Man vs. God

[NicolasKL]

Andromeda is on its way I doubt anyone will rise from the dead just become cosmic dust for another beginning someplace and time.

Everything on earth will already be dead due to increases in solar luminosity anyway. We've only got about a billion years to get out of Dodge.

 

[Adam]

So, in another word, you have to have personal experience before you accept or believe anything? And, therefore it doesn't exit for you?

Did you hear a loud boom as the point passed over your head?

J/K with you, Mtry. No, I don't. I believe that there's an Idaho. I believe that humans walked on the Moon. I believe plenty of things that I have no personal proof to support. However, my point is that for those on here that claim that something cannot exist because they have no proof it, how many other things do they simply accept on faith? Somebody writing something down in a book clearly isn't evidence enough, so why believe all the "science" that you learned from a book in school as absolute fact? Besides, believing that the lack of evidence equates to a lack of existence would make for very boring scientists.

 

[mtrycrafts]

.. but it does a very poor job of dealing with the spiritual realm. Don't get me wrong I do science for a living, but it falls very short when it comes the things of the spirit.

Perhaps because it is a state of mind only? Nothing to test, not falsifiable, etc. Maybe a philosopher can explain it?

 

[Adam]

Nothing to test, not falsifiable, etc. Maybe a philosopher can explain it?

Sounds like string theory until they get the LHC online (and perhaps even afterwards).

 

[mtrycrafts]

... We've only got about a billion years to get out of Dodge.

I'll start getting ready and start packing for the long journey

 

[Adam]

I'll start getting ready and start packing for the long journey

That, and I feel even better for having not wasted precious time making my bed all these years.

 

[markw]

I'll start getting ready and start packing for the long journey

Do ya think the Vorlons will still be waiting for us?

 

[mtrycrafts]

Do ya think the Vorlons will still be waiting for us?

Probably depends where they are at the time and if they know of what is to happen
Maybe I better find an alternate route/s?

 

[croseiv]

Perhaps because it is a state of mind only? Nothing to test, not falsifiable, etc. Maybe a philosopher can explain it?

My point is there is more to life (and death) than the cold hard facts of humanistic scientific reasoning.

 

[mtrycrafts]

...
All matter takes up space.

As do particles. Then, how can it be infinitely small?

...Compressing it increases the temperature (an indication of average molecular velocity), so as mentioned before, if it's in an infinitely small space, hte temperature and pressure are immense.

Why not infinite?

... If subatomic particles take up their given space and none were created during the Big Bang, how is it possible for these same particles to take up so much space now? If elements are compressed enough, they're either destroyed or fused, right? What happens to subatomic particles?

I'm not a scientist or mathematician, so I ask questions like these.

Perhaps just pure energy beforehand? How could it be infinitely small? Too immense to comprehend?

 

[mtrycrafts]

You just gotta have faith in the scientists that say it happened.

J/K!

I doubt they are saying it happened as I don't remember seeing any evidence for it. But, it can certainly be one explanation, a hypothesis, of negative or zero time events.

 

[NicolasKL]

Did you hear a loud boom as the point passed over your head?

J/K with you, Mtry. No, I don't. I believe that there's an Idaho. I believe that humans walked on the Moon. I believe plenty of things that I have no personal proof to support. However, my point is that for those on here that claim that something cannot exist because they have no proof it, how many other things do they simply accept on faith? Somebody writing something down in a book clearly isn't evidence enough, so why believe all the "science" that you learned from a book in school as absolute fact? Besides, believing that the lack of evidence equates to a lack of existence would make for very boring scientists.

I don't accept the existence of Idaho on faith. There is an immense mountain of evidence in support of the existence of Idaho, and virtually zero reason to invent the existence of Idaho.

The same cannot even remotely be said about the existence of God.

Trying to lump the two into the same category isn't rational.

 

[mtrycrafts]

Oh, religion can be wrong. ....

You may say this but when did the church say that the book was wrong? The cannot as then the book becomes fallible, no? And, once it is fallible it has no relevancy.

 

[lsiberian]

Why did you choose Christianity?

My life was a mess and Jesus offered hope, satisfaction and a relationship. I found myself feeling like the woman in John 8 condemn and convicted of the mess I'd made my life. I cried out to Jesus and he answered me he came and made a home in my life. He's lead me to every great thing in my life. The trips overseas, my degree, my wife, my calling and future. I was transformed as described in Romans page 12. It's an experience that transcends any other human experience.

My parents and brother can tell you that it made a huge difference in my life. They have mentioned it many times.

Before I settled on being a follower of the Jesus way. I was pretty deep into eastern mysticism. I used to practice Tajichaun, and chi-goong. I used to meditate in ice cold water and was advancing along at what I thought was a good rate. I longed for something to fill a void within and I found the truths of the Christian faith(ones in scripture not necessarily always shown) Loving your neighbors and being a servant to be the right way to live.

I would say that I don't know of an explanation of how a person can sit in ice cold water and not freeze by simply using a breathing exercise.

 

[mtrycrafts]

.... and non-religious people who don't.

....!

And how can that be? What would their basis for this be? It would have to come from religious sources.

 

[croseiv]

My life was a mess and Jesus offered hope, satisfaction and a relationship. .

Amen! Very well put...I was in a bad situation in my past and he bailed me out too..

 

[lsiberian]

I don't accept the existence of Idaho on faith. There is an immense mountain of evidence in support of the existence of Idaho, and virtually zero reason to invent the existence of Idaho.

The same cannot even remotely be said about the existence of God.

Trying to lump the two into the same category isn't rational.

Idaho is a man made place. Just like all boundaried areas.

Idaho was invented by men and didn't exist before it was colonized by white men.

It isn't a good example of concrete existence since it's an abstraction. One could argue all things are an abstraction if you dig deep enough. Abstractions are necessary for us to function in the world.

 

[NicolasKL]

As do particles. Then, how can it be infinitely small?

Why not infinite?

Perhaps just pure energy beforehand? How could it be infinitely small? Too immense to comprehend?

I think perhaps the main thing missing here as that at the densities we're talking about a singularity is formed in which general relativity breaks down, ie, the universe doesn't behave in the manner in which we're accustomed to. The same thing happens at the center of black holes (which are also singularities).

 

[NicolasKL]

Idaho is a man made place. Just like all boundaried areas.

Idaho was invented by men and didn't exist before it was colonized by white men.

It isn't a good example of concrete existence since it's an abstraction. One could argue all things are an abstraction if you dig deep enough. Abstractions are necessary for us to function in the world.

Semantics which completely ignore the point (and I wasn't the one that chose Idaho as an example). Pick whatever you like, Neptune, Oprah Winfrey, sea slugs, etc.

 

[mtrycrafts]

My point is there is more to life (and death) than the cold hard facts of humanistic scientific reasoning.

More in what sense? Philosophic? Mind exercises? Imagination?