not SURE exactly where" Last edited by a moderator: Oct 19, 2014
GranteedEV Audioholic Ninja Jul 14, 2009 4,945 0 113 Calgary, Canada Feb 28, 2012 #10 DS-21 said: "64Hz - 23kHz ±3dB on reference axis. *** The M-1s are 9.8" tall, 4.5" wide, and 6.4" deep" What's the rated sensitivity, 75dB/W/m? Click to expand... that's a 4" vented woofer and these speakers won't have much baffle step compensation if they're desktop speakers. that's an extra ~5db of boost right there from the typical 80db sensitivity a speaker like this would have. it's also what looks like a a thin-ish metal enclosure. It probably doesn't eat up too much internal space. If an Aura NS4 in 2pi space can have an F3 near 50hz in .15 cu ft and still have 84db sensitivity, then this too is believable. Last edited: Feb 28, 2012
DS-21 said: "64Hz - 23kHz ±3dB on reference axis. *** The M-1s are 9.8" tall, 4.5" wide, and 6.4" deep" What's the rated sensitivity, 75dB/W/m? Click to expand... that's a 4" vented woofer and these speakers won't have much baffle step compensation if they're desktop speakers. that's an extra ~5db of boost right there from the typical 80db sensitivity a speaker like this would have. it's also what looks like a a thin-ish metal enclosure. It probably doesn't eat up too much internal space. If an Aura NS4 in 2pi space can have an F3 near 50hz in .15 cu ft and still have 84db sensitivity, then this too is believable.
GranteedEV Audioholic Ninja Jul 14, 2009 4,945 0 113 Calgary, Canada Feb 28, 2012 #11 BoredSysAdmin said: "The enclosure is vented (ported) but we're not SURE exactly where" Click to expand... Google image search shows: Last edited by a moderator: Oct 19, 2014 Reactions: AcuDefTechGuy
BoredSysAdmin said: "The enclosure is vented (ported) but we're not SURE exactly where" Click to expand... Google image search shows:
X xoox Audiophyte Feb 29, 2012 1 0 0 Copenhagen Feb 29, 2012 #12 I have tested the new M-1's and even though they are better than their predecessors, they definitely leaves a lot to be desired. And calling them "full range" as B&W does is simply not correct. The biggest problem with the M-1 (and their predecessors) are the bloated upper bass (175-250 hz) which gives them an "shoe-boxy" sound and is hard to eliminate even in the presence of the mighty PV1. Instead I opted for the Dali Fazon Sat, which in my opinion has a superior sound in every way - much deeper and cleaner bass-response, higher resolution trebles and a much more full and open sound. Nothing beats the PV1, though, and I am excited about the PV1D, which has already been ordered here Reactions: User5910
I have tested the new M-1's and even though they are better than their predecessors, they definitely leaves a lot to be desired. And calling them "full range" as B&W does is simply not correct. The biggest problem with the M-1 (and their predecessors) are the bloated upper bass (175-250 hz) which gives them an "shoe-boxy" sound and is hard to eliminate even in the presence of the mighty PV1. Instead I opted for the Dali Fazon Sat, which in my opinion has a superior sound in every way - much deeper and cleaner bass-response, higher resolution trebles and a much more full and open sound. Nothing beats the PV1, though, and I am excited about the PV1D, which has already been ordered here
AcuDefTechGuy Audioholic Jedi Jul 10, 2007 34,057 0 113 Feb 29, 2012 #13 Put a Marlan head on it, wrap it with 20 layers of beech, coat it with 10 layers of lacquer, and buff it for 4 days, and I will be all over it.
Put a Marlan head on it, wrap it with 20 layers of beech, coat it with 10 layers of lacquer, and buff it for 4 days, and I will be all over it.
theJman Audioholic Chief Oct 15, 2011 959 0 63 Feb 29, 2012 #14 So the model went from "M1" to "M-1"? Pure genius that. No possibility of confusion their... Reactions: GranteedEV
AcuDefTechGuy Audioholic Jedi Jul 10, 2007 34,057 0 113 Feb 29, 2012 #15 I don't sense a lot love for B&W around this neck of the woods. They do look very pretty, don't you think?
I don't sense a lot love for B&W around this neck of the woods. They do look very pretty, don't you think?
