Nemo128
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I think the exchange of ideas can be healthy, as long as people don't get pissed off at each other for their differing views, as jamie said.
By definition, underwriting does not take place on a showroom floor.You work with the dealers on the showroom floor this is where all the underwiting takes place, it is where they sell the extended warranties tell the truth!
I am not just a guy yapping on the internet, you seem to have forgotten that I work in the manufacturing plants for almost all major manufacturers as a vendor for "quality control equipment" in the US stated earlier in this post. So I see almost all of the problems that they are having first hand. Tell the truth!
Your partner runs the dealerships so all of what you hear is from a dealers prospective second hand.
The reason why I have only posted negative stuff about Ford is because you attacked me earlier in the post and started bragging about Ford.
Tell the truth I did not say that every post was absurd here!
Sorry to disappoint Sensi, I drive an RSX-S, not a TL.My friend bought a Acura TL for his wife, that thing is such a nice car. I'm jealous.
Toyota has also asked the Japanese Government for cash.True, but more importantly, GM Corp NA employees 250k people at the corporate level alone. That's not counting franchised dealers, parts suppliers, temporary staff, contractor employees, and contracted support agencies. Do we really, as a society, want to see that many people systematically canned? Do we honestly believe there are enough jobs in the market for all those people to return to work immediately? I think people are much to shortsighted about this problem. Not you, jonny, but people who don't look at the VERY HUGE picture.
Sorry craig, I like ya, but I had to:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2009/mar/03/gm-requests-state-aid-to-survive
http://www.autonews.com/article/20090116/ANA02/901169978/1078
Granted, I believe that if we wanted to do this the right way, they'd hold a public election to decide the fate of GM's CEO, much like a board of the company would do. But again, look at the very huge picture. Bankruptcy would supposedly cost less in the end, but what will happen to parts suppliers when GM's debt to them is erased? Chain bankruptcy perhaps? I'm no expert, I just seriously doubt the general population can have much confidence in a company that is in the financial crapper, yet has no change in management.
Again, I'm no expert and I'm not trying to pretend I am, this is just my opinion and I honestly don't think it's worth much. I just really believe that the majority of people who look at this situation don't see just how unbelievably massive the problem is. It goes beyond our borders, it goes beyond our job and stock markets, and it goes far beyond all this capitalism/socialism/communism/democratic/republican/liberal/conservative/rich/poor propoganda every person on every side of every argument keeps screaming about and blaming others for.
Why Buckeye_Nut gets a free pass I'll never know! My guess is he has pictures of the mods or its because they share the same party lines.UMMMMMM its a political thread buy the one and only Buckeye. That should say enough about this thread Matt..CLOSE IT and we should start banning political threads as they just seem to pisss everyone off........
<3 Ford. And Honda. And BMW....Yet Ford isn't the ones asking for a bailout.
Now do the same type of hostile write-up for Honda and Toyota. I already gave you a head start by posting a link to Toyotas catching fire and hiding recalls, but there are plenty of others out there for you to find. You do seem to have gone to a lot of trouble dig up every recall Ford ever had. Perhaps you could do an equally scathing review of Mitsubishi covering up safety defects in their vehicles, to the point that their executives received criminal convictions and led to at least one executive suicide.Defending my character1
Please see prior post, lets get back to the subject of Why Obama had the head of GM fired and is attempting to nationalize the automotive industry, and automotive company bankruptcy please.Now do the same type of hostile write-up for Honda and Toyota. I already gave you a head start by posting a link to Toyotas catching fire and hiding recalls, but there are plenty of others out there for you to find. You do seem to have gone to a lot of trouble dig up every recall Ford ever had. Perhaps you could do an equally scathing review of Mitsubishi covering up safety defects in their vehicles, to the point that their executives received criminal convictions and led to at least one executive suicide.
For the record, my current Town Car was listed under a recall but it did not catch fire. My previous Explorer did not roll over. Nor did my F-150 catch fire, roll over or eject spark plugs. In fact, my Crown Vic did not have any peeling paint. In fact, none of my Fords have ever had any paint peel.
To be fair, and this applies to the many, many recalls of offshore brands as well, recalls can be initiated by a single incident and the recall initiated due to the "potential" for similar incidents occurring. I hope you would be willing to admit that ALL manufacturers have had multiple recalls issued and that this is not a situation that is unique to Ford or North American manufacturers in general.
It's all in the questions you ask. For instance:Please see prior post, lets get back to the subject of Why Obama had the head of GM fired and is attempting to nationalize the automotive industry, and automotive company bankruptcy please.
Trying to nationalize the auto industry?Please see prior post, lets get back to the subject of Why Obama had the head of GM fired and is attempting to nationalize the automotive industry, and automotive company bankruptcy please.
Don't worry, they're not too far away from it.Trying to nationalize the auto industry?
What was the alternative? Let GM and Chrysler close up shop? You'll notice he's leaving Ford alone. Ford didn't go completely bankrupt and beg for billions of government dollars.
You're essentially claiming that Obama is planning to take over Ford as well.Don't worry, they're not too far away from it.