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Like the idea this is suppose to be an efficient operation where you come in and grab illegals more quietly with less distraction. That would not be Trump. :D
 
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Yes, indeed. Who does work on roofs there in MN, or the yards, meat factories if you have some there, or who lines up for work at a Home Depot. ;) Immigrants, legal or not. :)
And yet, American citizens who aren't working continue to breed- no money, no jobs, don't stay in school, no desire to support themselves- yeah, that's a great effing plan. They aren't any specific group, either, other than not wanting to bother.

Who do I see at Home Depot, etc, buying lumber, drywall, roofing supplies, everything to build whole bathrooms and kitchens? People from across the board.
 
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No, there is no daylight between what ICE are doing and the Nazi Gestapo. What is going on here should worry everyone and that includes you.

Go to YouTube and watch the stream of Status Coup.

So now brave folk are outside their hotels making one Hell of a racket, to make sure these Gestapo agents get no sleep. There is a live stream of a noise crowd outside the Graduate Hilton Hotel at the University of Minnesota.

To me it looks as if a serious revolution could be in the making.
Yeah, there's light- ICE isn't loading thousands into box cars, to take them to concentration camps where they'll eventually be killed. They're not mowing one specific group down in the streets, they aren't persecuting one religious group- that's what the Democrats are doing, just not lethally.

Do you want the ICE protesters to be left to do anything and everything that continues to make them foam at the mouth, or stop their destruction?

BTW- what do you mean by "outside their hotels"?

When interviewed, most protesters know very little of the details about what they're standing against. That's typical, whether they're in Just Stop Oil, support for Palestinians, or anything else that's a hot topic.
 
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Highfigh makes a very valid point while TLS Guy is fear mongering like a drama queen about ICE. ICE is not Gestapo. The Gestapo imprisoned people they arrested and inturned them into prison camps knowing full what was awaiting their fate. Hitler targetted the Jewish people as they held the wealth in Europe. ICE on the other hand are improperly trained rednecks without a job, are more like unqualified unexperienced mercinaries whose job is to imprison those for later deportation. Trump is after the illegal aliens. Its a fine line with the result being that people are losing their freedom over this but not targetted for execution. It does generate high. Do illegal aliens have the same right as US citizens? Thats one of the questions.

There are number of other questions that spring to mind?
1.) Why has Trump allowed the deportation of war vets that fought for the US?
2.) Does Trump recognize the status of legal refugees and recognize the difference between them and illegal aliens?
3.) Why does Trump/ICE discriminate against people of color in their raids? That is hate based.
4.) Why are ICE agents predominantly setup in states held by the Democrats? Surely there many illegal aliens in republican states too.

Don't get me wrong. I think ICE is deplorable but ICE itself isnt the problem. ICE is just a cruel tool used by Trump. Trump and his troop of KKK administration is the root cause. Fix the constitution that says that a person holding the office of president can't be prosecuted for breaking the law. Fix that one thing, make that irrevocable and one can now go after Trump and his band of white hoods. Trump has broken laws in the US and has certainly broken international law by Maduro 's capture. He is nothing but a criminal and should be treated like one.
 
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Highfigh makes a very valid point while TLS Guy is fear mongering like a drama queen about ICE. ICE is not Gestapo. The Gestapo imprisoned people they arrested and inturned them into prison camps knowing full what was awaiting their fate. Hitler targetted the Jewish people as they held the wealth in Europe. ICE on the other hand are improperly trained rednecks without a job, are more like unqualified unexperienced mercinaries whose job is to imprison those for later deportation. Trump is after the illegal aliens. Its a fine line with the result being that people are losing their freedom over this but not targetted for execution. It does generate high. Do illegal aliens have the same right as US citizens? Thats one of the questions.

There are number of other questions that spring to mind?
1.) Why has Trump allowed the deportation of war vets that fought for the US?
2.) Does Trump recognize the status of legal refugees and recognize the difference between them and illegal aliens?
3.) Why does Trump/ICE discriminate against people of color in their raids? That is hate based.
4.) Why are ICE agents predominantly setup in states held by the Democrats? Surely there many illegal aliens in republican states too.

Don't get me wrong. I think ICE is deplorable but ICE itself isnt the problem. ICE is just a cruel tool used by Trump. Trump and his troop of KKK administration is the root cause. Fix the constitution that says that a person holding the office of president can't be prosecuted for breaking the law. Fix that one thing, make that irrevocable and one can now go after Trump and his band of white hoods. Trump has broken laws in the US and has certainly broken international law by Maduro 's capture. He is nothing but a criminal and should be treated like one.
Illegals have rights but they shouldn't be housed before citizens, in better lodging, with gift cards which can't be received by citizens when they weren't invited as guests. Too many people believe or have been led to believe that borders shouldn't exist but if ANYONE wants to know what other countries do, all they need to do is look online, using valid sources. The ones who believe all should come in probably haven't supported themselves in life or, as we can see daily, members of government or an elite group who has been in academia most of their lives, rather than working at a normal job, doing real world stuff, solving real world problems and experiencing real world failures, rather than built-in job security. When someone doesn't need to compete, they become so complacent that they develop all kinds of goofy ideas about how things should be or would, if we lived in some kind of utopia and as we all SHOULD know, utopias don't exist and man-made versions don't work.

