Damn you McCain!!!

[Rickster71]

Honestly I think it's hilarious and insulting at the same time that people use works like liberal (or conservative) as an insult. Those that do are just small minded and are to be pitied however.

Very true, and as equally interesting you've mentioned that.
Listen to the news on any given day, Republicans are almost labeled Conservative, and Democrats are never, or rarely called Liberal. Give it an honest test one day.
The media in this country gives out as much propaganda today, as Russia did back in the Fifties and Sixties.

 

[race4aliving]

just because her daughter will be a teenage mother does not mean their values are bad. her support, understanding and unconditional love of her child who put her in a bind and left her open to what I'd refer to as petty ridicule shows her true family values.

 

[Rickster71]

Good points to memorize so we have talking points with those that do not understand the differences between the candidates.



2008 PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE COMPARISON TALKING POINTS

ISSUE
JOHN McCAIN
BARAK OBAMA

Favors new drilling offshore US
Yes McCAIN
No OBAMA

Will appoint judges who interpret the law not make it
Yes McCAIN
No OBAMA


Served in the US Armed Forces
Yes McCAIN
No OBAMA

Amount of time served in the US Senate
22 YEARS McCAIN
3 Years 9 Months OBAMA

Will institute a socialized national health care plan
No McCAIN
Yes OBAMA


Would pull troops out of Iraq.
No McCAIN
Yes OBAMA

Supports gun ownership rights
Yes McCAIN
No OBAMA


Voted against making English the official language
No McCAIN
Yes OBAMA

Voted to give Social Security benefits to illegals
No McCAIN
Yes OBAMA

CAPITAL GAINS TAX

MCCAIN
0% on home sales up to $500,000 per home (couples). McCain does not propose any change in existing home sales income tax.

OBAMA
28% on profit from ALL home sales. (How does this affect you? If you sell your home and make a profit, you will pay 28% of your gain on taxes. If you are heading toward retirement and would like to down-size your home or move into a retirement community, 28% of the money you make from your home will go to taxes. This proposal will adversely affect the elderly who are counting on the income from their homes as part of their retirement income.)

DIVIDEND TAX

MCCAIN
15% (no change)

OBAMA
39.6% - (How will this affect you? If you have any money invested in stock market, IRA, mutual funds, college funds, life insurance, retirement accounts, or anything that pays or reinvests dividends, you will now be paying nearly 40% of the money earned on taxes if Obama becomes president. The experts predict that 'Higher tax rates on dividends and capital gains would crash the stock market, yet do absolutely nothing to cut the deficit.')

INCOME TAX

MCCAIN

(no changes)
Single making 30K - tax $4,500
Single making 50K - tax $12,500
Single making 75K - tax $18,750
Married making 60K- tax $9,000
Married making 75K - tax $18,750
Married making 125K - tax $31,250

OBAMA (reversion to pre-Bush tax cuts)
Single making 30K - tax $8,400
Single making 50K - tax $14,000
Single making 75K - tax $23,250
Married making 60K - tax $16,800
Married making 75K - tax $21,000
Married making 125K - tax $38,750
Under Obama, your taxes could almost double!

INHERITANCE TAX

MCCAIN
- 0% (No change, Bush repealed this tax)

OBAMA
Restore the inheritance tax

Many families have lost businesses, farms, ranches, and homes that have been in their families for generations because they could not afford the inheritance tax. Those willing their assets to loved ones will only lose them to these taxes.

NEW TAXES PROPOSED BY OBAMA

New government taxes proposed on homes that are more than 2400 square feet. New gasoline taxes (as if gas weren't high enough already) New taxes on natural resources consumption (heating gas, water, electricity) New taxes on retirement accounts, and last but not least....New taxes to pay for socialized medicine so we can receive the same level of medical care as other third-world countries!!!








You can verify the above at the following web sites:


http://money.cnn.com/news/specials/election/2008/index.html

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/issues/issues.taxes.html

http://elections.foxnews.com/?s=proposed+taxes

http://bulletin.aarp.org/yourworld/politics/articles/mccain_obama_offer_different_visions_on_taxes.html

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/candidates/barack_obama/

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/candidates/john_mccain/

 

[E-A-G-L-E-S]

Sigh, my time has come to leave this thread....that last post....and to presented like it was not biased....

