Ares

Ares

Audioholic Samurai
As the title states I have the fever and have been looking around a bit for a new receiver to pair up with my PSB's. I like the Denon but I'm looking for something with more "Clean Power" I have been looking at one receiver in particular the NAD T775 I have been looking for an in-depth review but couldn't find any I was wondering if any of my fellow AHers have knowledge on this model. Also if you have other recommendations please feel free to let know, Thank You.
 
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templemaners

Senior Audioholic
If you're looking for more clean power, why not look for a receiver with preouts and get an amp?
 
Ares

Ares

Audioholic Samurai
I could go that route, what would you suggest?
 
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jostenmeat

Audioholic Spartan
I could go that route, what would you suggest?
Are you sure you need one? What db levels do you listen at, and how far are you sitting?

What's your budget?

For the mch consumer amps, I like Outlaw, Rotel, Sunfire, NAD among others at the sort of "mid" pricing. I have to admit I don't trust NAD so much with their processors as I do some of their amps. For receivers, I like Denon and Onkyo, but that's because they carry the feature sets that I desire.

If you don't have any particular feature set you desire, you can get very affordable receivers to act as pre/pro. I would vote for that plus an amp, over the NAD receiver, if the budget is similar. However, it's also likely that a receiver upgrade would be good enough, even if with the preouts just in case.
 
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templemaners

Senior Audioholic
From what I could see in a quick Google search, that NAD receiver is about $3K. For that price, I would definitely go the cheaper receiver and seperate amplification route. Pro amps are another way to go (instead of the multichannel consumer amps) if you're looking for more bang for the buck.

What kind of features are you looking at with a new receiver? For instance, would 4 HDMI connections be enough for you (as is the case with the NAD you're interested in)? Or are you mostly looking for better power? Are you happy with your Denon - outside of the perceived lack of power - to the point where you would be OK buying another Denon?

If you don't care about 3D, finding a previous year model (like the xx7 series from Onkyo or the xx10 Denon) could be a way to get more receiver and have enough coin left over for some good amp(s).
 
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Ares

Ares

Audioholic Samurai
Budget is 2k, the Nad I found from my dealer for $1400 and to your question Josten I'm never in the same room with my gear when I'm listening to music, I just need it to get loud enough to hear it without running speakers through the whole house( Wife would be p***ed about that ideal)

templemaners:

Four HDMI inputs with one out will be enough, No need for 3D, decent upscaling would be nice or better than my Denon 1910. Audyssey MultEq or XT a must.
 
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templemaners

Senior Audioholic
Budget is 2k, the Nad I found from my dealer for $1400 and to your question Josten I'm never in the same room with my gear when I'm listening to music, I just need it to get loud enough to hear it without running speakers through the whole house( Wife would be p***ed about that ideal)

templemaners:

Four HDMI inputs with one out will be enough, No need for 3D, decent upscaling would be nice or better than my Denon 1910. Audyssey MultEq or XT a must.
So, would I be correct in assuming that when you're listening to music though the whole house, it's in 2 channel mode? If so, maybe you would be good with getting a high quality 2 channel amp instead of a multi channel amp.

How would you be about getting a factory refurbished receiver from an authorized dealer? I've purchased a receiver for my home office from DAKMART before and it looked brand new and works great.

eCost.com also sells refurbed Denon's (I have never purchased from them though). I see they have 3310CI's, which will have preouts and Audyssey, for $600. They have the 4310CI for 980. It has Audyssey XT and there is a full (favorable) review of it on the Audioholics main page.

DAKMART has the same 3310CI for $630. Strangely enough, they have the AVR-990 for $20 more than the 3310, even though they are close to identical.

For Onkyo's, Accessories4Less has pretty good deals on their X007 level receivers. They all have Audyssey XT, but the 1007 has Fajuoda video processing vs. HQV-Reon video processors for the 3007/5007.

Prices at A4L run as low as $750 for a refurb 1007 up to $1350 for a refurb 5007. They also have new 3007's for $1200 and $1000 for a refurb. It should be noted that all of the Onkyo's listed are 9.2 receivers while the Denon's are 7.1, though the 4310 can do height and wide channels in place of surround back speakers.
 
Ares

Ares

Audioholic Samurai
So, would I be correct in assuming that when you're listening to music though the whole house, it's in 2 channel mode? If so, maybe you would be good with getting a high quality 2 channel amp instead of a multi channel amp.

