R rnatalli Audioholic Ninja Jul 2, 2007 4,049 0 113 Sep 3, 2008 #661 Why all this talk about fossils? There's loads of evidence in our DNA code in the form of dormant genes. And the fact that the genome of a human and a primate are almost identical. However, one could argue that the creator was simply making adjustments and tweaks. Imagine, a few tweaks and you go from discussing amp design to swinging from trees
Why all this talk about fossils? There's loads of evidence in our DNA code in the form of dormant genes. And the fact that the genome of a human and a primate are almost identical. However, one could argue that the creator was simply making adjustments and tweaks. Imagine, a few tweaks and you go from discussing amp design to swinging from trees
Adam Audioholic Jedi Jul 5, 2006 32,066 0 113 Tucson, Arizona Sep 3, 2008 #662 rnatalli said: However, one could argue that the creator was simply making adjustments. Click to expand... Someone could also wonder which outcome was the desired one. Not to start down another path. Just a comment.
rnatalli said: However, one could argue that the creator was simply making adjustments. Click to expand... Someone could also wonder which outcome was the desired one. Not to start down another path. Just a comment.
R rnatalli Audioholic Ninja Jul 2, 2007 4,049 0 113 Sep 3, 2008 #663 Adam said: Someone could also wonder which outcome was the desired one. Not to start down another path. Just a comment. Click to expand... Good Lord. Imagine we find out there is a creator and we were mistakes. That would really suck.
Adam said: Someone could also wonder which outcome was the desired one. Not to start down another path. Just a comment. Click to expand... Good Lord. Imagine we find out there is a creator and we were mistakes. That would really suck.
unreal.freak Senior Audioholic Feb 20, 2008 708 0 0 52 Florida Sep 3, 2008 #664 rnatalli said: Imagine, a few tweaks and you go from discussing amp design to swinging from trees Click to expand... Thats some funny stuff right there...LOL Peace, Tommy
rnatalli said: Imagine, a few tweaks and you go from discussing amp design to swinging from trees Click to expand... Thats some funny stuff right there...LOL Peace, Tommy
Adam Audioholic Jedi Jul 5, 2006 32,066 0 113 Tucson, Arizona Sep 3, 2008 #665 rnatalli said: Imagine we find out there is a creator and we were mistakes. Click to expand... Might explain my luck with women, though.
rnatalli said: Imagine we find out there is a creator and we were mistakes. Click to expand... Might explain my luck with women, though.
zhimbo Audioholic General Mar 2, 2007 1,120 0 83 Ann Arbor, MI Sep 3, 2008 #666 unreal.freak said: i have a very hard time believing that scientists can date fossils and other finds back to "Millions of years ago" with radiocarbon dating. You can believe it is possible as for me I think that you have to be able to prove its millions of years old to start with, then you can test radiocarbon dating on it to prove radiocarbon dating is accurate. The reason i believe evolution to be theory is because Darwin himself said it was. Click to expand... Radiocarbon dating is only good for <50,000 years. Perhaps you mean "radiometric" dating, which is the general term for many different methods, incl. carbon dating. The interesting thing, is that all the methods agree with each other. Fascinating coincidence, isn't it, if they're all invalid? For general information on how radiometric dating actually works, try here. And, as I said before: of course it's a Theory. Just like the Atomic Theory of Matter and the Germ Theory of Disease. In Science "theory" = explanation, not "supposition". Something can be extremely well-confirmed (e.g., Atomic theory of matter), but it's STILL a "theory" in the scientific sense, because it's STILL a scientific explanation.
unreal.freak said: i have a very hard time believing that scientists can date fossils and other finds back to "Millions of years ago" with radiocarbon dating. You can believe it is possible as for me I think that you have to be able to prove its millions of years old to start with, then you can test radiocarbon dating on it to prove radiocarbon dating is accurate. The reason i believe evolution to be theory is because Darwin himself said it was. Click to expand... Radiocarbon dating is only good for <50,000 years. Perhaps you mean "radiometric" dating, which is the general term for many different methods, incl. carbon dating. The interesting thing, is that all the methods agree with each other. Fascinating coincidence, isn't it, if they're all invalid? For general information on how radiometric dating actually works, try here. And, as I said before: of course it's a Theory. Just like the Atomic Theory of Matter and the Germ Theory of Disease. In Science "theory" = explanation, not "supposition". Something can be extremely well-confirmed (e.g., Atomic theory of matter), but it's STILL a "theory" in the scientific sense, because it's STILL a scientific explanation.
