A Lesson in Taxation

[rnatalli]

Then why is it different for others?

Not everyone is at the same level and not everyone has the same level of luck. For example, I went to an Ivy League school which I paid for by busting my hump. This gave me an early jump on income. But not everyone is capable of going to such a school and even if they were, there simply isn't enough slots which is a problem in itself. It also doesn't mean there aren't many far smarter than I working at McDonald's. My best friend is a good example who committed suicide almost 2 years ago and had an IQ in excess of 145. My point being that not everyone who works hard and/or is smart gets rewarded.

 

[mulester7]

I think that's a little personal

.....well, he was brave enough to post how much he was being "penalized".....

 

[lsiberian]

Not everyone is at the same level and not everyone has the same level of luck. For example, I went to an Ivy League school which I paid for by busting my hump. This gave me an early jump on income. But not everyone is capable of going to such a school and even if they were, there simply isn't enough slots which is a problem in itself. It also doesn't mean there aren't many far smarter than I working at McDonald's. My best friend who committed suicide almost 2 years ago had an IQ in excess of 145. My point being that not everyone who works hard and/or is smart gets rewarded.

I was referring to the motivation.

I could be much more greedy, but I choose not to be. Though I know I need more work in this area.

 

[Rickster71]

That said, I'm not saying socialism is better than capitalism. I think many fail to realize that both are needed and it comes down to how much of each.

There-in lies the rub.
Thirty years ago, I thought we had too much Socialism.

 

[Rickster71]

Visit Hati. There you can see firsthand the gap between the rich and the poor and how children starve while a small group of people...

In our own nation there are numerous children in our own nation that go to bed without a meal.

Sounds like most of this is caused by over population.
Greed is only the tip of the iceberg.
The fact that all over the world, people insist on having children they cannot fed, has to be the single most despicable thing in human kind.
Greed will always take a back seat to that abhorrent behavior.

Of course the problem with the government doing it. Is that they suck at everything. So I don't know if the tax system is the way to go.

Exactly. More socialism means bigger government; and as you said, "they suck at everything"

 

[Nemo128]

Real solution? They should all stop drinking every night before they kill their livers.

 

[lsiberian]

Sounds like most of this is caused by over population.
Greed is only the tip of the iceberg.
The fact that all over the world, people insist on having children they cannot fed, has to be the single most despicable thing in human kind.
Greed will always take a back seat to that abhorrent behavior.


Exactly. More socialism means bigger government; and as you said, "they suck at everything"

Actually that's not the issue in Hati.

The soil and lack of employment are the biggest problems.

 

[Rickster71]

I was speaking worldwide.
I still stand by what I said: The fact that all over the world, people insist on having children they cannot feed, has to be the single most despicable thing in human kind.
Greed will always take a back seat to that abhorrent behavior.

 

[mulester7]

I was speaking worldwide.
I still stand by what I said: The fact that all over the world, people insist on having children they cannot fed, has to be the single most despicable thing in human kind.
Greed will always take a back seat to that abhorrent behavior.

.....agreed, Rickster.....

 

[itschris]

Wherin lies the fairness? And don't give me this life isn't fair nonesense. At some point and I'm getting their very fast, I will no longer find it worth it to do what I do... not becasue my compensation is too little, but because liberals decide to take too much. Keep taking and taking and taking and you know what.. you won't have me here to take from. Believe me, I'm not alone in my sentiment.

If you want to play that life isn't fair card, than why does it not apply to someone in a lower tax bracket? Why only the higher ones?

I've worked 100 hour weeks on a regular basis, dealt with a ton of stress, have had to make brutal decisions, and can say without hesitation that at least part of the success of where I've worked can be attributed directly to decisions I've made and work I've done. And as a result, a lot of other people... those who make less and don't ever have to worry about any of what I do, have benefited greatly through a forever rising stock price which all of us have a peice of through our ESOP and by continuing to have a job at a strong company that has continued to weather the storm and grow despite all that has gone on because of me and the others like me at my level and above continue to do the task at hand. Is that not giving? Does that not count for anything? Or should I just say **** it and hand over my paycheck and do what I do for free?

