A Lesson in Taxation

[craigsub]

You might want to read my post again. I didn't say people would think that you wrote it - I said that:



I wasn't trying to be a jerk, man. You don't need to get all snide with me.

Of course you weren't. You were trying to be helpful, as was I. I never typed anything about you saying anything about what people would think about my writing the original copy/paste, though. Go ahead and check. It's all still there.

And I clearly separated you from those people who are lacking in intelligence.

You did agree with that position, yes ?

 

[craigsub]

Now is when i'm normally give Adam a big ol' red chicklet signed "craigsub" and watch the hilarity ensue.

I far prefer open banter to whatever this chicklet thing is.

Come to think of it ... screw chicklets ... we need some good dark chocolate !

 

[craigsub]

Another one

Here is another copy/paste of a joke that I posted on TCA's forum 5 weeks ago. This is for my friend avaserfi ...

LOOKING FOR WORK:

An Israeli doctor says, 'Medicine in my country is so advanced that we can take a kidney out of one man, put it in another, and have him looking for work in six weeks.'

A German doctor says, 'That is nothing; we can take a lung out of one person, put it in another, and have him looking for work in four weeks.'

A Russian doctor says, 'In my country, medicine is so advanced that we can take half a heart out of one person, put it in another, and have them both looking for work in two weeks.'

The Texas doctor says, 'You guys are way behind. We recently took a man with no brains out of Texas, put him in the White House for eight years, and now half the country is looking for work.'

 

[Davemcc]

I think socialism that is government based is terrible as your examples show,

Thank you for recognizing that simple fact. It's a very simple case to make and it entirely negates your own assumption that the US government should follow that direction, doesn't it???

but socialism that is done by individuals through charitable work can be quite effective.

Then it not socialism at all...it's charity. Yet before charity can take place, the giver needs to take care of his own life's necessities before he can volunteer or earn the money to donate to charity. Hellllooooo capitalism...the easiest way to make so much money you can give it away to strangers..if you so choose to do that. You see, in the socialist system, the government donates your possessions to charity regardless of whether your own needs are met or whether you can afford it at all.

But please don't mistake the distinction between socialism and charity. Charity is voluntary. Socialism is forced and has no place in a free society.

China is growing very fast,

Why? Why? Why is China growing so fast? Because the US is sending so much of it's capitalist generated wealth to third world countries that the spinoff benefits of capitalism can feed the world and prevent poverty in countries as far away as China and India. But don't mistake for a second that the poor in China benefit in any way from China's vast treasure of US cash and bonds. China's Walmart Windfall is NOT spread evenly throughout the population as Socialist Utopians would have you believe. A small cadre of connected party officials and hangers-on enjoy the wealth while the workers eke out a subsistence living...a real life socialist Utopia.

and Cuba has some of the best economic indicators in the Caribbean. They only lack medical supplies because of our embargo. +

Oh don't get me started on Cuba. The US is one country with a small percent of the world's population. Cuba has the entire rest of the world to trade with. They can get medicine from Russia, China, France, Iran, Venezuela, well, the list is endless. America's choice to embargo Cuba has no calculable effect on Cuban's standard of living. Cuba's problem lies with it's dictatorial, communist, anti-commerce, anti-freedom government rule. If Cuba had a free trading, competitive economy in a free society, they wouldn't need to scapegoat US policy for Cuba's own inability to draw necessary resources from around the globe. In fact, Cuba largely relies on handouts from other communist nations, most notably Russia until Russia's communists bankrupted Russia, but Cuba now relies on handouts from Venezuela, China and Iran among other. Cuba relies on such handouts because it's social/political system does not allow it to produce enough value to trade anywhere on the globe for it's own necessities. This embargo fallacy is one of the biggest BS arguments I've ever heard.

Has democracy worked in every nation?

No...not everywhere. For instance, Algeria used it's democracy to elect a fundamentalist Islamic government and elections were never free or open again. Or Russia where the population chose to elect communists where a repressive centralist regime was imposed and eliminated Russia's hopes of a prosperous future.

Democracy is not an end in itself and should not be confused with free trade, open markets or capitalism. Democracy is simply the most recent and agreed upon political system that allows citizens a voice in their own government. A constitutional democracy or constitutionally limited republic like the US is the best expression of protecting citizens from their neighbors. Or at least it was until Obama's most recent Fascist move just today. Let me say it again, America is fast becoming a fascist state and needs to meet only one more condition until it is fully a fascist state...while the people applaud their leaders...but that's always the way a fascist state develops.

 

[craigsub]

Davemcc, at the risk of the wrath of others on this forum, that was an excellent post.

I gather you refer to the "voluntary" resignation of Rick Wagoner at the request of the White House when you refer to yet another step towards Facisim ?

I am looking through my copy of the constitiution, and cannot seem to find the part where the federal government is entitled to tell CEO's to "retire".

 

[Davemcc]

Davemcc, at the risk of the wrath of others on this forum, that was an excellent post.

I gather you refer to the "voluntary" resignation of Rick Wagoner at the request of the White House when you refer to yet another step towards Facisim ?