I have watched interviews with students and others who are protesting many issues and one thing that strikes me- they don't know the details and when something bad is quoted, they think it was said by or was a policy from a person they dislike or hate. They're very confused when they find that it was from someone they like. I have heard some say that they understand that Socialism or Communism didn't work in other places, but maybe it could work here. That tells me they haven't had to compete or support themselves because in both of those, they would have little or no control over their lives, quality of life, money made through work, innovation or drive. The idea that under Communism, there's virtually no point in trying because personal property and intellectual property don't belong to the person. Obviously, things have changed since the USSR fell, but that's because Russia, China, NK and all other Communist countries have adopted commerce between countries and Capitalism to varying degrees. Whether it's done using oligarchs or the government ownership of all utilities, natural resources, production and distribution, someone is making a helluva lot of money.

WRT your numbered questions-

#1- not sure, haven't seen his comments about them.
#2- Look at the actual rules and laws regarding refugee status and then, look at where many immigrants came from- the official requirement is for them to request asylum in an adjacent country, not one they choose and is a great distance from their homes.
#3- Look at the countries of origin for the answer. There ARE lighter skinned people, but they aren't coming in the huge numbers. The common thing about most immigrants, especially illegal- their governments are almost always oppressive and opportunities aren't conducive to the maintaning a decent life, or the improvement of their lives..Otherwise, why would they want to leave?
#4- Democratic states have designated some areas as sanctuaries, even if doing that is illegal according to Article VI.

People like to decide whether they like or will obey some laws- whether they like them is immaterial, it's the law. If enough people decide they don't want this or these laws, they would normally tell their representatives and debate in Congress would occur, with or without the results those disgruntled people want.

Stop the name calling. ICE IS NOT the same as the KKK, Nazis, etc.

If the countries where life is so bad that immigrants can't live free, where there's no hope of a decent life, they have no food, water, housing or a way of getting them- why is the rest of the world NOT pressuring the leaders of those countries to do SOMETHING for the people? Note that in most of those countries, the leader is a dictator or is involved in gangs or cartels.

Prove me wrong.
 
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Illegals have rights but they shouldn't be housed before citizens, in better lodging, with gift cards which can't be received by citizens when they weren't invited as guests. Too many people believe or have been led to believe that borders shouldn't exist but if ANYONE wants to know what other countries do, all they need to do is look online, using valid sources. The ones who believe all should come in probably haven't supported themselves in life or, as we can see daily, members of government or an elite group who has been in academia most of their lives, rather than working at a normal job, doing real world stuff, solving real world problems and experiencing real world failures, rather than built-in job security. When someone doesn't need to compete, they become so complacent that they develop all kinds of goofy ideas about how things should be or would, if we lived in some kind of utopia and as we all SHOULD know, utopias don't exist and man-made versions don't work.

I have watched interviews with students and others who are protesting many issues and one thing that strikes me- they don't know the details and when something bad is quoted, they think it was said by or was a policy from a person they dislike or hate. They're very confused when they find that it was from someone they like. I have heard some say that they understand that Socialism or Communism didn't work in other places, but maybe it could work here. That tells me they haven't had to compete or support themselves because in both of those, they would have little or no control over their lives, quality of life, money made through work, innovation or drive. The idea that under Communism, there's virtually no point in trying because personal property and intellectual property don't belong to the person. Obviously, things have changed since the USSR fell, but that's because Russia, China, NK and all other Communist countries have adopted commerce between countries and Capitalism to varying degrees. Whether it's done using oligarchs or the government ownership of all utilities, natural resources, production and distribution, someone is making a helluva lot of money.

WRT your numbered questions-

#1- not sure, haven't seen his comments about them.
#2- Look at the actual rules and laws regarding refugee status and then, look at where many immigrants came from- the official requirement is for them to request asylum in an adjacent country, not one they choose and is a great distance from their homes.
#3- Look at the countries of origin for the answer. There ARE lighter skinned people, but they aren't coming in the huge numbers. The common thing about most immigrants, especially illegal- their governments are almost always oppressive and opportunities aren't conducive to the maintaning a decent life, or the improvement of their lives..Otherwise, why would they want to leave?
#4- Democratic states have designated some areas as sanctuaries, even if doing that is illegal according to Article VI.

People like to decide whether they like or will obey some laws- whether they like them is immaterial, it's the law. If enough people decide they don't want this or these laws, they would normally tell their representatives and debate in Congress would occur, with or without the results those disgruntled people want.

Stop the name calling. ICE IS NOT the same as the KKK, Nazis, etc.

