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JerryLove

JerryLove

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Shakey,

Tube-and-vinyl is a legitemate taste. I would assert that both color the sound, but that they do so in a way that many find pleasing. If you believe that the accuracy is higher on tube and/or vinyl then yes, we would disagree. If you simply prefer the sound: I can understand where you are coming from.

Yes. You and I disagree on the effect of cables but the affect of feet is going to be more relative, and certainly does potentially effect the coupling of the cabinet to the floor (and that can have any number of audio effects, both good and bad). With a carpeted-concrete floor I think, for my setup, the effect of feet is generally minimal.

I suppose my question was more on what other brands/models you have experience with that you had particularly enjoyed or disliked before coming to GMA. Salk, Paradigm, B&W, McIntosh?
 
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Shakeydeal

Junior Audioholic
Jerry,

I remember reading reviews of the Continuum 1.5 and Diamante years ago, but kind of dismissed them at the time. A friend of mine bought a pair of the entry level Europas many years ago and I was so impressed with that 1K speaker that I sought out other offererings from Roy. I first bought the Imago IIIs on the used market. I loved everything about them with the exception of a midbass hump that I could not tame in my room.

I moved on to other speakers for a while, then bought a pair of Callistos and paired them with a ML Depth sub. Actually the Callistos replaced a pair of 10K PBN Montana speakers. Long story short, I ended up with the C3s after buying and being disappointed with a pair of Wilson Audio Sophias. I had a chance to compare the two speakers side by side and the C3s sounded (and do to this very day) more like real musicians in my room.

Speakers that I have owned over the years:

Von Schweikert VR4 Silvers
Magnepan 1.6 with heavily modified outboard xovers
ACI Jaguars
PBN Montana SP2
Meadowlark HR Shearwater
Reimer McCullough
Silverline Sonata II
Magnepan 3.5
Von Schweikert VR4 Gen III HSE
PBN Montana EPS2
Piega P-10
Wilson Audio Specialties Sophia
Coincident Super Eclipse
 
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Mauimusicman

Audiophyte
Aloha Jerry

I'm a singer/songwriter/recording engineer from Hawaii. I'm the proud owner of two sets of GMA speakers. I have the little Rio's for my recording studio and the flagship Calypso's for my main listening system. I have played music since the late 1960's, and been recording since 1972. I sold high end audio for about a decade, so I've heard a LOT of speakers. For me, the realism of the GMA brand is what keeps me buying them. They don't alter the sonic picture as some speakers do. They don't add 3db of kick you in the chest bass at 120hz or bring your attention to the tweeter. They simply give you whats on the recording without screwing it up like most other speakers do.
Vocal and instrument reproduction are scary real. Just recently, I was comparing the Rio's to the Adams 3 studio monitors another engineer uses. On the GMA speaker, it was easy to hear the drummer hitting the snare in different spots on the skin in a recording recently done. Sometimes in the center, other times closer to the rim. That tells you the drummer is carbon based, and not a drum machine. They allow you to hear the human element...drums played harder and softer...that's real, guitar player picking with emotion, etc. On the Adam's speakers, all this was smeared by the lack of coherency in the time domain. Another poster hear said he didn't know if he could hear the difference between time coherent and non time coherent. Trust me, it's easy. Hearing things like this is critical in the recording process. I think it's critical also to musical enjoyment at home. With the Calypso's, I find it easy to hear, for example, the Joni Mitchell "Blue" album uses different vocal mics on different songs (Confirmed by Steve Hoffman who remastered the album), or that the Acoustic Alchemy album "This way" uses multiple engineers on it. Many people have the Blue album. If you have it, put it on and try to hear different mics. Should be quite easy to hear, If your speakers are smearing that, imagine what else your not hearing. Those are the types of things GMA products allow you to hear. It's a whole new added level of musical enjoyment we never knew existed. I can hear on my own recordings that the guitar is not only a Martin guitar, but MY Martin guitar. You hear much deeper into the recordings. Other studio's have also added GMA speakers with identical results. I cannot say enough good things about them, and suggest if you get a chance to hear them, to do so. Aloha
 
Swerd

Swerd

Audioholic Warlord
I have been a GMA fan for many years, having owned 3 of Roy's offerings. The Callisto, the Imago, and now the Continuum 3 HD. I can tell you with hand on heart that Green Mountain Audio speakers are the real deal and compete easily with the best available. I welcome anyone reading this post into my home in Virginia to hear the C3s. And I will gladly list other speakers I have owned in the past if anyone is interested.
Shakey

Now you got me curious to hear your speakers. I'm in Gaithersburg, MD. How far away are you in Virginia? You can respond by PM if you don't want to reveal online where you live.

