Illegal Alien Costume causing uproar.....

[sawzalot]

Initial paperwork doesn't get you a green card, ie, it doesn't get you to the US and working, so you're wrong. I never said it would get them working I said it would get them started on the right track to be here legal.Re-read my posts.



No, I'm saying exactly what I'm saying, that you're wrong about it being cheap. A thousand bucks is an ENORMOUS sum of money to a Mexican making 53 pesos a day. Not cheap.

Congratulations on your friend, it must be hard to get a thousand dollars with close to no income. Maybe he should write a pamphlet to help other immigrants? What did he do? Save up for 10 years? I know a guy that started a company out of his basement that sold for 50 million dollars. But just because I know that guy I don't expect everyone else to be able to do the same thing.

I never said it would get them working I said it would get them started on the right track to be here legal.Re-read my posts.

It really is not my problem as to how much money is available to them at this time.My friends are both male and female and they never needed to have one thousand or more dollars to get everything started and once they did in fact get the ball rolling they eventually made headway and were granted the documents needed to work here legally.So what if someone did save up for ten years, at least they are here legal and that's the whole idea right.

I believe we will agree to disagree on this topic so I respectfully decline any further debate, I am really not an avid political thread debater and would like to just end this now, peace.

 

[annunaki]

I wish I had gotten the costume before it got yanked

Some people really need to get a sense of humor. I remember hearing there was a big uproar over the famous parrot sketch from Monty Python. Seems some animal rights folks didn’t see the humor in smacking around a fake stuffed bird

It is not hard to make another one.

Isn't pulling the costume a bit against freedom of speech/expression?

I mean, that is the tired old line idiots use for burning the flag and all.

 

[CraigV]

It is not hard to make another one.

Isn't pulling the costume a bit against freedom of speech/expression?

I mean, that is the tired old line idiots use for burning the flag and all.

They weren’t forced to pull the costume, they did so wanting not to appear insensitive to certain groups of people. Your right to wear it (or any other costume) is an entirely different matter.

Sure would have been funny if that kid in Colorado had been on that UFO looking balloon wearing the costume (Especially if he landed in Mexico)

 

[gmichael]

Maybe you need to read a little more closely, it's more like $890 to $1100 or more before they can legally work in the US. And that's IF they can get a visa number that gets drawn or has immediate family already legally in the US.

Apparently you think that's an easy sum of money for ALL Mexicans to come by, care to share your support for that opinion?

Actually, it's less to be able to work here. You can get a work authorization faster and cheaper than a green card. I know because my wife had to renew her authorization 3 times before her green card came through. I see no reason that anyone coming into this country should not fill out the forms and pay the fees. It's a matter of right and wrong. If they are here to work, that's fine. Put a few dollors away towards doing it correctly. And for crying out loud, don't get upset about a frickin' holloween costume.

 

[rnatalli]

I don't see what the big deal is. What's next, we'll pull priest costumes because it offends the church. This country has gone way too much toward political correctness IMO.

 

[NicolasKL]

once they got the ball rolling they would work and make money legal like the rest of us.

Sure looks like you're saying exactly that to me, maybe you need to reread your posts. What do you mean by this if not that after they pay the 450 they'll be able to work in the US?

 

[NicolasKL]

Actually, it's less to be able to work here. You can get a work authorization faster and cheaper than a green card. I know because my wife had to renew her authorization 3 times before her green card came through. I see no reason that anyone coming into this country should not fill out the forms and pay the fees. It's a matter of right and wrong. If they are here to work, that's fine. Put a few dollors away towards doing it correctly. And for crying out loud, don't get upset about a frickin' holloween costume.

Not everyone can get an employment authorization document. What was your wifes situation at the time? Was she your wife? Fiance? Student?

 

[gmichael]

Not everyone can get an employment authorization document. What was your wifes situation at the time? Was she your wife? Fiance? Student?

It's a matter of trying. Have they tried?

 

[krzywica]

I understand your position and I know that ours are vastly different. Mine is a global mindset in the sense that I'm a globalized person. What is meant by that statement is that I've lived in a variety of different cultures and observed the benefits and downfalls of their societies. I also view the world as a single community where all of humanity is my responsibility to help.

I am by no means an expert on global dynamics since my experiences where limited to mostly college summers. Still I think my viewpoint doesn't work well with an American conservative. The reality is the Mexicans were in Cali and Arizona before we were, but we took their land by force and through racial discrimination. These things are never mentioned by proponents of the hard-line approach.

Also it's easy to say you wouldn't break the law until you find the law prevents you from feeding your family or keeping them safe. If I lived in Juarez I'd come across too.

Laws mean nothing to a starving unemployed man who can't get work in his own country to feed his family.

First off as a vet I have lived in many different places around the world and am better traveled than most people especially in the US. So don't think that I have an isolated Midwest US perspective on the world. A conservative yes, narrow minded no.

Everyone has been screwed over in the past one way or another, I don't complain about the Germans invading Poland and wanting reparations or handouts because my ancestors were oppressed. The same should be true for Native Americans, African Americans, Mexican Americans, ect.... If we continue to make decisions based on favors owed for past occurrences then we will never move forward.