If the countries where life is so bad that immigrants can't live free, where there's no hope of a decent life, they have no food, water, housing or a way of getting them- why is the rest of the world NOT pressuring the leaders of those countries to do SOMETHING for the people? Note that in most of those countries, the leader is a dictator or is involved in gangs or cartels.

Prove me wrong.
Please reread my post. I didnt compare ICE to the Gestapo or Nazies. . I called the people who use ICE as KKK which they are. I called ICE improperly trained rednecks without a job, are more like unqualified unexperienced mercinaries ...

You skirted around question 2. Does Trump and ICE know the difference and recognoize the difference between legal refugees and illegal aliens. Yes or no ????
Question 4 was skirted as well. Do Reupblican states also not contain illegal aliens? If so why are there no ICE agents in their cities?

I dont understand your incesseant need to run to protect Trump and his administration and YOUR failure to recognize that Trump is a criminal, both by American laws and international law. He's a criminal.
 
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Highfigh makes a very valid point while TLS Guy is fear mongering like a drama queen about ICE. ICE is not Gestapo. The Gestapo imprisoned people they arrested and inturned them into prison camps knowing full what was awaiting their fate. Hitler targetted the Jewish people as they held the wealth in Europe. ICE on the other hand are improperly trained rednecks without a job, are more like unqualified unexperienced mercinaries whose job is to imprison those for later deportation. Trump is after the illegal aliens. Its a fine line with the result being that people are losing their freedom over this but not targetted for execution. It does generate high. Do illegal aliens have the same right as US citizens? Thats one of the questions.

There are number of other questions that spring to mind?
1.) Why has Trump allowed the deportation of war vets that fought for the US?
2.) Does Trump recognize the status of legal refugees and recognize the difference between them and illegal aliens?
3.) Why does Trump/ICE discriminate against people of color in their raids? That is hate based.
4.) Why are ICE agents predominantly setup in states held by the Democrats? Surely there many illegal aliens in republican states too.

Don't get me wrong. I think ICE is deplorable but ICE itself isnt the problem. ICE is just a cruel tool used by Trump. Trump and his troop of KKK administration is the root cause. Fix the constitution that says that a person holding the office of president can't be prosecuted for breaking the law. Fix that one thing, make that irrevocable and one can now go after Trump and his band of white hoods. Trump has broken laws in the US and has certainly broken international law by Maduro 's capture. He is nothing but a criminal and should be treated like one.
The Box cars will come later, but actually they are using planes on a large scale. They are leaving MSP regularly and no information on who is aboard, and flight tracker finds it hard to know the destinations.

There is a massive operation here in Eagan, Inver Grove heights and West St. Paul. There is a continuous stream of sirens past our house right how. The intersection of our Road, Westcott Road and Dodd Road is blocked off and many others including Dodd and Yankee Doodle and highway 55.



This is very close to our house what you see above, in easy walking distance.

This is a disgrace and it looks like a good imitation of Gestapo to me.

All these Ice Agents look like thugs. There are all masked and you only see their eyes.

The Federal Prosecutors for Minnesota all resigned enmasse yesterday. They are all experienced and really good guys. Their stated reason was being asked to conduct illegal prosecutions and worse.

Wake up guys this is bad. It should not be tolerated. There are request on local social media to leave the Union, with joining Canada being the preferred exit route. This is not allowed under the US Constitution. There is fear that Trump may Federalize the Minnesota Home Guard. With the temperature here that would be a very dangerous step.
 
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Interesting take from LegalEagle. Has some additional angles.
That is the video that shows the agent pulling his weapon while his partner is still leaning against the vehicle or trying to open door. Premeditated killing. :mad:
 
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The Box cars will come later, but actually they are using planes on a large scale. They are leaving MSP regularly and no information on who is aboard, and flight tracker finds it hard to know the destinations.

There is a massive operation here in Eagan, Inver Grove heights and West St. Paul. There is a continuous stream of sirens past our house right how. The intersection of our Road, Westcott Road and Dodd Road is blocked off and many others including Dodd and Yankee Doodle and highway 55.

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This is very close to our house what you see above, in easy walking distance.

This is a disgrace and it looks like a good imitation of Gestapo to me.

All these Ice Agents look like thugs. There are all masked and you only see their eyes.

The Federal Prosecutors for Minnesota all resigned enmasse yesterday. They are all experienced and really good guys. Their stated reason was being asked to conduct illegal prosecutions and worse.

Wake up guys this is bad. It should not be tolerated. There are request on local social media to leave the Union, with joining Canada being the preferred exit route. This is not allowed under the US Constitution. There is fear that Trump may Federalize the Minnesota Home Guard. With the temperature here that would be a very dangerous step.
How did Obama deport 3 million in 8 years without all that is taking place today? Disgrace is not enough for what is happening now, much worse. :mad:
 
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How did Obama deport 3 million in 8 years without all that is taking place today? Disgrace is not enough for what is happening now, much worse. :mad:
Less protest and media presence. There’s probably 22mil plus aliens here and no way can anyone deport them all.
 
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