I am quite familiar with Vandersteen model 3a speakers which are also designed to be time & phase coherent. They are among my favorite speakers.
 
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Shakeydeal

Junior Audioholic
Swerd,

I am in Lynchburg, Va. About 50 miles east of Roanoke. You are absolutely welcome to come to my home and hear the C3s.

Shakey
 
JerryLove

JerryLove

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It's surprising to see so many new posters in such a short time. I think we may soon have a lot of information as many are close to known AH members.
I'm a singer/songwriter/recording engineer from Hawaii.
As a recording engineer with such a taste for high-end sound, you must have some terriffically HQ recordings of your songs. What are some that I can get on CD / SACD / DVD-A or HQ digital download? I'm always looking for new HQ material to show off good speaker with (and, for that matter, to add to my listening collection, I do love good guitar).

Do you have a website for your music?

Other studio's have also added GMA speakers with identical results. I cannot say enough good things about them, and suggest if you get a chance to hear them, to do so. Aloha
Isn't there a down-side to using speakers that sound different than the ones your audience will have?
 
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Shakeydeal

Junior Audioholic
Swerd,

The Continuum 3s are so much better than the Vandy 3As it's laughable. But given the price disparity, that's as it should be:)
 
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bocat57

Audiophyte
Proud Owner of Green Mountain Rio Speakers

Hi - All reading this post.

As The title of this post states, I am a proud owner of the Green Mountain Rio stand mounted speakers. I can state to all who read this post that the Rio's are quite exceptional sounding speakers. They are Green Mountain Audio's entry level speakers. If Green Mountain Audio's entry level speakers sound so wonderful I can just imagine what their more expensive offerings would sound like. ( I hope to find out some day ) I have read in this thread that the GMA's speakers are overpriced but I can state based on my personal experience this is not the case.

In fact I can honestly state that the opposite is true. The sound the Rio's produce at the price paid is a great value. The Rio's cost me $ 2,500.00 and I have about $13,000.00 of electronics in front of them and the Rio's never sound outclassed. The Rio's will never choke no matter what I throw at them. The Rio's in my humble opinion are truly an excellent speaker and an excellent value as well. I am completely satisfied with them.

If I had to sum up the Rio in one word that word would be musical. The Rio's ability to convey the music is what I like most about them. The Rio's are completely accurate. They are indeed about musical truth. The soundstage they present is nothing short of amazing for any size speaker.

I have been involved in high end audio since 1992 and at this point I have based on my listening experience put together the most musical stereo I have ever had and the Rio's are a very important link in that music reproduction chain.

Thanks to all for taking the time to read my post.

Bob
New York
 
Swerd

Swerd

Audioholic Warlord
It's surprising to see so many new posters in such a short time.
I'm with you on this. It seems like Green Mountain speakers have some devoted owners. Welcome to Audioholics guys.

Don't be bothered by the general philosophy here. Speaking for myself, an essential part of being objective is being open to all opinions. I hope most others here agree.

I am in Lynchburg, Va. About 50 miles east of Roanoke. You are absolutely welcome to come to my home and hear the C3s.
Shakey

Lynchburg is about 200 miles – roughly 3.5 to 4 hours - away. Not an easy round trip for one day, but not impossible either :). I'm only curious, not buying. When I get less busy I may have to take a road trip.

I'll send you my email address by PM.

Richard
 
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jamie2112

Banned
Jerry, are you already done with the B&W's? Just wondering how they are working out in your room? I am going to have me a listen to the GM's for sure as soon as I can find a pair near me......
 
JerryLove

JerryLove

Audioholic Ninja
Jerry, are you already done with the B&W's? Just wondering how they are working out in your room? I am going to have me a listen to the GM's for sure as soon as I can find a pair near me......
The N801's have been problematically large for the spaces available in my house.

