2009-2010 NFL Season

[MinusTheBear]

How bout dem Saints

Yeah you must be really pissed that the Chargers gave you Brees instead of Rivers . All I can say is wow! Impressive indeed.

 

[jonnythan]

I'll cry myself to sleep

Apparently the first time any NFL QB ever threw for 6 TDs in a season opener.

AND the Saints put up over 150 yards of rushing.

Woot.

 

[MinusTheBear]

6 touchdown passes in a game is just sick.

I'm getting a headache thinking about the Pats vs Bills game. New England is probably going to have their way with them. A T.O touchdown celebration might brighten up the game .

 

[just listening]

I'm just saying that back in 1997 and 1998 people were making the same statements about TD that they now are about AP. They kept talking about how he was going to break every rushing record in football. He was also pretty sick, despite the awesome offensive line, and then he lost his legs.

As for the statement about RBs who run outside the tackles- Sanders was awesome, but you may want to watch some film on Dickerson, Payton, and Earl Campbell before you anoint AP . Those guys were absolutely insane in their days.

Terrell Davis had a very similar running style to Peterson, though not as fast. He always delivered the blow, much like AD. Sadly, his knee was blown out in the 1999 season by his own player while attempting to make a tackle during an interception. The following year he gutted out a thousand yard season even though the knee was in need of microfracture surgery. Davis' hardcore running style never would have allowed him to break the all-time records. But by any measure outside the East Coast voting block bias, Davis deserves inclusion in the Hall of Fame.

 

[adwilk]

I'll cry myself to sleep

Apparently the first time any NFL QB ever threw for 6 TDs in a season opener.

AND the Saints put up over 150 yards of rushing.

Woot.

Woohoo.... it was against such a good team too!

 

[lsiberian]

Terrell Davis had a very similar running style to Peterson, though not as fast. He always delivered the blow, much like AD. Sadly, his knee was blown out in the 1999 season by his own player while attempting to make a tackle during an interception. The following year he gutted out a thousand yard season even though the knee was in need of microfracture surgery. Davis' hardcore running style never would have allowed him to break the all-time records. But by any measure outside the East Coast voting block bias, Davis deserves inclusion in the Hall of Fame.

Agreed. Davis got Elway a Super bowl.

 

[MinusTheBear]

Agreed. Davis got Elway a Super bowl.

I disagree. I would say the offense line as a whole was the most important piece to that Denver offense over any one player. It allowed Davis to have the suceess he had and also protected an old and imobile John Elway. In those superbowl years John Elway was a totally different quarterback and played to the strength of the offense line.

 

[lsiberian]

I disagree. I would say the offense line as a whole was the most important piece to that Denver offense over any one player. It allowed Davis to have the suceess he had and also protected an old and imobile John Elway. In those superbowl years John Elway was a totally different quarterback and played to the strength of the offense line.

That's a bit cliche. Of course they are important, but a good RB helps too. no QB or WRs and your team will stink that's a fact we know all to well in Dallas.

Denver had an offense throughout the early 90s and late 80s. They even made the Super Bowl once. But they didn't win one until Davis showed up. Davis put them over the top IMO.

 

[sawzalot]

I disagree. I would say the offense line as a whole was the most important piece to that Denver offense over any one player. It allowed the Davis to have the suceess he had and also protected an old and imobile John Elway. In those superbowl years John Elway was a totally different quarterback and played to the strength of the offense line.

+1


I agree with that offensive line statement, no doubt they were the heart of that championship caliber team.We (football co-horts) used to always ask each other ,why doesn't our team see the need for an offensive line like that one, strength , smarts , and an ultimate desire to win, sometimes more than not the O lines just look discouraged as if they dont have a chance, that always leaves a sinking feeling and it just gives that , here we go again attitude.

 

[sawzalot]

We are suffering with a make shift line right now and the intro of K.Kolb as the starter next week , at home , against N.O., could spell complete disaster for any hopes of a win.Thankfully the Defense is playing out of their minds already and that will surely slow down brees and co..
The O line is too damn important to not pay close attention to during the draft , I know we all get ticked when they select one of those brutes but really they are good picks for the success of the team , overall.I like the looks of the Giants O-Line , and the Patriots they have those old Denver O-Line kind of guys.
Just my .02 on the subject as I am already worried about our line,

 

[darien87]

Terell Davis was good but is no Adrian Peterson. Look what Clinton Portis did when he was put behind that Denver O-line (who they ended up trading). I never said he WAS the best but POSSIBLY the best. There is nobody comparable that runs outside the tackles as well as Peterson does EVER besides Barry Sanders in his prime (who never had an dominate offensive line throughout his entire career). Peterson is a freak plain in and simple and is a step above any running back in the league which is full of super talented rb's.