bandphan Banned Dec 13, 2007 6,619 0 0 56 in a haze Sep 3, 2008 #667 and modern day... Reactions: majorloser
unreal.freak Senior Audioholic Feb 20, 2008 708 0 0 52 Florida Sep 3, 2008 #668 zhimbo said: The interesting thing, is that all the methods agree with each other. Fascinating coincidence, isn't it, if they're all invalid? Click to expand... How can you validate that the tests work on anything beyond 20 th century? it has only been around since then. I guess i feel the same way about radiocarbon dating as you do about Christianity. you just have faith that it works........you cant really prove it....you just have faith that it is so. Im done, thats my final post in this thread. i had reservations about even engaging in this discussion. I should have know there would those who have to uncivil in their posts. I still love you guys Christians or Not. Peace, Tommy
zhimbo said: The interesting thing, is that all the methods agree with each other. Fascinating coincidence, isn't it, if they're all invalid? Click to expand... How can you validate that the tests work on anything beyond 20 th century? it has only been around since then. I guess i feel the same way about radiocarbon dating as you do about Christianity. you just have faith that it works........you cant really prove it....you just have faith that it is so. Im done, thats my final post in this thread. i had reservations about even engaging in this discussion. I should have know there would those who have to uncivil in their posts. I still love you guys Christians or Not. Peace, Tommy
zhimbo Audioholic General Mar 2, 2007 1,120 0 83 Ann Arbor, MI Sep 3, 2008 #669 unreal.freak said: How can you validate that the tests work on anything beyond 20 th century? it has only been around since then. I guess i feel the same way about radiocarbon dating as you do about Christianity. you just have faith that it works........ Click to expand... For dating, I reject faith and rely only on evidence. You clearly didn't read the links. 1. Why do the methods agree with each other? If invalid, it's a remarkable coincidence that they all happen to match with each other. 2. Why does carbon dating agree with non-radiometric methods like ice core samples and tree-ring data? 3. For many of the methods to be wrong, our fundamental theories about nuclear decay have to be wrong...and they have been verified in many, many inpedendent ways.
unreal.freak said: How can you validate that the tests work on anything beyond 20 th century? it has only been around since then. I guess i feel the same way about radiocarbon dating as you do about Christianity. you just have faith that it works........ Click to expand... For dating, I reject faith and rely only on evidence. You clearly didn't read the links. 1. Why do the methods agree with each other? If invalid, it's a remarkable coincidence that they all happen to match with each other. 2. Why does carbon dating agree with non-radiometric methods like ice core samples and tree-ring data? 3. For many of the methods to be wrong, our fundamental theories about nuclear decay have to be wrong...and they have been verified in many, many inpedendent ways.
Adam Audioholic Jedi Jul 5, 2006 32,066 0 113 Tucson, Arizona Sep 3, 2008 #670 zhimbo said: For dating, I reject faith and rely only on evidence. Click to expand... Man, if I had a nickel for every time a woman told me that...
zhimbo said: For dating, I reject faith and rely only on evidence. Click to expand... Man, if I had a nickel for every time a woman told me that...
mtrycrafts Seriously, I have no life. Aug 19, 2004 23,546 0 113 Sep 3, 2008 #671 Adam said: Man, if I had a nickel for every time a woman told me that... Click to expand... What would happen. Tell us please
Adam said: Man, if I had a nickel for every time a woman told me that... Click to expand... What would happen. Tell us please
Davemcc Audioholic Spartan Jan 10, 2007 6,561 0 0 The Satellite of Love Sep 3, 2008 #672 unreal.freak said: I still love you guys Christians or Not. Peace, Tommy Click to expand... Not that there's anything wrong with that!!! Reactions: Alex2507, Rickster71, zhimbo and 2 others
unreal.freak said: I still love you guys Christians or Not. Peace, Tommy Click to expand... Not that there's anything wrong with that!!!
Adam Audioholic Jedi Jul 5, 2006 32,066 0 113 Tucson, Arizona Sep 3, 2008 #673 mtrycrafts said: What would happen. Tell us please Click to expand... I'd be broke. I don't talk to women. Haven't you been paying attention?
mtrycrafts said: What would happen. Tell us please Click to expand... I'd be broke. I don't talk to women. Haven't you been paying attention?
Adam Audioholic Jedi Jul 5, 2006 32,066 0 113 Tucson, Arizona Sep 3, 2008 #674 Davemcc said: Not that there's anything wrong with that!!! Click to expand... There it is! Rickster is offline, but Dave blasts in with an unexpected use of the phrase. Brilliant.
