wah wah red chicklet + politics thread

[jinjuku]

In regards to the DVD issue, yes, I said you could use the DVD you purchased as many times as you wished.

The question was a simple one, but please let me elaborate. A company goes through a lot of expense to put a movie on to a DVD.

This is done for the purpose of making a profit.

If people are allowed to make copies, each copy will dilute the company's ability to make a profit.

If a company cannot make a profit on a product, the desire for the company to make a product will decrease, and eventually end.

In this case, the question was:

If making copies of DVDs was made legal ...

Why would any company bother with all the expense of putting out the DVD ?

I expressly stipulated two points: First Sale Doctrine and Fair Use.

Me ripping my CD collection so I can play audio on both my home theater PC and my portable MP3 player does nothing to dilute any record labels profits.

DVD's are no different. Please don't gloss over the fact that I made a point of mentioning:

1. Fair Use
2. Doctrine of First Sale
3. CD's and Magnetic Tape Mediums are perfectly legitimate/legal to make a copy of in the boundaries of point 1 and 2.

So, how are DVD's different from MP3's? I have an 8 hour flight coming up. Maybe I would like to put my legally obtained copy of Master and Commander, Alien/Aliens, Office Space on a PMP so I can watch a movie or four during my flight.

Again the in-ability (legally speaking) is a direct impingement on what used to be both my fair use and first sale doctrine by large corporate interests.

 

[jinjuku]

One problem with healthy food is that it costs more to eat well than to eat fast. For $2, someone can go to McD's or some other place and get two burgers and for even less, two good sized burritos at Taco Bell. That will fill a gullet pretty well. It's not healthy food but it does the job. If someone wants to make two burgers, it will definitely cost more and take more time.

As far as the price of cigarettes, I don't give a rat's *** and if it makes one person stop smoking, it's a good thing. Cigarettes killed both of my parents and I have no use for anyone who complains about the price of suicide.

In this country, fast and cheap has taken the place of quality, in all aspects of life. People will settle for less if it's cheaper and then if it breaks, they'll replace it. I have a major problem with that mentality.

As far as the legal copying of magnetic media- the only time that has ever been considered legal is when the copier makes it for their own use, never for copies to be given away or sold. We all know people who have made copies for others and when this happens, it's not only the record company or movie studio who suffers, the writer loses their share.

Agreed about fast food / price / convenience . I don't know about others but I fortunately have a grocery store of good quality no more than a few minutes down the road. They have a soup/salad bar and a hot bar.

For around $5 I can have a healthy lunch that I get to put together. That easy access does play into me doing it in the first place.

As far as copying content, people do the wrong thing, I am not about to be punished for that. DRM has the unique ability to punish the good customers where as the people that pirate actually don't have to deal with it. Ironic.

Last time I checked the movie studios where making bank. I will be sad they day physical media dies and you can no longer own content. Only license

 

[Adam]

Fast food - finally something I can understand!

 

[Midcow2]

Fast food - finally something I can understand!

.... and HT

Take Care Adam

MidCow2

 

[craigsub]

I expressly stipulated two points: First Sale Doctrine and Fair Use.

Me ripping my CD collection so I can play audio on both my home theater PC and my portable MP3 player does nothing to dilute any record labels profits.

DVD's are no different. Please don't gloss over the fact that I made a point of mentioning:

1. Fair Use
2. Doctrine of First Sale
3. CD's and Magnetic Tape Mediums are perfectly legitimate/legal to make a copy of in the boundaries of point 1 and 2.

So, how are DVD's different from MP3's? I have an 8 hour flight coming up. Maybe I would like to put my legally obtained copy of Master and Commander, Alien/Aliens, Office Space on a PMP so I can watch a movie or four during my flight.

Again the in-ability (legally speaking) is a direct impingement on what used to be both my fair use and first sale doctrine by large corporate interests.

Your first post in this regard was what prompted me to ask the question. Here is your first post:

No you don't have liberty from Big Business. When was the last time you could make a legal backup/copy of a DVD that you owned?