How would you be about getting a factory refurbished receiver from an authorized dealer? I've purchased a receiver for my home office from DAKMART before and it looked brand new and works great.

eCost.com also sells refurbed Denon's (I have never purchased from them though). I see they have 3310CI's, which will have preouts and Audyssey, for $600. They have the 4310CI for 980. It has Audyssey XT and there is a full (favorable) review of it on the Audioholics main page.

DAKMART has the same 3310CI for $630. Strangely enough, they have the AVR-990 for $20 more than the 3310, even though they are close to identical.

For Onkyo's, Accessories4Less has pretty good deals on their X007 level receivers. They all have Audyssey XT, but the 1007 has Fajuoda video processing vs. HQV-Reon video processors for the 3007/5007.

Prices at A4L run as low as $750 for a refurb 1007 up to $1350 for a refurb 5007. They also have new 3007's for $1200 and $1000 for a refurb. It should be noted that all of the Onkyo's listed are 9.2 receivers while the Denon's are 7.1, though the 4310 can do height and wide channels in place of surround back speakers.
Your Assumption is correct, a 2 or 3 Ch amp will be all I need and let the receiver handle the rears, I'll give those a look.
 
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templemaners

Senior Audioholic
Your Assumption is correct, a 2 or 3 Ch amp will be all I need and let the receiver handle the rears, I'll give those a look.
Do a search on the forums for P2500S and Yamaha pro amps. A very solid 250x2 amp for about $400...
 
Ares

Ares

Audioholic Samurai
Do a search on the forums for P2500S and Yamaha pro amps. A very solid 250x2 amp for about $400...
I have seen the P2500 no dealer within the city will have to go to the burbs to check it out in person.
 
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jostenmeat

Audioholic Spartan
I have seen the P2500 no dealer within the city will have to go to the burbs to check it out in person.
There are a lot of pro amps out there. Before going that route, you need to be aware of a few things. They are not meant for HTs, but pro apps, so display dimming will often be nonexistent. My own Crown, I have to put solid black tape over the display, as even tint ain't cutting it. I even put tape over the little blue light for "on", as it puts a bright blue square on my screen otherwise. It likely won't have a 12v trigger like consumer amps. Lastly, you will want to know if the preout voltage of your current receiver is good enough for pro amps, and if not, you can use something like a Samson s-Convert. If you do need one, I'll sell mine to you for less than I bought it, and I've used it for about 1 minute or less with my sub.

That said, besides the non-consumer nature of my amp, I do like my Crown XTI2000 that I got for $500. The free band manager software has been nice to play around with in getting my sub's output closer to personal preference, post-Audyssey. I've done maybe 5 or so experimental/guess EQs as for what I might like.

A cool thing about pro amps is that you can use Speakons. :D

edit: the above all said, I still vote for 3ch of amps if you are really set on getting on outboard amps. Center channel has a lot of material, however, do you use the center channel when out of the room (matrixing stereo)?
 
Ares

Ares

Audioholic Samurai
There are a lot of pro amps out there. Before going that route, you need to be aware of a few things. They are not meant for HTs, but pro apps, so display dimming will often be nonexistent. My own Crown, I have to put solid black tape over the display, as even tint ain't cutting it. I even put tape over the little blue light for "on", as it puts a bright blue square on my screen otherwise. It likely won't have a 12v trigger like consumer amps. Lastly, you will want to know if the preout voltage of your current receiver is good enough for pro amps, and if not, you can use something like a Samson s-Convert. If you do need one, I'll sell mine to you for less than I bought it, and I've used it for about 1 minute or less with my sub.

That said, besides the non-consumer nature of my amp, I do like my Crown XTI2000 that I got for $500. The free band manager software has been nice to play around with in getting my sub's output closer to personal preference, post-Audyssey. I've done maybe 5 or so experimental/guess EQs as for what I might like.

A cool thing about pro amps is that you can use Speakons. :D

edit: the above all said, I still vote for 3ch of amps if you are really set on getting on outboard amps. Center channel has a lot of material, however, do you use the center channel when out of the room (matrixing stereo)?
No, when I listen to music it's strictly 2.1 but I figured why no go with a 3ch amp since the front three take up most of the power. What are the things I should consider when trying to match an amp with a receiver or vice versa? I guess I will stick with an Amp made for HT's til I feel comfortable messing around with the pro gear.
 
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jostenmeat

Audioholic Spartan
No, when I listen to music it's strictly 2.1 but I figured why no go with a 3ch amp since the front three take up most of the power. What are the things I should consider when trying to match an amp with a receiver or vice versa? I guess I will stick with an Amp made for HT's til I feel comfortable messing around with the pro gear.
First off, I don't know jack. I'd probably trust Peng or Seth or whoever. And others.

