Emotiva vs. Classe vs. Bryston

[ParadigmDawg]

Hey...what sub are you running with those little speakers of yours anyway???

Besides, he's going to buy an Emotiva I think. He seemed to indicate that earlier, so this thread is pretty much dead anyway..

 

[greggp2]

Seems so...

 

[greggp2]

I have a Def Tech Super Cube II... Not the best sub, but decent for HT, which is the only thing I really use it for...

 

[ParadigmDawg]

Yep, my little sister uses a few of those.

I have a Def Tech Super Cube II... Not the best sub, but decent for HT, which is the only thing I really use it for...

 

[greggp2]

I was eyeballing subs today. You think i should get something else?

 

[ParadigmDawg]

DIY only.....

I would easily put my sub up against a 6K JL.

 

[greggp2]

That's definitely not happening. The day I build a sub will be the day I have nothing else to do, and I always have something going on... I'm sure your sub rocks. The pic looks nice too. How long and how much did it cost you to build?

 

[ParadigmDawg]

I can't remember what I spent on it.

I don't really do stuff myself. Andrew built this one but all you need is a great driver, a lot of power and a cabinet maker.

The drivers are about 800 bucks (AP AXIS) but I can get them for 500 bucks through a buddy, I got mine for $300 and change when PE was having a sale. The amp is $350 or so and you could find a cabinet maker to do a box for 200-300 bucks.

That's definitely not happening. The day I build a sub will be the day I have nothing else to do, and I always have something going on... I'm sure your sub rocks. The pic looks nice too. How long and how much did it cost you to build?

 

[Thaedium]

So if all Amps pretty much sound the same, then are you saying the pre-pro processor is what generates the quality of the sound? Why is it that some systems have better imaging, depth and clarity than others? Is it the processors? Or the ability of the processor to just present the recorded image with as little coloration as possible?

Room acoustics.

Most of people go about trying to buy different or new products to try and solve a percieved imbalance. Truth is, the room is likely holding back and colouring the sound more then anything else.

In any case, if your S8's are just sounding loud and not clear as you get louder then its likely nothing to do with the amp. A better question is, how are you running them? By this I mean, are you running them set to Large, or are you passing the LFE on to a dedicate sub?

It has been my experience that Paradigm's speakers improve significantly once the LFE has been handed off to a dedicated sub or two. Ive really noted the difference lately since I've broken my Velo DD15 and now have to run my Studio's in large.

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

Amps - Like anything else, you buy according to your budget.

I was looking at those Wyred amps. The MC5x500 amp produces 1,225 Watts per Ch into 4 ohmns x 5 Channels, and it's only $3,895!

I have officially changed my mind from Rotel to Wyred amps!

Subs - If my memory serves me right, Tom Nousaine reviewed the Epik Conquest and it BESTED the $15,000 Velodyne!!!

 

[ParadigmDawg]

And a well done DIY will best that....

Subs - If my memory serves me right, Tom Nousaine reviewed the Epik Conquest and it BESTED the $15,000 Velodyne!!!

 

[Warpdrv]

Amps - Like anything else, you buy according to your budget.

I was looking at those Wyred amps. The MC5x500 amp produces 1,225 Watts per Ch into 4 ohmns x 5 Channels, and it's only $3,895!

I have officially changed my mind from Rotel to Wyred amps!

Subs - If my memory serves me right, Tom Nousaine reviewed the Epik Conquest and it BESTED the $15,000 Velodyne!!!

Good Call....

The Wyred amps are nice... not sure you need the 5x500, but to each their own... I'm very happy with my 3x500 4x250

Just good clean power... No Complaints from me... they will likely be at idle more then not, they also support a very nice super low noise floor...


For the best of the best in DIY... wait for the next edition of the TC-Sounds LMS.... they are making a come back...
Better save up for a heavy duty Power Amp...

 

[3db]

Still think Bryston is the way to go. The power, the solid construction and the lifetime warranty...

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

Good Call....

The Wyred amps are nice... not sure you need the 5x500, but to each their own... I'm very happy with my 3x500 4x250

Just good clean power... No Complaints from me... they will likely be at idle more then not, they also support a very nice super low noise floor...


For the best of the best in DIY... wait for the next edition of the TC-Sounds LMS.... they are making a come back...
Better save up for a heavy duty Power Amp...

So what's the difference between D-Sonics and Wyred 4 Sound (besides cost)?

Aesthetics?

And is this TC-Sounds LMS a power amp?

 

[lsiberian]

That's definitely not happening. The day I build a sub will be the day I have nothing else to do, and I always have something going on... I'm sure your sub rocks. The pic looks nice too. How long and how much did it cost you to build?

A sub wouldn't be to difficult especially an Axis build. Saw, glue, route hole drill binding post spot. Move on.

It's that simple. Hook up to a behringer amp or something similar paired with a DCX2496. Which you can run your mains through. And then you will have a sick setup.

