Considering the purchase of an Home Audio EQ

TapeMaster

TapeMaster

Audioholic
Are they usually labeled bass and treble when I slide the levers up and down?
 
H

highfigh

Seriously, I have no life.
Were the 12 band ones the most exspensive?
Depends on the level of quality. You'll find out eventually, but I'll save you a lot of time here- an equalizer is one of the most efficient devices for screwing up the sound of a good system if you're not up to speed on which frequencies need help, and how much they need to be adjusted.

A good EQ will make the needed changes without causing problems and not many of the sub $300 models from the '70s and '80s fell into the "good" category. Many were really noisy, some did more harm than good and if you boost certain frequencies by a large amount, you can blow your speakers faster than you'd believe.

The main rules of equalization-
1) A little goes a long way- don't overdo it.
2) If you find that the high and low extremes need to be boosted, you're better off dropping the middle out and using the level control to retain the original SPL. This will keep the noise floor where it should be- at the bottom.
3) An equalizer isn't a way to add volume and it's not a power booster. Increasing the level with an equalizer will cause your amp to run out of headroom and that leads to massive distortion.
 
TLS Guy

TLS Guy

Audioholic Jedi
Were the 12 band ones the most exspensive?
Not necessarily. Quality of the unit was important. The most important issue is that you have to use all analog equalizers sparingly, as the resonant tuning circuits really affect sound quality. So judicious use is the word.

For what I think you are using it for a ten band will be plenty.

To make tape hiss less intrusive, then pulling down the 5 kHz slider helps.

If you are trying to brighten a tape, this just about never works or you get unacceptable hiss.

The problem with tape recorders is they go out of adjustment. Also a decent cassette or reel to reel machine was an expensive proposition if you wanted decent wow and flutter and frequency response.

If you try and use Eq to compensate for a poor, or poorly adjusted machine it dose not work.

To set a machine up, requires the correct alignment tapes, a really good amplified meter, that is accurate in the mv ranges, a signal generator and a frequency counter/wow and flutter meter. A two channel scope is also an asset.

Setting up a tape recorder is a skill and an art and becoming lost.

If you really want to get into magnetic tape and make it a long term interest, you need to invest in this type of equipment and study and preferably be taught how to set up tape machines.

I have set up tape machines since I was in my teens. I would imagine owning tape machines is very frustrating if you don't own the right equipment and have the skills, especially now the machines are getting to advanced age.

I don't know if your interest is a passing fad, or if you intend to have it a serious hobby. Preserving tape machines in good working condition is much more complex than preserving turntables by many orders of magnitude.

If machines are to survive then the knowledge must be passed on to the younger generation.
 
TLS Guy

TLS Guy

Audioholic Jedi
Are they usually labeled bass and treble when I slide the levers up and down?
No they are labeled with the center of the frequency band they boost or cut. There is a center detente for flat and then a plus minus scale marked in db. The scale usually moves in 3 db increments + and -. Range is usually +/- 15 db. However if you have to move a fader more then =/- 6db it usually does not work out well.

Obviously the bands of the equalizer overlap to a degree. The more bands the narrower the width of the frequencies each fader is operative over. In engineering terms the resonant circuits for each fader have a smaller Q value the more bands you have.
 
H

highfigh

Seriously, I have no life.
I don't want to adjust anything except the Bass.
What's wrong with the bass control?

If you adjust only the lowest frequencies, I can guarantee the woofers won't live long. Boosting frequencies that the speakers can't produce makes them move uncontrollably and they tend to come apart.
 
TLS Guy

TLS Guy

Audioholic Jedi
I don't want to adjust anything just the Bass.
Why do you want to adjust the bass? If all your tapes sound bass light or bass heavy, then the equalization of the machine is off and or head alignment problems.

Cutting bass will be fine. However boosting bass will be problematic as tape machines have a degree of bass flutter. If you boost the bass a lot you won't like what you hear.

In general tape machines have a poor bass response, because of the limitations of tape heads especially Far Eastern ones. That was a limitation of even the Japanese pro machines. Only Herr Willi Studer seemed to master the art of building tape heads that extended flat to 20 Hz. His glass heads like I have on my Revox machines are in a class of their own.

For most domestic (not pro or semi pro) cassette machines, they will start rolling off at 60 Hz as a rule and be all done between 30 and 40 Hz, with nothing left to equalize.
 
TapeMaster

TapeMaster

Audioholic
Ok what your saying is adjust everything not just the Bass? My Onkyo speakers lack bass.
 
TLS Guy

TLS Guy

Audioholic Jedi
Ok what your saying is adjust everything not just the Bass? My Onkyo speakers lack bass.
I'm saying ditch Onkyo speakers, they are toys! If you Eq those, as Hi-Fi says you will destroy them.

As a general rule Far Eastern Speakers are to be ruthlessly avoided.
 
TapeMaster

TapeMaster

Audioholic
Sorry that is all I have i'll have to use those for now! I won't adjust the EQ much just little by little don't wanna blow em up! I'm also going to use different more heavy duty Speaker Wire.
 
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TLS Guy

TLS Guy

Audioholic Jedi
Sorry that is all I have i'll have to use those for now! I won't adjust the EQ much just little by little don't wanna blow em up! I'm also going to use different more heavy duty Speaker Wire.
Before you buy anything else, you need to buy a decent set of speakers. You won't get any more out of your speakers with an equalizer. That is a total waste of time and money.
 
TLS Guy

TLS Guy

Audioholic Jedi
Why not just get a seperate subwoofer?
Decent speakers before a sub any day. With what he is playing with, there will be nothing for a sub to do anyway. The sub should always be the last item to have anyway, and get the lowest priority.
 
TapeMaster

TapeMaster

Audioholic
No money for speakers I don't believe in subwoofers I like the old way two Stereo Speakers and an EQ. My Onkyo Speakers are rated at 100 watts RMS they feature 1 tweeter,Midrange,2 10" Woofers in the cabinets.
 
TapeMaster

TapeMaster

Audioholic
TLS Guy Onkyo is a Midrange through TOTL Brand in Stereo equipment. People always told me it was better than any Kenwood.
 
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TapeMaster

TapeMaster

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Whats the deal with BSR Equalizers People are claiming them to be HIGHEND I thought it was the very BOTTOM OF THE BARREL?
 
dapack69

dapack69

Senior Audioholic
TLS Guy Onkyo is a Midrange through TOTL Brand in Stereo equipment. People always told me it was better than any Kenwood.
Onkyo electronics are better then Kenwoods. Onkyo is not known for their there speakers being on the upper scale.
 

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