Please. There's a reason some people make more money than others... and some a lot more. My boss is the CFO and makes close to $1mm in total comp. If you were to ask me, he's earned every single penny of that. Without his and others leadership, our company would not have been where it is today. And for someone to say, he shouldn't get that or he ought to give more to people not even paying taxes is just flat out idiotic.

Most of the people who thnk the world owes them a living don't even understand they have what they do because there is someone else above them doing something much more difficult, sophisticated, whatever that affords them what they have in the first place.

I've been poor.. Dirt poor to the point where I had to move in with my mom after my old company got bought out and collapsed. I never once asked for a handout nor did I ever expect or even think that someone else more fortunate than me ought to raise my lot in life just because they happen to make more money. I literally dug ditches during the day and was a bouncer at a filthy strip club at night. I did what I knew I had to do. I sacrificed and started over and slowly fought to regain what I had lost. I did it through hard work and support of my friends and family, but never once thought that taking from someoine else was the answer.

 

[Alex2507]

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

Well if itschris would work harder and earn more I wouldn't run out of his money as fast.

C'mon Chris, lighten up. It's only money. You still got your health, right?

I'm really glad he can't get his hands on me.

 

[lsiberian]

Wherin lies the fairness? And don't give me this life isn't fair nonesense. At some point and I'm getting their very fast, I will no longer find it worth it to do what I do... not becasue my compensation is too little, but because liberals decide to take too much. Keep taking and taking and taking and you know what.. you won't have me here to take from. Believe me, I'm not alone in my sentiment.

If you want to play that life isn't fair card, than why does it not apply to someone in a lower tax bracket? Why only the higher ones?

I've worked 100 hour weeks on a regular basis, dealt with a ton of stress, have had to make brutal decisions, and can say without hesitation that at least part of the success of where I've worked can be attributed directly to decisions I've made and work I've done. And as a result, a lot of other people... those who make less and don't ever have to worry about any of what I do, have benefited greatly through a forever rising stock price which all of us have a peice of through our ESOP and by continuing to have a job at a strong company that has continued to weather the storm and grow despite all that has gone on because of me and the others like me at my level and above continue to do the task at hand. Is that not giving? Does that not count for anything? Or should I just say **** it and hand over my paycheck and do what I do for free?

Please. There's a reason some people make more money than others... and some a lot more. My boss is the CFO and makes close to $1mm in total comp. If you were to ask me, he's earned every single penny of that. Without his and others leadership, our company would not have been where it is today. And for someone to say, he shouldn't get that or he ought to give more to people not even paying taxes is just flat out idiotic.

Most of the people who thnk the world owes them a living don't even understand they have what they do because there is someone else above them doing something much more difficult, sophisticated, whatever that affords them what they have in the first place.

I've been poor.. Dirt poor to the point where I had to move in with my mom after my old company got bought out and collapsed. I never once asked for a handout nor did I ever expect or even think that someone else more fortunate than me ought to raise my lot in life just because they happen to make more money. I literally dug ditches during the day and was a bouncer at a filthy strip club at night. I did what I knew I had to do. I sacrificed and started over and slowly fought to regain what I had lost. I did it through hard work and support of my friends and family, but never once thought that taking from someoine else was the answer.

Your post highlight a lot of our issues. No one should be working 100 hours regardless of what they do. Unless they just love working 100 hours a week.

That is 4 full days of work. I don't know what you did, but I wouldn't want you doing it for me on your 90 -100 hours of the week. No one should have to work that hard to make a living. At the same time no one should get a hand out either unless they really can't work(elderly, disabled, etc)

I don't doubt that you work hard nor do I knock you for it. But our work shouldn't be motivated only by money. Our work should be motivated by a goal to improve the world we live in. That's why I make software. To make it easier for schools to manage their kids, staff etc.

In fact our primary motivation should be to improve the world we live in. In every act we do. I don't care what it is. If it isn't you need a motivation check. This topic is extremely complex and difficult to sort out and I'm confident many of us could help solve these issues.

I'm on this forum to improve peoples lives by helping them build a better sound system for less so they can enjoy the fruits of their labor. All the other things are side benefits.

 

[lsiberian]

Well if itschris would work harder and earn more I wouldn't run out of his money as fast.

C'mon Chris, lighten up. It's only money. You still got your health, right?