GranteedEV Audioholic Ninja Jul 14, 2009 4,945 0 113 Calgary, Canada Feb 29, 2012 #16 AcuDefTechGuy said: I don't sense a lot love for B&W around this neck of the woods. They do look very pretty, don't you think? Click to expand... ....I love B&Ws but i'm more of an Audi guy...........
AcuDefTechGuy said: I don't sense a lot love for B&W around this neck of the woods. They do look very pretty, don't you think? Click to expand... ....I love B&Ws but i'm more of an Audi guy...........
AcuDefTechGuy Audioholic Jedi Jul 10, 2007 34,057 0 113 Feb 29, 2012 #17 GranteedEV said: ....I love B&Ws but i'm more of an Audi guy........... Click to expand... You mean BMW? I think BMW should use B&W in their cars. Lexus uses Mark Levinson. Mercedes uses Nakamichi?
GranteedEV said: ....I love B&Ws but i'm more of an Audi guy........... Click to expand... You mean BMW? I think BMW should use B&W in their cars. Lexus uses Mark Levinson. Mercedes uses Nakamichi?
GranteedEV Audioholic Ninja Jul 14, 2009 4,945 0 113 Calgary, Canada Feb 29, 2012 #18 AcuDefTechGuy said: You mean BMW? Click to expand... There's a difference? Mercedes uses Nakamichi? Click to expand... My dad's ML 350 uses Harman / JBL. nice smooth mids and airy highs but the bass is like 20db high.
AcuDefTechGuy said: You mean BMW? Click to expand... There's a difference? Mercedes uses Nakamichi? Click to expand... My dad's ML 350 uses Harman / JBL. nice smooth mids and airy highs but the bass is like 20db high.
theJman Audioholic Chief Oct 15, 2011 959 0 63 Feb 29, 2012 #19 AcuDefTechGuy said: I don't sense a lot love for B&W around this neck of the woods. Click to expand... Actually, I like B&W speakers. I think they're over-priced, but the ones I've listened to sound nice to my ears. I have heard the M1's myself, and thought they were quite good for their size. Again, the price was an issue, but they had a rich and detailed sound to them.
AcuDefTechGuy said: I don't sense a lot love for B&W around this neck of the woods. Click to expand... Actually, I like B&W speakers. I think they're over-priced, but the ones I've listened to sound nice to my ears. I have heard the M1's myself, and thought they were quite good for their size. Again, the price was an issue, but they had a rich and detailed sound to them.
D DS-21 Full Audioholic Aug 10, 2011 493 0 0 Feb 29, 2012 #20 GranteedEV said: that's a 4" vented woofer and these speakers won't have much baffle step compensation if they're desktop speakers. that's an extra ~5db of boost right there from the typical 80db sensitivity a speaker like this would have. Click to expand... True, but that also means less bass extension. GranteedEV said: it's also what looks like a a thin-ish metal enclosure. It probably doesn't eat up too much internal space. Click to expand... Neither do the metal cabinets of the similarly-sized KEF HTS3005 or Tannoy Arena. Both of which are good for about 120-150Hz on a good day. AcuDefTechGuy said: I don't sense a lot love for B&W around this neck of the woods. They do look very pretty, don't you think? Click to expand... I'm not sure they're any better-looking than these: (KEF KHT3005SE) or these: (Tannoy Arena) or these: NHT Absolute Zero or these: Paradigm Millennia One or these: Revel M8 But it's nice that there are more options now for people who need good-looking compact speakers. A decade ago, someone whose decor required small speakers had pitifully few high-quality options. Reactions: AcuDefTechGuy
GranteedEV said: that's a 4" vented woofer and these speakers won't have much baffle step compensation if they're desktop speakers. that's an extra ~5db of boost right there from the typical 80db sensitivity a speaker like this would have. Click to expand... True, but that also means less bass extension. GranteedEV said: it's also what looks like a a thin-ish metal enclosure. It probably doesn't eat up too much internal space. Click to expand... Neither do the metal cabinets of the similarly-sized KEF HTS3005 or Tannoy Arena. Both of which are good for about 120-150Hz on a good day. AcuDefTechGuy said: I don't sense a lot love for B&W around this neck of the woods. They do look very pretty, don't you think? Click to expand... I'm not sure they're any better-looking than these: (KEF KHT3005SE) or these: (Tannoy Arena) or these: NHT Absolute Zero or these: Paradigm Millennia One or these: Revel M8 But it's nice that there are more options now for people who need good-looking compact speakers. A decade ago, someone whose decor required small speakers had pitifully few high-quality options.