I believe we should be supporters of american citizens, not left -or- right.

I'd rather remain friendly with everyone and stick to a/v so I'll leave.
Have a good day everyone.

 

[jonnythan]

Your list is quite.. outdated:

Amount of time served in the US Senate
22 YEARS McCAIN
173 DAYS OBAMA

Obama has been in the US Senate since January, 2005. I'm pretty sure that was more than 6 months ago.

Some of the other stuff on that list is just.. dumb. Compare the cost of our occupation of Iraq with the cost of some of the programs Obama would like to implement.

Keep in mind that I'm not an Obama supporter, and I'm not voting for Obama.

 

[zhimbo]

Several of these are clearly and demonstrably wrong (e.g. time served in Senate; pull troops "immediately"); others are worded in terms of opinion, not verifiable fact (e.g. judges), or are too simplified to be helpful (e.g. The "socialized health care plan" is no more "socialized" than Medicare and would not be mandatory).

Not a helpful summary, and much of what you have listed is not covered in your links.

 

[Rickster71]

My bad. I did update it though.
I got it in an email, and didn't check every line.
I posted it not to provoke a 'T i t for T a t' baby game; but to show where the candidates stand.

 

[jonnythan]

However you intended it, it's a biased, partisan collection of half-truths, lies, and potshots.

 

[rnatalli]

I love how lists can omit so much to favor one person. BTW, Obama served in the IL senate since 1996 I believe.

Let's see if I can throw a few things on the list:

Supported the Iraq War:
McCain - Yes
Obama - No

Voted against "generous" benefits for veterans:
McCain - Yes
Obama - No

Supports tax cuts for the wealthiest:
McCain - Yes
Obama - No

Supports releasing oil from strategic reserve to ease gas prices:
McCain - No
Obama - Yes

Supports free trade which ships jobs overseas:
McCain - Yes
Obama - No

Supports removing social security in favor of private accounts:
McCain - Yes
Obama - No

See how easy it is to spin things?

 

[Rickster71]

So, are you saying there are no facts in that list?

The list is what it is. It is not an all encompassing list.
I did leave out that McCain once kicked a cat.

Am I the only one that thinks a death tax is wrong?
I live in NJ the highest taxed state in the country.
I just can't handle more taxes.
As of now, my monthly taxes are higher than my monthly mortgage payment.

At this point I can only refer back to my earlier post #183.

 

[emorphien]

Pretty funny I misspelled words as works and it was then quoted by a couple people. Oops.

Very true, and as equally interesting you've mentioned that.
Listen to the news on any given day, Republicans are almost labeled Conservative, and Democrats are never, or rarely called Liberal. Give it an honest test one day.
The media in this country gives out as much propaganda today, as Russia did back in the Fifties and Sixties.

What is interesting there is that it seems liberal is used more as an "insult" than conservative is. I think media may just be avoiding the word entirely if what you say is true because people seem to feel it's negative.

My own ideals are in the middle, and so it's interesting to see these hot button issues. I think it's quite pathetic that politics becomes a bunch of hot button black or white issues instead of intelligent discourse and compromise. My own stance on certain issues agrees with Obama at times and McCain others, (and some times with neither or I don't think a Yes or No appropriately addresses the problem).

 

[zhimbo]

Am I the only one that thinks a death tax is wrong?.

I'm a firm believer in an estate tax for large estates. I prefer to call it "the Paris Hilton Tax" though. "Death tax" is just too much spin for me

 

[Rickster71]

I love how lists can omit so much to favor one person. BTW, Obama served in the IL senate since 1996 I believe.

Let's see if I can throw a few things on the list:

Supported the Iraq War:
McCain - Yes
Obama - No

Voted against "generous" benefits for veterans:
McCain - Yes
Obama - No

Supports tax cuts for the wealthiest:
McCain - Yes
Obama - No

Supports releasing oil from strategic reserve to ease gas prices:
McCain - No
Obama - Yes

Supports free trade which ships jobs overseas:
McCain - Yes
Obama - No

Supports removing social security in favor of private accounts:
McCain - Yes
Obama - No

See how easy it is to spin things?