I'm really glad he can't get his hands on me.

Nah Your humor helps us to all get through complex issues. And diffuses some anger.

 

[mulester7]

.....ItsChris, yes, personal taxes from the rich is "going" to provide JOBS for American people, the middle-class....8 hours of WORK, 5 days a week....and the rich will do just fine, thanks, and not really even miss the money at all....but, good grief, how they will CRY OUT to The Heavens over it....that's greed....they should be aware their country is honestly in trouble and go along willingly, while still not missing ANY extravagance....you decide.....

.....I ain't gonna' hang out in the steam room talking politics much....this is a music site, pursuing the reproduction of....there's politics boards all over the internet....we oughta' be talkin' sound-systems.....

 

[Nemo128]

I've been poor.. Dirt poor to the point where I had to move in with my mom after my old company got bought out and collapsed.

Sorry but if you call that "dirt poor", you have no idea what being dirt poor really is. There's a reason it's called "dirt poor". It's cuz that's probably what you'd be sleeping on, covered in, and eating.

Not saying this to start a flame war or get another 2 negs from whatever tard did it for no reason in other Steam Vents. Just to illustrate the difference between being broke (you have to spend what you earn just to survive) and being dirt poor (you have nothing to spend and no way to get a job to have anything to spend).

I can see it now, here comes the "everyone has the opportunity to succeed" flaming...

 

[rnatalli]

Most of the people who thnk the world owes them a living don't even understand they have what they do because there is someone else above them doing something much more difficult, sophisticated, whatever that affords them what they have in the first place.

And some don't understand that they can't move forward without the help from all those poor bastards below. How far will we get without customers or workers? Who will fight the wars people on top start? We need them as much as they need us so get off your high horse. Your definitions of poor and hard work are pathetic to say the least. And for the record, I'll likely be CFO in the next 5 years and I will happily hand over an additional $8,300 per year to help the many that share the air I breath instead of coming to forums moaning about how bad I have it. I would have done this earlier this decade when I worked in investments, but Bush gave back money I truly didn't need. The last thing I want is a mob lacking healthcare and education lynching, stealing, and even worst, coughing my way.

 

[Rickster71]

I guess it all depends on what the definition of poor is...

A few of the questions of the article in the LA Times. When pictures of a homeless man taking pictures of Mrs. Obama (with his cell phone) while she worked in a soup kitchen. http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2009/03/michelle-obama.html

"If this unidentified meal recipient is too poor to buy his own food, how does he afford a cellphone?"
"And if he is homeless, where do they send the cellphone bills?"



Don't forget my theory:

A government either exploits a disaster, or creates a disaster, all to create a reaction. The reaction is then exploited, to prime the people for change -- in fact having them begging for it, at which time a "solution" is offered -- the solution the government wants.

In some cases the "solution" is actually not a solution... it appears to be one but actually it will become a problem, which will boil over into a crisis, which then gets a reaction, and then another solution. Which can repeat over and over.

All of this usually escapes detection, because quite simply it can easily be mistaken for an unexpected tragedy, and in the event that a "solution" turns into a problem it's hard to prove as deliberate and can simply be written off as incompetence.

 

[rnatalli]

Don't forget my theory:

A government either exploits a disaster, or creates a disaster, all to create a reaction. The reaction is then exploited, to prime the people for change -- in fact having them begging for it, at which time a "solution" is offered -- the solution the government wants.

In some cases the "solution" is actually not a solution... it appears to be one but actually it will become a problem, which will boil over into a crisis, which then gets a reaction, and then another solution. Which can repeat over and over.

All of this usually escapes detection, because quite simply it can easily be mistaken for an unexpected tragedy, and in the event that a "solution" turns into a problem it's hard to prove as deliberate and can simply be written off as incompetence.

You might be on to something. Bush used a disaster to take away our civil liberties and Obama will do the same for something else. I simply happen too agree with Obama's focus.

 

[bandphan]

This was posted here at some point as I remember reading it. It's so full of flaws it isn't even funny.

Ya i did and as way to get people to think , it seems pretty usefull

 

[rnatalli]

Ya i did and as way to get people to think , it seems pretty usefull

I think you posted in the wrong thread