If you do stick with commerical amps, the likelihood that you will have issues with insufficient preout voltage is slim, I imagine.

I think I've read that you want the amp's input impedance to be at least 10x the output impedance of the preouts on receiver. Again, I doubt this will be an issue with any two random components, but might as well look into it. (I think I've heard even 100x the impedance when dealing with tubes, but who knows if it was valid info; it's been a while since I've read that).

Otherwise, I don't see anything to match at all. Get the amp that you like.
 
AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

Audioholic Jedi
The NAD T775 only has 100WPC?

What is so "clean" about that?

Denon 4310: Five channels driven continuously into 8-ohm loads: 1% distortion at 131.0 watts.

http://hometheatermag.com/receivers/denon_avr-4310ci_av_receiver/index4.html

When it comes to $2K receivers, I doubt that power is an issue when you compare them; rather it is the features and aesthetics.:D

And eCOST & Dakmart has the 4310 for cheaper than retail:

http://www.dakmart.com/advanced_search_result.php?keywords=denon+4310&osCsid=uubfgc89bhsl36m77jnjont220&x=19&y=16

http://www.ecost.com/prod/Electronics/Receivers/Denon+71-Channel+Multi-Zone+Home+Theater+Receiver+with+Networking+Capability+-+AVR4310CI/53205667.aspx?navid=155442295
 
Ares

Ares

Audioholic Samurai
From what I have read most people say that the NAD power specs are conservative, I don't know that for sure since the little bit of reviews I have found don't have bench test numbers. I have found some bench test numbers on the T785 while that might give me a general ideal what to expect from NAD it still would be nice to have accurate numbers on the T775 if I go that route.
 
3db

3db

Audioholic Slumlord
The NAD T775 only has 100WPC?

What is so "clean" about that?

Denon 4310: Five channels driven continuously into 8-ohm loads: 1% distortion at 131.0 watts.

http://hometheatermag.com/receivers/denon_avr-4310ci_av_receiver/index4.html

When it comes to $2K receivers, I doubt that power is an issue when you compare them; rather it is the features and aesthetics.:D

And eCOST & Dakmart has the 4310 for cheaper than retail:

http://www.dakmart.com/advanced_search_result.php?keywords=denon+4310&osCsid=uubfgc89bhsl36m77jnjont220&x=19&y=16

http://www.ecost.com/prod/Electronics/Receivers/Denon+71-Channel+Multi-Zone+Home+Theater+Receiver+with+Networking+Capability+-+AVR4310CI/53205667.aspx?navid=155442295
Umm Thats 7x100watts all channels driven full audio spectrum + its modular design allows you to upgrade/package the receiver to yoru needs. :rolleyes:
 
Ares

Ares

Audioholic Samurai
3db glad to hear from ya, help a brother out here which would be good way to go here? The only experience I have had so far is with the Denon, would NAD be a good way to go or should I look into getting a receiver + amp? Thanks in advance.
 
billy p

billy p

Audioholic Ninja
I believe he drives his T45's with a Yamaha rxv1800(I have the htr version:)) and it's more than capable. You know he loves Nad gear...;) but he'll tell you that most mid fi avr's would/should suffice.:D
 
3db

3db

Audioholic Slumlord
3db glad to hear from ya, help a brother out here which would be good way to go here? The only experience I have had so far is with the Denon, would NAD be a good way to go or should I look into getting a receiver + amp? Thanks in advance.
I'm a NAD fan long before I heard of PSB...but ... I think the approach you are taking is a bit off and possibly damaging to your speakers. If you like the sound of the Denon when you are in the same room and find it powerful enough then stick to what you have and wire in a 2nd pair of speakers in the room that you occupy the 2nd most after the HT room. That way you don't have to push your PSBs to insane loudness levels saving them from unnecessary wear and tear and you get a better loudness in the room that you are in. Besides, putting new speakers into a room one at a time spread out in time may go unnoticed by your wife.

The RX-V1800 I have crank my T45 just fine ;)
 
TLS Guy

TLS Guy

Audioholic Jedi
From what I have read most people say that the NAD power specs are conservative, I don't know that for sure since the little bit of reviews I have found don't have bench test numbers. I have found some bench test numbers on the T785 while that might give me a general ideal what to expect from NAD it still would be nice to have accurate numbers on the T775 if I go that route.
NAD: - Not Always Dependable.
 

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