Also, I'm not getting the sound I hoped for from them. Given the drastic improvement I got when I moved them to the Yamaha P5000S, I hold out hope that I'm just still lacking amp... but as configured now, they are disfavorable by quite a bit to the custom WmAx towers.

I had thought to use the 801's in the bedroom: but they require too much space. I had thought to use them in the family room (and that's still a possability if I can manage to integrate the WmAx speakers into the HT system in the bedroom).

Or I may resell the N801's... though that may take some time given that shipping is unlikely. Right now I'd *really* like to rule out the amp as the issue. You don't have a pair of 3-ohm-compatable 1000WPC @8ohm amps lying around I could try on them?

That said: the GMA's that actually got my interest were the Europas (I like to buy used on something I know the resale value of... I've broken even of profited off almost everything sofar which I have not kept), which are bookshelves. They would not be used in the same applications as the 801's... But this is as much a hobby for it's own sake as an attempt to get good sound: so I'm always eager to experiment with something new.

Who knows. Maybe I can talk Roy into sending me a pair to evaluate. I'd be happy to share them with Gene (he's in Orlando, yes?) for a proper review :D
 
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jamie2112

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Wow,thats really not what I thought I would hear.The 801's I have heard sound amazing,but were powered buy 2000 watt crown amps.They were amazing to say the least.I am sorry that they are too big for your space. Chris's speakers are still better though huh? Oh well, I am going to give these GM's a listen when I can.Someone has got to have an amp you could borrow in FL just to see if the power really is an issue here.Good luck!Hope you get it sorted.
 
JerryLove

JerryLove

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Wow,thats really not what I thought I would hear.The 801's I have heard sound amazing,but were powered buy 2000 watt crown amps.They were amazing to say the least.I am sorry that they are too big for your space.
They are beautiful. I love the look. I think your experience with them is correct. I think they can sound better than they do right now in my room. I do, in fact, believe that the amplifier is the weak link.

I don't have the funds to run out and plop down $3k+ on a proper amp right this moment to find out. I've heard too much that was too positive to believe that my problem with the 801 is "not good enough speaker". I do really believe the problem is with the amp.

Chris's speakers are still better though huh?
I have a problem with a narrow portion of the sound from those speakers. I have not had the skill to correct it. Given that I own a pair of unmodified P360s, and they do not share the same problem, I believe it issue is one of calibration. I would love for someone with a more trained ear to give a listen.

I may have a solution coming down the pike in a couple of weeks. If I can resolve it, I will actually write up and post a review of the Chris speakers.

Other than that problem (which sadly affects vocals), the sound is truely impressive on the Chris-modified speakers. Until it is fixed, and until I've properlly amp'd the N801s, I cannot compare the two.

Oh well, I am going to give these GM's a listen when I can.Someone has got to have an amp you could borrow in FL just to see if the power really is an issue here.Good luck!Hope you get it sorted.
I would really like to hear your impressions of the GM's when you hear them.

That said: I certainly invite an audioholic that wants to bring an amp to stop by. I've got several, but nothing that really hits the desired power-rating to test the N801's. If I manage to come up with $2k, I might try a pair of the XPA-1's.
 
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KEW

Audioholic Overlord
It's surprising to see so many new posters in such a short time.
Well, that depends. If there is a GM forum or a group on Audiocircles or the like which linked to your post, it is reasonable to expect to see several "noobies" show up.
The simple fact that Shakey has extended an invite for a listen legitimizes him (in my opinion).
 
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Swerd

Swerd

Audioholic Warlord
Well, that depends. If there is a GM forum or a group on Audiocircles or the like which linked to your post, it is reasonable to expect to see several "noobies" show up.
The simple fact that Shakey has extended an invite for a listen legitimizes him (in my opinion).
My first reaction to all those new posters was "isn't that interesting, all those GM owners just happened to be lurking on AH. Kind of nice... I like these kind of threads."

As I was driving home, I thought a bit more... In rapid order, four or five new posters, all of them apparently happy and devoted owners showed up with their testimonials. That seems more like someone called for reinforcements. The 82nd Airborne doesn't suddenly drop in without some planning.

I'm not saying the testimonies were false. They sounded like they were for real. And I can readily understand being a fanboy. I have been known to beat the drum for Salk. But I now think it was no accident that these 4 or 5 GM owners showed up at the same time.