I am looking through my copy of the constitiution, and cannot seem to find the part where the federal government is entitled to tell CEO's to "retire".

Thanks, I try.

In fact I was referring to Wagoner's "coerced" retirement. But now it's not just his retirement but also the fact that the gov't prevents him from receiving severance like any other worker or executive in this country. It seems to me that the administration hasn't placed such demands on the banks that received hundreds of billions and where the gov't actually has an equity interest. In the case of GM, the gov't is only offering loans yet seems intent on taking over and controlling the company by decree, usurping the legitimate authority of the shareholders.

The lesson is this: Obama's opinion supersedes all others and must be obeyed.

 

[Nemo128]

Oh don't get me started on Cuba. The US is one country with a small percent of the world's population. Cuba has the entire rest of the world to trade with. They can get medicine from Russia, China, France, Iran, Venezuela, well, the list is endless. America's choice to embargo Cuba has no calculable effect on Cuban's standard of living. Cuba's problem lies with it's dictatorial, communist, anti-commerce, anti-freedom government rule. If Cuba had a free trading, competitive economy in a free society, they wouldn't need to scapegoat US policy for Cuba's own inability to draw necessary resources from around the globe. In fact, Cuba largely relies on handouts from other communist nations, most notably Russia until Russia's communists bankrupted Russia, but Cuba now relies on handouts from Venezuela, China and Iran among other. Cuba relies on such handouts because it's social/political system does not allow it to produce enough value to trade anywhere on the globe for it's own necessities. This embargo fallacy is one of the biggest BS arguments I've ever heard.

I had to rehash this.

Obviously you don't know a single person that ever lived in Cuba or lives in Cuba right now. You need to read up on how the US has really conducted business in both the Caribbean and the Latin American countries. Start with United Fruit. k thnx.

 

[rnatalli]

Personally, I would live in Denmark or Sweden (socialist) long before I head to a Middle-Eastern (conservative) country. Especially Denmark as they have some nice speakers

 

[aberkowitz]

Personally, I would live in Denmark or Sweden (socialist) long before I head to a Middle-Eastern (conservative) country. Especially Denmark as they have some nice speakers

Yes- but that's only because the women are smoking hot, the fish is tasty and smoked, and you can ski year round .

 

[rnatalli]

This is a little off topic, but I have to share. My dad was born in Sardinia, Italy. When he was younger, the Dutch government was looking to bring Italian men to the Netherlands to basically start mating and reproducing. The Dutch government was offering a free home, cash, good work, and a lot of blondes. He didn't go I suppose I should be happy since I wouldn't be here if he had gone.

 

[Nemo128]

Personally, I would live in Denmark or Sweden (socialist) long before I head to a Middle-Eastern (conservative) country. Especially Denmark as they have some nice speakers

The word "socialism" is typically thrown around by people too old to change their preconceived notions of it that were born in the pre-Cold War period, people too young to know any better so they take the words of the aforemenitoned elders for gospel, or people too misguilded and gullible to learn anything beyond their own upbringing.

And you're right, Denmark does have pretty sweet products and women.

 

[lsiberian]

I far prefer open banter to whatever this chicklet thing is.

Come to think of it ... screw chicklets ... we need some good dark chocolate !

Sounds good to me!

 

[lsiberian]

I had to rehash this.

Obviously you don't know a single person that ever lived in Cuba or lives in Cuba right now. You need to read up on how the US has really conducted business in both the Caribbean and the Latin American countries. Start with United Fruit. k thnx.

A very poor assumption. But I understand your attempt to attack my position with rhetoric. The reality is Cuba is doing better than many of the other Caribbean nations according to economic indicators.

Many nations struggle form a lack of opportunity actually. In Hati they have an 80 percent unemployment rate.

 

[Nemo128]

A very poor assumption. But I understand your attempt to attack my position with rhetoric. The reality is Cuba is doing better than many of the other Caribbean nations according to economic indicators.

Many nations struggle form a lack of opportunity actually. In Hati they have an 80 percent unemployment rate.

Um... go back to my post. I didn't quote you, I agreed with you. It was Davemmc disagreeing with you that I talked about. Reading is phundahmentol.

 

[Davemcc]

Obviously you don't know a single person that ever lived in Cuba or lives in Cuba right now.

Ah, but that's untrue. I've spent many hours discussing Cuba with a coworker who is a relatively recent Cuban emigree. I heard the stories of families waiting for their weekly bag of gov't supplied rice and beans, the primary food of Cubans. I heard how the economy thrives on tourists looking for cheap vacations and how you must be "connected" to even get a job at one of the gov't owned tourist resorts, even as a maid or dishwasher. Tourist hotel maids in Cuba are, apparently, upper class workers. Canada, to her, is an undreamed of land of opportunity when coming from such poverty as the real people of Cuba live.

You need to read up on how the US has really conducted business in both the Caribbean and the Latin American countries. Start with United Fruit. k thnx.

So you're saying that the U.S. embargo of Cuba is a good thing and in the interest of Cuba's citizens..to keep greedy capitalists out of the communist nirvana? Because you can't be suggesting that U.S. business interests move back into Cuba, right? Safe to say we are both in favor of the embargo?