You've mentioned private SS accounts, like that's a bad thing?
The Social Security system's rate of return for most Americans will be vastly inferior to what they could expect from placing their payroll taxes in even the most conservative private investments. Even a safe bank CD, or savings account.
Most politicians use scare tactics when talking about the tax payer investing our own Social Security money.
Why, you say? Because they borrow from it, and use it for partisan projects. All while pointing the finger at the 'other guy'

 

[Rickster71]

My own ideals are in the middle, and so it's interesting to see these hot button issues. I think it's quite pathetic that politics becomes a bunch of hot button black or white issues instead of intelligent discourse and compromise. My own stance on certain issues agrees with Obama at times and McCain others, (and some times with neither or I don't think a Yes or No appropriately addresses the problem).

I certainly agree with you there. I'm mostly a Libertarian, so I may be staying home election day.

 

[Adam]

...McCain once kicked a cat.

That punk bastard. Now I'm going to have to find another candidate...

 

[Rickster71]

I'm a firm believer in an estate tax for large estates. I prefer to call it "the Paris Hilton Tax" though. "Death tax" is just too much spin for me

That's just it; all people inheriting something are not Paris Hilton.

I worked with my dad refurbing houses, starting while I was in Grammar school, after working my way through college and up to the present day.
All while working my own full time job.

My dad would either sell them or rent them out.
He did all that while working rotating shifts at DuPont, and was a volunteer firefighter in town.
He was always a hard worker, and I worked along with him.

When the time comes for my brother and myself to inherit anything, we won't be able to afford the Death Tax.

This death tax is on property that has been paying property taxes for many years. It will then be taxed again, with the Death Tax. Why do you think the State, or the Feds deserve to double and triple tax the fruits of the hard working middle class?
We are not all Paris Hiltons. Some are honest hard workers, and shouldn't be lumped together.
Many families have lost businesses, farms, ranches, and homes that have been in their families for generations because they could not afford the inheritance tax. Those willing their assets to loved ones will only lose them to these taxes. It's simply a property grab by the goverment.

 

[rnatalli]

Your post showed bias towards McCain and mine showed bias towards Obama. I was simply pointing out that information can be manipulated in any way to serve someone's needs. There were some things in your post I agreed with and some in my post I disagreed with.

As for the Social Security business, it should be overhauled, but moving to a private system probably won't work. The forecast for social security is enormous, there's no way to simply do away with it. As a part of the younger generation, I'd have to pay Social Security tax to keep the older generation (who don't have private accounts) going. At the same time, I'd have to contribute to my own private accounts. So I'm basically paying for the good of the society. How is this different than universal healthcare of other semi-socialist programs republicans oppose furiously? The government has already robbed the past generations' social security, why give them a way to rob the new generation as well?

Oh yeah, I think inheritance tax is one of the dumbest things I've ever seen. Someone earns a fortune honestly and paid taxes all the way through and then some poor slob has to pay it again? Even worst, when it isn't a vast fortune. Makes no sense to me. The luxury tax also makes no sense to me.

 

[Joe Schmoe]

What makes the lists even more pointless is the assumption that the candidates will actually stick to what they say after being elected. This is rarely the case. (Anyone remember "Read my lips: No new taxes!"? LOL.)

 

[Rickster71]

True, the list is just their platforms so far, more or less.
They do have to run on somthing; what they really do is anybodies guess.

 

[zhimbo]

That's just it; all people inheriting something are not Paris Hilton.

Right. That was a joke. It's a spin term. Just like "death tax". It isn't a tax on "death", it's a tax on estates.

That said, the estate tax affects only estates over $2 million per person, not counting all sorts of credits and loopholes, and doesn't affect family-owned farms at all, and very few small businesses. If you're inheriting in excess of $2million, trust me, you can find a way to afford the estate tax. The first $2million (at least) is ALL YOURS.

This is NOT a tax on the "Average Joe".