 

[Josuah]

So what's the difference between D-Sonics and Wyred 4 Sound (besides cost)?

IIRC: Different configurations, and W4S has a higher input impedance, uses FETs in its input circuit, and runs a silver cable parallel to a copper one on the outputs.

OP: I have an Emotiva MPS-1 and a W4S ST-500. I like the W4S better. It seems to have a bit less noise and to control my Magnepan 1.6's a little better than the MPS-1 is able to. (Removing the Emotiva DMC-1 from the chain helped make things better too.)

The MINI MC amps use a different B&O ICEpower module than the others, and perform slightly worse than the non-MINI MC. I picked W4S over D-Sonic for looks and its higher input impedance.

What speakers are going to be driven? Of the ones originally mentioned, the Anthem is the only one I know of that will work with speakers that are _very hard_ to drive.

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

IIRC: Different configurations, and W4S has a higher input impedance, uses FETs in its input circuit, and runs a silver cable parallel to a copper one on the outputs.

OP: I have an Emotiva MPS-1 and a W4S ST-500. I like the W4S better. It seems to have a bit less noise and to control my Magnepan 1.6's a little better than the MPS-1 is able to. (Removing the Emotiva DMC-1 from the chain helped make things better too.)

The MINI MC amps use a different B&O ICEpower module than the others, and perform slightly worse than the non-MINI MC. I picked W4S over D-Sonic for looks and its higher input impedance.

What do you think about Gene saying that ICE-Powered Amps cannot produce > 500 Watts into 4 ohms RMS 20Hz-20kHz ?

I asked him about the Rotel, W4S, & D-Sonic ICE-power 500W 8ohms/1000W 4ohm amps and he said these amps canNOT produce the 1000W into 4 ohms Continuously @ full bandwidth:

http://forums.audioholics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=53753&page=5

 

[Warpdrv]

So what's the difference between D-Sonics and Wyred 4 Sound (besides cost)?

Aesthetics?

And is this TC-Sounds LMS a power amp?

Build quality, they Wyred is just more well thought out, whether all those tweaks they did to the unit as they state make a huge difference I'm not sure, but I'm very happy with my new amp...

Gene wasn't very clear about his answer, whether it was how much power at THD or how much power at all....

http://www.soundstagemagazine.com/measurements/amplifiers/belcanto_eone_ref1000/

Chances of you ever using all that power are slim to none anyways, those amps will most likely be at idle 90% of the time, and will produce very low percentage THD until you reach those incredible wattage outputs.

The Axiom amp at most can provide 1400w total divided up between all channels driven, and from all the reading I have done on that amp its not really the most reliable either... ask RMK!

I'm not trying to sell anything, but if the IcePower amps were no good, I would think that Kal Rubinson wouldn't continue to use them as his base amps for his B&W 802Ds in his system... And he just upgraded to the Bel Canto Ref 1000 MkII's Hmmmm http://www.stereophile.com/musicintheround/

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

Build quality, they Wyred is just more well thought out, whether all those tweaks they did to the unit as they state make a huge difference I'm not sure, but I'm very happy with my new amp...

Gene wasn't very clear about his answer, whether it was how much power at THD or how much power at all....

http://www.soundstagemagazine.com/measurements/amplifiers/belcanto_eone_ref1000/

Chances of you ever using all that power are slim to none anyways, those amps will most likely be at idle 90% of the time, and will produce very low percentage THD until you reach those incredible wattage outputs.

The Axiom amp at most can provide 1400w total divided up between all channels driven, and from all the reading I have done on that amp its not really the most reliable either... ask RMK!

I'm not trying to sell anything, but if the IcePower amps were no good, I would think that Kal Rubinson wouldn't continue to use them as his base amps for his B&W 802Ds in his system... And he just upgraded to the Bel Canto Ref 1000 MkII's Hmmmm http://www.stereophile.com/musicintheround/

Here is another review with actual measurements of the ICE amps (Rotel):
http://www.rotel.com/content/reviews/class d amplifiers/rb1091-hifinews-may06.pdf

Seems like they got 630W/8 ohms, 1200W/4 ohms, & 1580W/2 ohms @ 0.3%THD/10kHz & 0.6%THD/20kHz.

But I believe Gene's statement was that he has seen any ICE amps producing over 500W/4 ohms/20Hz-20kHz/0.1%THD ???

 

[Warpdrv]

Here is another review with actual measurements of the ICE amps (Rotel):
http://www.rotel.com/content/reviews/class d amplifiers/rb1091-hifinews-may06.pdf

Seems like they got 630W/8 ohms, 1200W/4 ohms, & 1580W/2 ohms @ 0.3%THD/10kHz & 0.6%THD/20kHz.

But I believe Gene's statement was that he has seen any ICE amps producing over 500W/4 ohms/20Hz-20kHz/0.1%THD ???

Seems to me that he's just promoting forum sponsor's...