You don't mention a thing about watching movies on flights, Fair use ... etc ... You mention making a backup or copy. If people are allowed to make copies, then companies are going to lose the profit motive for producing a disc.

And the rules about DVD's are quite clear when you purchase them. You don't have to make the purchase. Therefore, you have complete liberty from Big Business.

As for your flight, take your laptop computer. They are excellent for watching movies.

 

[highfigh]

Agreed about fast food / price / convenience . I don't know about others but I fortunately have a grocery store of good quality no more than a few minutes down the road. They have a soup/salad bar and a hot bar.

For around $5 I can have a healthy lunch that I get to put together. That easy access does play into me doing it in the first place.

As far as copying content, people do the wrong thing, I am not about to be punished for that. DRM has the unique ability to punish the good customers where as the people that pirate actually don't have to deal with it. Ironic.

Last time I checked the movie studios where making bank. I will be sad they day physical media dies and you can no longer own content. Only license

OK, so now think about the people who need to spend less than $5 per day. They clearly can't afford that salad bar, regardless of the fact that it's healthier.

Eating well and eating healthy food is expensive. Eating a lot can be pretty cheap.

As far as copying, the majority is usually punished/limited because of the crimes of the minority.

 

[craigsub]

I am leaving for a seminar on Sub-Prime financing in the auto world. The seminar is in the Detroit area, and I won't be here until Wednesday.

I am actually going to miss this place.

 

[jinjuku]

Your first post in this regard was what prompted me to ask the question. Here is your first post:



You don't mention a thing about watching movies on flights, Fair use ... etc ... You mention making a backup or copy. If people are allowed to make copies, then companies are going to lose the profit motive for producing a disc.

And the rules about DVD's are quite clear when you purchase them. You don't have to make the purchase. Therefore, you have complete liberty from Big Business.

As for your flight, take your laptop computer. They are excellent for watching movies.

I don't remember seeing any rules when going to purchase a DVD. People are allowed to make copies of CD's. I see record labels are still around.

Laptop computers routinely will have about 2 hrs of usable battery life. PMP's like the Archos 5 and 7 will have more in the neighborhood of 6+. Not to mention that they are smaller and lighter.

The ability to circumvent CSS/ACSS is a function of the FCC. This may change with the next evaluation of the rules.

And I will say it again. The question was asked what LIBERTIES were impinged by big business. Fair Use and First Sale Doctrine are liberties. These rights in the market place came to us via SCOTUS.

So your whole buy/don't buy argument? Not holding much water. It's actually not illegal to copy a DVD. It is illegal to circumvent the encryption however that keeps you from exercising your fair use. If a DVD doesn't have CSS on it. No problem.

What Hollywood did was an end run.

 

[jinjuku]

OK, so now think about the people who need to spend less than $5 per day. They clearly can't afford that salad bar, regardless of the fact that it's healthier.

Eating well and eating healthy food is expensive. Eating a lot can be pretty cheap.

As far as copying, the majority is usually punished/limited because of the crimes of the minority.

I brown bagged for years...

 

[jinjuku]

I am leaving for a seminar on Sub-Prime financing in the auto world. The seminar is in the Detroit area, and I won't be here until Wednesday.

I am actually going to miss this place.

I am from around Detroit (Ann Arbor) if you haven't: Try Slow's BBQ'. That place is smokin' (pun intended).

If you are out Ann Arbor way try Zingermans Delicatessen. Get the Reuben.

 

[jinjuku]

When I posted:

No you don't have liberty from Big Business. When was the last time you could make a legal backup/copy of a DVD that you owned?

I thought that the words: 'legal backup/copy' and 'owned' were descriptive terms that were substantiating that they weren't being copied for nefarious purposes. That studios indeed received $$ for their effort. I think that it is unfortunate that I can make a legal backup/transcode of my CD collection but not my movie collection. All due to the DMCA.

Sorry about that.

Plenty of law abiding citizens purchase their music everyday. I think it is a bit sad that illicit copying of creative works seems so common place and that the attitude by the people doing it is blass'e.

I would hate to be a talented artist that isn't doing something that is what is manufactured now days. Hopefully the upside of the 'sharing' culture will be of benefit also.