I'm not saying that we should close the borders and not allow immigration, immigration is one of the foundations of this great country and it should be encouraged. However, you must play by the rules and be held accountable to the same payments and sociological prerequisites as the rest of the American Taxpayers. I would say this is partially due to the government policies that are in place that are not streamlined like they aught to be.

When you start breaking laws in the name of "what is right for you at the time" that becomes a slippery slope.

 

[CraigV]

When you start breaking laws in the name of "what is right for you at the time" that becomes a slippery slope.

That’s the point too many people are far too willing to overlook – these people are breaking the law! Why is it OK for some, but not others? Not to mention while they are here they’re more than willing to hold out their hands & take goods and services they haven’t earned because they don’t pay into the system. The people who are here legally pay, but for what?

At what point do we turn the other cheek for other criminals. Is it OK for someone to rob in order to feed their family? How about the crack addict who steals to feed their habit? Or the pedophile who repeat offends because they just can’t help themselves? Laws are in place for a reason, and if we’re not willing to enforce them, what’s the point?

 

[krzywica]

That’s the point too many people are far too willing to overlook – these people are breaking the law! Why is it OK for some, but not others? Not to mention while they are here they’re more than willing to hold out their hands & take goods and services they haven’t earned because they don’t pay into the system. The people who are here legally pay, but for what?

At what point do we turn the other cheek for other criminals. Is it OK for someone to rob in order to feed their family? How about the crack addict who steals to feed their habit? Or the pedophile who repeat offends because they just can’t help themselves? Laws are in place for a reason, and if we’re not willing to enforce them, what’s the point?

Exactly my point.

 

[agarwalro]

I find the Illegal Alien costume while humorous is in bad taste. I would equate it to some non-Caucasian person wearing the KKK hood and saying "I am the Black While Supremacist like in the Dave Chapelle skit". Funny, but in a cringing kind of way.

 

[CraigV]

I find the Illegal Alien costume while humorous is in bad taste. .

And that’s OK too – no one is saying you have to find it funny. But, that’s your choice to find offense in it. Does that mean it should be wrong for everyone though? Have we entered the realm of

Please don’t misunderstand – I’m not singling you out or trying to get on you about this, I’m just trying to ask a general question.

 

[Schupo]

At what point do we turn the other cheek for other criminals. Is it OK for someone to rob in order to feed their family? How about the crack addict who steals to feed their habit? Or the pedophile who repeat offends because they just can’t help themselves? Laws are in place for a reason, and if we’re not willing to enforce them, what’s the point?

Illegal alien finding work in a country where he's not a citizen draws absolutely no parallel to a pedophile sexually assaulting a child. Are you serious?

 

[CraigV]

Illegal alien finding work in a country where he's not a citizen draws absolutely no parallel to a pedophile sexually assaulting a child. Are you serious?

Sure it does – both are illegal in this country. My point is, where do we draw the line?

 

[NicolasKL]

It's a matter of trying. Have they tried?

Why didn't you answer my questions?

So it's your assertion that anyone regardless of circumstance can get a work authorization with little cost?

 

[NicolasKL]

And that’s OK too – no one is saying you have to find it funny. But, that’s your choice to find offense in it. Does that mean it should be wrong for everyone though? Have we entered the realm of

Please don’t misunderstand – I’m not singling you out or trying to get on you about this, I’m just trying to ask a general question.

So it's your assertion that Salas, the person complaining about the costume, shouldn't be able to do so? I mean if that's not your assertion, that I don't really understand your point. She has the right to be offended and ***** about it, just like you have the right to not be offended and ***** about it.

 

[Matt34]

So it's your assertion that Salas, the person complaining about the costume, shouldn't be able to do so? I mean if that's not your assertion, that I don't really understand your point. She has the right to be offended and ***** about it, just like you have the right to not be offended and ***** about it.

That's not what he posted.

And that’s OK too – no one is saying you have to find it funny. But, that’s your choice to find offense in it. Does that mean it should be wrong for everyone though?

 

[lsiberian]

First off as a vet I have lived in many different places around the world and am better traveled than most people especially in the US. So don't think that I have an isolated Midwest US perspective on the world. A conservative yes, narrow minded no.

Everyone has been screwed over in the past one way or another, I don't complain about the Germans invading Poland and wanting reparations or handouts because my ancestors were oppressed. The same should be true for Native Americans, African Americans, Mexican Americans, ect.... If we continue to make decisions based on favors owed for past occurrences then we will never move forward.

I'm not saying that we should close the borders and not allow immigration, immigration is one of the foundations of this great country and it should be encouraged. However, you must play by the rules and be held accountable to the same payments and sociological prerequisites as the rest of the American Taxpayers. I would say this is partially due to the government policies that are in place that are not streamlined like they aught to be.

When you start breaking laws in the name of "what is right for you at the time" that becomes a slippery slope.

What if a law is unjust?

 

[Matt34]

Why didn't you answer my questions?

So it's your assertion that anyone regardless of circumstance can get a work authorization with little cost?

How easy should it be to become a citizen of this country? Just cross the border? $100 and some paperwork? What exactly would you want to see?

This entitlement attitude is spreading like wildfire and frankly making me sick. We do not owe these people anything; we are not the world’s bank, hotel and health provider. You go through the legal process even if it takes some sacrifice and time or you get your butt deported.

Next time I go to the bank I'm going to demand $500 because I came through the doors and they have more money than me.