Considering the purchase of an Home Audio EQ

dapack69

dapack69

Senior Audioholic
I understand you say you have no money for speakers right now, but you could start saving for some. Even its just $50 a month, that would be a lot better then nothing, now if you could save more that would be great.

You could also go and audition speakers to get an idea what you like and don't like. Then you could keep a look out on Craiglist or search the web for great deals.
 
TapeMaster

TapeMaster

Audioholic
Would you find a Pioneer EQ in a Professional Recording Studio? I was told the one I wanted was 12 band stereo but in fact I think it's really 24?
 
KEW

KEW

Audioholic Overlord
Depending on the model, I think you could.
You do understand that a12 band stereo eq would have 24 sliders. Sometimes all of the right channel sliders are on the right side, and sometimes a single right and a single left slider will be side by side for each frequency band.

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Would you find a Pioneer EQ in a Professional Recording Studio? I was told the one I wanted was 12 band stereo but in fact I think it's really 24?
 
TLS Guy

TLS Guy

Audioholic Jedi
Would you find a Pioneer EQ in a Professional Recording Studio? I was told the one I wanted was 12 band stereo but in fact I think it's really 24?
I would really doubt you would see a Pioneer equalizer on a pro studio. equalizers have separate faders for left and right channels. So if there are 24 faders it is 12 band.
 
TapeMaster

TapeMaster

Audioholic
Technics EQ SH-8020 Any Good MSRP? NOT sure if I want to go with a Pioneer,Nikko,Technics. What is the best Stereo Graphic Equalizer?
 
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highfigh

Seriously, I have no life.
Would you find a Pioneer EQ in a Professional Recording Studio? I was told the one I wanted was 12 band stereo but in fact I think it's really 24?
I don't remember a Pioneer that had left and right sliders next to each other- they either had one for both channel or each channel grouped together.

If you're planning to buy better speakers, I would use the money you were thinking of using for the EQ and put it toward the speakers. Using an equalizer to make up for a speaker's short-comings doesn't work and it can lead to the destruction of speakers that can't handle much power. OTOH, if you have great speakers, it's likely that you won't need an equalizer.
 
TapeMaster

TapeMaster

Audioholic
Oh believe me Those Speakers I have now will take a lot of power 100 watts Max Input.
 
dapack69

dapack69

Senior Audioholic
Oh believe me Those Speakers I have now will take a lot of power 100 watts Max Input.
They may say they take a lot of power, but the quality of the speakers is whats on the lowend of the todem pole. Hence why they sound like they do.
 
TapeMaster

TapeMaster

Audioholic
Hey I have an issue with my Integrated amp and need suggestions and help Ok so all inputs on amp work but Tape 2 Input only plays one speaker I have a Component 8 track player deck made by Realistic hooked to that input it all worked good before what is going on now?
 
TLS Guy

TLS Guy

Audioholic Jedi
Hey I have an issue with my Integrated amp and need suggestions and help Ok so all inputs on amp work but Tape 2 Input only plays one speaker I have a Component 8 track player deck made by Realistic hooked to that input it all worked good before what is going on now?
Did you switch the channel leads from the tape player to make sure that it is not the tape player?

If when you switch the leads and the dead speaker now works it is the tape player or the cable.

To make sure it is not the cable, change cables.

If the fault is in the amp and you are sure you have one channel of that input that is dead, then the unit will require service.

What is that amp anyway.
 
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highfigh

Seriously, I have no life.
Oh believe me Those Speakers I have now will take a lot of power 100 watts Max Input.
That may be but for every 3dB of increase on an equalizer band, you have increased the power in that range by about double and if it's raised by 6dB, it's 4 times the power. Since the tendency for equalizer users to increase the level of a band until it's audible, that can mean the band is jacked up by as much as 12dB, which translates to 16 times the power. If you're listening to music and the power produced is 10 Watts, it meant that band is trying to produce 160 Watts. If the amp can produce that amount cleanly, great but often, it can't. That means the speaker is getting more than it can handle and if the amp can't produce that level cleanly, it distorts badly, which will kill the speakers. It's a vicious cycle.

I don't remember seeing the output power of your amp, either.

The non-working channel of your Tape 2 may be a dirty switch- it's common, especially if that switch hasn't been used much or at all in a long time. Flip it or press it repeatedly while signal is going through it and you may hear crackling or intermittent sound- if this happens, you may need to use contact cleaner on the controls and switches. If the amp is older, it's probably due for this, anyway.
 
TLS Guy

TLS Guy

Audioholic Jedi
If your speakers are ported, you can't Eq the bass at all. The reason is that below the lowest frequency the speaker produces, it decouples from the cabinet. The woofer just loved violently as you apply Eq, but paradoxically produces no increase in bass. It just damages the woofers.
 
TapeMaster

TapeMaster

Audioholic
The amp is an Onkyo ARV-410. Power output is around 100 watts Per Channel.
 
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TapeMaster

TapeMaster

Audioholic
I can't replace the cables on the tape player as they are hardwired into it. Was working until a couple days ago never unplugged the hook up cables never came loose.
 
TLS Guy

TLS Guy

Audioholic Jedi
I can't replace the cables on the tape player as they are hardwired into it. Was working until a couple days ago never unplugged the hook up cables never came loose.
Well I need to know if that input works with another source.

I have downloaded a service manual for your unit with all the schematics. Unfortunately your unit is not simple. The moderns have done their dastardly work.

The tape switch does not actually do the switching. It discharges a capacitor which activates a gated MOSFET switching IC (Q302). One switch therefore switches both channels. So if it is switching the left channel, then the switch is OK.

So more than likely if it turns out to be the amp, Q302 will likely have to be replaced. If you can get it.

Q302 has thirty pins and so replacing it will be a bear. Without having the unit on my bench, I would not be able to confirm that as the problem, but I suspect that would be most likely.

You must check further and see if the left and right tape two inputs work or not. You are dabbling in old cheap and nasty tape players which are much more likely to go wrong than your integrated amplifier.

I'm going to keep a copy of your service manual on my hard drive in case you need further help.
 
TapeMaster

TapeMaster

Audioholic
TLS Guy More than likely it still works but unable to check. Amp came out in 1990's I'm not going to pay you for repairs or the Service Manual. No Money Sorry! Thank you for helping me out though!
 
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dapack69

dapack69

Senior Audioholic
TLS guy would probably fix it for free minus shipping and the part needed. He probably invented half the circuits in the thing anyway. Going by his vast knowledge I've seen him shown over the years here.

The manuel anyone can download for free from online.
 
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