I would rather listen to Kaki King any day of the week vs Brittney.

 

[JLMEMT]

History is a valuable teacher.

Too bad far too many in this country apparently failed it!

 

[JLMEMT]

I'm not quite sure I understand the purpose of this thread...

First, that description of Hitler's life is borderline misleading. There were many more important experiences that shaped his views on life and his country than just the fact that his father abandoned him. Hitler was a wanna be artist/architect, a voracious reader, a soldier (some would call him a battlefield hero, a spy, a propagandist, a failed politician (almost hunted for treason), and a prisoner before he wrote Mein Kampf. He did not burst on the scene for national office- he had slowly built up a steady base as part of his party, even before he went to prison, and was very well known within Bavaria and to a lesser extent the rest of Germany. I will also add that Hitler's condemnation of the Jews was not something he invented as a mature adult running for office- his anti-Semitic beliefs extended very far back to his days as a young adult.

I'm not going to take the time to explain every point that was written, but whomever wrote this originally did a piss-poor job at understanding the life of Adolf Hitler, his origins, and his motives. I would also add that very little thought was given to the state of Germany and greater Europe at the time.

To try and equate the rise and life of Hitler to the rise of Obama (which is my interpretation of the text based on how it was written- apologies if I'm mistaken) is absolutely sick and twisted. Trying to make a comparison between anybody and a man who was one of the greatest villains in history just because you disagree with their politics is immature and asinine.

P.S. This is NOT an attack at the OP... I assume this was found/received in an email as opposed to it being written.

I partially agree. This one was quite obviously written to make you sure that it was Obama.

Though I have seen a much better one, that I think you would have less problems with, that still shows the similarities. I will see if I can locate it.

 

[highfigh]

I brown bagged for years...

But that's a sensible decision and many people who are perpetually on welfare aren't known for that. Some of the decisions that put them in their position took place when they were kids, ranging from being abused, neglected, the result of the mother's drug and alcohol abuse, etc. Once their self esteem is gone, it's only a matter of time until they really kick the "failure to succeed" wagon into high gear.

 

[MidnightSensi]

But that's a sensible decision and many people who are perpetually on welfare aren't known for that. Some of the decisions that put them in their position took place when they were kids, ranging from being abused, neglected, the result of the mother's drug and alcohol abuse, etc. Once their self esteem is gone, it's only a matter of time until they really kick the "failure to succeed" wagon into high gear.

Where I grew up there was this, but, also there was kind of a fork or either go the job route where you might not have much fun or make any money, but then theres this other option...we get introduced to a product where we can be our own boss, work our own hours, and make good money: slangin drugs. Even making bank you still pickup your wellfare check, but, really it becomes its own little economy. Opa-Locka's Triangle really suffers with this.

 

[Adam]

Man, I feel so deprived. I didn't have the drug-dealing option when I was growing up. Some people get all of life's opportunities just handed to them.

 

[MinusTheBear]

Man, I feel so deprived. I didn't have the drug-dealing option when I was growing up. Some people get all of life's opportunities just handed to them.

There is quite the economy in and around a college/university. Higher learning.

 

[highfigh]

Man, I feel so deprived. I didn't have the drug-dealing option when I was growing up. Some people get all of life's opportunities just handed to them.

If this had all happened 20 years ago, I'd be calling the government asking for a big bag of bailout, if you know what I mean.

 

[JLMEMT]

Aberkowitz, you are correct it was just some information I received and posted to stimulate the mind. It is not my opinion or writing. Oh well, apparently I p*ssed off someone to give a unsigned red chicklet. Sorry, didn't mean to offend anyone.

Peace,

MidCow2

P.S. - It was posted in a Steam Vent thread

That is why I don't give ratings to non-audio posts. I want to know, when I look at someone's rating, that they know audio not that they agree with me politically.

I use the thanks for these, then people know I agree.

 

[Alex2507]

I want to know, when I look at someone's rating, that they know audio.

You are in the wrong place.
Around here the rating does not reflect how much you know about audio.
That much, even I know.