I searched on google for a GM audio forum but found none. That doesn't rule out that there was some kind of organization behind their showing up so suddenly in such numbers.
 
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Shakeydeal

Junior Audioholic
Well it should be obvious that we were alerted to the thread. But the validity of the testimonials should not be questioned. We (or me at least, can't speak for the others) were just trying to head off any misinformation that might have been perpetuated. I think you understand......

Shakey
 
JerryLove

JerryLove

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Well it should be obvious that we were alerted to the thread. But the validity of the testimonials should not be questioned.
I disagree and believe it should be questioned. I think Reagan's phrase here was "trust but verify".

It should not be *assumed* to be false; and I don't assume it is: but to fail to question claims would often lead to very poor results.

It's also good to hear that the thread was brought to your attention specifically. I find nothing wrong with that and it fits what we are seeing on the thread, and appriciate the honesty. Again: welcome to AH.

We (or me at least, can't speak for the others) were just trying to head off any misinformation that might have been perpetuated. I think you understand......
I certainly can. I am especially looking forward to some more posts from Roy, and I'm rather hoping that someone in FL with a pair of GMA speakers chimes in with the same offer you've extended.

I welcome the new posters and welcome learning more about Green Mountain's products. They are certainly interesting.

BTW: I found you list of some of your previously owned gear "fun". I don't think I've ever known someone that I required so much googling to know what he was referring to. As I've said: I enjoy new for the sake of new, and it was a genuine pleasure reading about gear I had not before heard of. Thank you.
 
KEW

KEW

Audioholic Overlord
Well it should be obvious that we were alerted to the thread. But the validity of the testimonials should not be questioned. We (or me at least, can't speak for the others) were just trying to head off any misinformation that might have been perpetuated. I think you understand......

Shakey
I think we can understand, but wouldn't it be appropriate to identify where your group came from?
Nothing gains respect like integrity.
Nothing gains suspicion like secrecy.
Cheers,
Kurt
 
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Mauimusicman

Audiophyte
Jerry

It's surprising to see so many new posters in such a short time. I think we may soon have a lot of information as many are close to known AH members. As a recording engineer with such a taste for high-end sound, you must have some terriffically HQ recordings of your songs. What are some that I can get on CD / SACD / DVD-A or HQ digital download? I'm always looking for new HQ material to show off good speaker with (and, for that matter, to add to my listening collection, I do love good guitar).

Do you have a website for your music?

Isn't there a down-side to using speakers that sound different than the ones your audience will have?
Is there a downside to using speakers that sound different than what the audience will have?
How does any engineer know what speakers his audience will listen through?
As an artist, I can only hope the listener chooses playback equipment that allows the emotional message of the music to come through. My experience is that the GMA allows me to much more easily hear mic choices, mic positioning, eq, compression, gates, cables, pre-amps, etc much better than any other speaker I have used. Is there a downside to making proper engineering choices? I cannot think of one. You?
 
JerryLove

JerryLove

Audioholic Ninja
Is there a downside to using speakers that sound different than what the audience will have?
How does any engineer know what speakers his audience will listen through?
Much of Green Mountains advertising seems built around the importance of, and rarity of, time coherence.

The pragmatism of actually determining what your audience has aside: do we agree that, as someone doing mixing, it would be most effective to mix for the speakers the audience would actually be using?

The entire point behind things like THX certification is to ensure consistency between what the mixer mixes on and what the end audience listens to.

As an artist, I can only hope the listener chooses playback equipment that allows the emotional message of the music to come through. My experience is that the GMA allows me to much more easily hear mic choices, mic positioning, eq, compression, gates, cables, pre-amps, etc much better than any other speaker I have used. Is there a downside to making proper engineering choices? I cannot think of one. You?
I can very easily think of several.

If, for example, much of the audience is listening in noisy environments, or over equipment like ear-buds,then I may have an interest in mixing with dynamic compression ("hot mastering"). This is pretty common in the pop scene.

If, on the other hand, my audience is a bunch of people in isolate rooms with large high-efficiency speakers (much of the classical listening crowd), then I'd think there's be a desire to mix differently.

That said: as someone with higher-end gear. I'm personally happy that you mix for such; and am still very interested in listening to some of your recordings. Where's the best stop to find them? Are there any you'd recommend I start with?
 
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