Davemcc said: Not that there's anything wrong with that!!! Click to expand... There it is! Rickster is offline, but Dave blasts in with an unexpected use of the phrase. Brilliant.
mtrycrafts Seriously, I have no life. Aug 19, 2004 23,546 0 113 Sep 3, 2008 #675 Alex2507 said: ...for a small fee. Click to expand... That's all I have, very small
mtrycrafts Seriously, I have no life. Aug 19, 2004 23,546 0 113 Sep 3, 2008 #676 Adam said: ... Now, there have been over 80 posts since then...some good, some of them not so polite. So let me just say: Sorry, Dave. Click to expand... You can have some polite but not all the time, this being one such subject, I guess, like it really matters what a few hate to say, in an audio chat room
Adam said: ... Now, there have been over 80 posts since then...some good, some of them not so polite. So let me just say: Sorry, Dave. Click to expand... You can have some polite but not all the time, this being one such subject, I guess, like it really matters what a few hate to say, in an audio chat room
majorloser Moderator Aug 7, 2005 7,071 0 113 Florida aka: Hurricane Central Sep 3, 2008 #677 Well, Then You Had Better Make the Most Of It mtrycrafts said: That's all I have, very small Click to expand... They say that size doesn't matter, though.
Well, Then You Had Better Make the Most Of It mtrycrafts said: That's all I have, very small Click to expand... They say that size doesn't matter, though.
J Joe Schmoe Audioholic Ninja Dec 19, 2006 3,051 0 0 Sep 4, 2008 #678 unreal.freak said: Can you be a little more specific on the highly enjoyable activities, cause what you may find highly enjoyable may not be the same for someone else. also i dont know any religion that says you can be perfect and without sin. My beliefs are that all have come short. I dont have any issue with the states not allowing the teaching of ID or creationism. On the same note, i dont think they should teach evolution either. they both are about the origins of mankind and nature. Click to expand... I do whatever I like, and yet I am entirely without sin. The reason is simple: I don't accept the concept of "sin", and therefore it does not apply to me. The reason that ID/creationism (the word "or" does not apply, since they are the same thing) should not be taught in public schools is that it is a purely religious idea, with no basis in science or fact. This makes teaching it a violation of the separation of church and state. By contrast, evolution should be taught because it is science.
unreal.freak said: Can you be a little more specific on the highly enjoyable activities, cause what you may find highly enjoyable may not be the same for someone else. also i dont know any religion that says you can be perfect and without sin. My beliefs are that all have come short. I dont have any issue with the states not allowing the teaching of ID or creationism. On the same note, i dont think they should teach evolution either. they both are about the origins of mankind and nature. Click to expand... I do whatever I like, and yet I am entirely without sin. The reason is simple: I don't accept the concept of "sin", and therefore it does not apply to me. The reason that ID/creationism (the word "or" does not apply, since they are the same thing) should not be taught in public schools is that it is a purely religious idea, with no basis in science or fact. This makes teaching it a violation of the separation of church and state. By contrast, evolution should be taught because it is science.
J Joe Schmoe Audioholic Ninja Dec 19, 2006 3,051 0 0 Sep 4, 2008 #679 unreal.freak said: Im really amused at the number of non religious people (homosexual or straight) who would use the term "Marriage". It is a term that most religions use for the joining of a man and a woman and is widely viewed to be a religious ceremony. Click to expand... The rest of us, however, view it as a legal contract. Of course, many gays are also religious and regard marriage as a joining of two people in love. Reactions: Alex2507
unreal.freak said: Im really amused at the number of non religious people (homosexual or straight) who would use the term "Marriage". It is a term that most religions use for the joining of a man and a woman and is widely viewed to be a religious ceremony. Click to expand... The rest of us, however, view it as a legal contract. Of course, many gays are also religious and regard marriage as a joining of two people in love.
Rickster71 Audioholic Spartan Jan 15, 2006 7,170 0 113 N.J. Sep 4, 2008 #680 Adam said: There it is! Rickster is offline, but Dave blasts in with an unexpected use of the phrase. Brilliant. Click to expand... I was in bed by 10pm, some of us need our sleep. Thank You Dave, for not letting that one get by. I've been told it could alter the Space Time Continuum...
Adam said: There it is! Rickster is offline, but Dave blasts in with an unexpected use of the phrase. Brilliant. Click to expand... I was in bed by 10pm, some of us need our sleep. Thank You Dave, for not letting that one get by. I've been told it could alter the Space Time Continuum...