Wow. So LT has a couple of sub-par seasons, (for him but great for just about anyone else), and people forget all about him. AP better than LT???? Gimme a break.

 

[darien87]

Yeah you must be really pissed that the Chargers gave you Brees instead of Rivers . All I can say is wow! Impressive indeed.

Let's not forget who they were playing. Geez, they gave up 27 points to the Lions!!!

But I'll always root for Drew, as long as he's not playing the Bolts.

 

[MinusTheBear]

That's a bit cliche. Of course they are important, but a good RB helps too. no QB or WRs and your team will stink that's a fact we know all to well in Dallas.

Denver had an offense throughout the early 90s and late 80s. They even made the Super Bowl once. But they didn't win one until Davis showed up. Davis put them over the top IMO.

How is that cliche, it is a fact. Is it a huge coindidence that all the great dynasty teams have superior offense lines. When Terell Davis career was done they put an unkown Clinton Portis behind there and he managed to be just as dominate as Terell Davis playing under that same core offensive line. Since Portis got traded to the Redskins his productivity has dropped. He plays under an average o-line and right now he is just an average back in the league. That wasn't the case in Denver.

 

[MinusTheBear]

Wow. So LT has a couple of sub-par seasons, (for him but great for just about anyone else), and people forget all about him. AP better than LT???? Gimme a break.

As a pure running back Adrian Peterson is the better back. For a complete running back coming out of the backfield I give the nod to LT who is the best at that.

 

[aberkowitz]

How is that cliche, it is a fact. Is it a huge coindidence that all the great dynasty teams have superior offense lines. When Terell Davis career was done they put an unkown Clinton Portis behind there and he managed to be just as dominate as Terell Davis playing under that same core offensive line. Since Portis got traded to the Redskins his productivity has dropped. He plays under an average o-line and right now he is just an average back in the league. That wasn't the case in Denver.

Sorry, but that's a terrible comparison. Clinton Portis is a stud running back in the NFL, and has been for his entire career. From a pure statistics perspective, Portis' best year came in 2003 with the Broncos, but he was also playing for a Broncos team that went 10-6 and had a solid Jake Plummer at QB, Shannon Sharpe catching balls, the great O-Line, and an above average Defense. In his career with Washington he's never played in a very stable system (many thanks to Daniel Snyder), with crap QBs, a mediocre O-Line and at best an average to above average defense.

Portis has been the ONLY option in DC and excluding the one season he was injured and missed half the games, he's averaged 1400 yards a season, 10 TDs, around 4 yards per carry, and 35 receptions for another 350 yards. He also plays in the best defensive division in football against 3 teams that pride themselves in stopping the run.

Also remember, Portis is now in his 8th season in the league. The average RB's career lasts about 3-4 years. He's certainly not among the top 5 backs in the league, but he's also not an average back.

 

[sawzalot]

I agree that Portis is above the definition of average back, but I think the point being made is the same as yours, except you added the QB and Sharpe, its the O line that made it all happen in Denver and that was the most productive time for Portis, now with all that Wash. has to offer he really has to work twice as hard to finish just above the average back's numbers. I give the guy alot of credit he manages to look good with all the junk around him.

 

[MinusTheBear]

I agree that Portis is above the definition of average back, but I think the point being made is the same as yours, except you added the QB and Sharpe, its the O line that made it all happen in Denver and that was the most productive time for Portis, now with all that Wash. has to offer he really has to work twice as hard to finish just above the average back's numbers. I give the guy alot of credit he manages to look good with all the junk around him.

I still can't believe to this day Washington traded Champ Bailey for Clinton Portis. +1 for Denver on that trade. Denver just added a double running back attack during that period. IIRC they were one of the first teams to do it sucessfully.

 

[sawzalot]

Hey guys, I know this is the football thread and I did look around for a somewhat updated baseball thread, none to speak of so if you dont mind I would like to share this with you guys I hope it makes you feel the way I did when I saw it, GOOD, with a smile...
http://www.comcast.net/sports/russakoffrules/30893/twoyearoldboyknowsmorethansarge/

 

[MinusTheBear]

Kudos to the Buffalo Bills. You guys deserved to share the national spotlight tonight. If it wasn't for a brain fart on the 2nd year cb/returner we would have probably won the game. New England fans you should feel lucky to win that one.

Brady you are a spoiled brat, you won the game and still acted like a baby when asked questions after the game. You are a jerk.

 

[jonnythan]

Let's not forget who they were playing. Geez, they gave up 27 points to the Lions!!!

But I'll always root for Drew, as long as he's not playing the Bolts.

Good point.

The Raiders, however, are the class of the league, and the Chargers should be awfully proud to have 62 yards of total offense against them in the first half. Boy, I wish Brees could go 7 of 9 for 46 yards and 0 TDs against a team as good as the Raiders. 350+ with 6 TDs is nothing considering it was against the Lions.