Seth=L

Seth=L

Audioholic Overlord
The magazines can back up an exotic cars performance with real numbers. The same can't be said for a majority of the hi-fi audio world.

AdrianMills post just reminded me of the Randi speaker cable challenge....too bad there isn't something like that involving car exhausts. I think I could pick the Ferrari everytime.;)
I agree with you to a point. Cars are measured, there are Aston Martin cars that dish out the performance of Ferrari at a fraction of the cost. Just like audio, it's overpriced for the performance. However, when buying a Ferrari, you can argue that you are buying because it's a performance vehicle and it has the look (name) you are going for. Audio is the same way, high end audio typically performs well, but it costs a lot more for the prestige (the looks, the name). Cables however, are completely bogus.;)
 
haraldo

haraldo

Audioholic Warlord
Hey there guys

I wanted to wait a couple of days to see if the audiophyte Mr. Fremer came to his senses....

Anybody think that I am annouyed by this post.... I won't answer that, but merely say that people must have some sort of credibility in order to annoy me :D

There are many great people out there in this forum and many of you have great jobs where you face your customers every day. I face my customers all the time, every day. Does anybody out there treat the customers the way Fremer does? Does Fremer actually know who's his customers and who actually provide his paycheck?

I cannot remember any single company in history where management faced the customer the way Fremer does, without going bankrupt. This is not my opinion but the tale of history... Stereophile as a magazine will come to and end with such attitudes as shown by mr senior contributing editor.

The best people in the business answer to criticism by looking at themselves and critically thinking... How can I and how can we improve. Criticism is a means of help, help to get better.

Obviously, Mr Fremer has lost touch with his audience, and that's certainly not my problem, people stop subscribing to Stereohile as a result of this :p:p

Now I just want to have a look at what I wrote and how Mikey never responded to these issues:
He says I sound like a bitter guy, anyone else agree with him :))

I wrote: I can't remember the last time Sam Tellig did not write about Musical Fidelity or Triangle speakers in Sam's corner.
MF's response: Never answered that

I wrote: I can't remember the last time there was an issue without Michael Fremer writing about ridiculously priced turntable product
MF's response: He mentioned that he reviewed some affordable products, but he still swarms around expensive stuff. It's just getting out of hand. He never actually answered to this.
But I'm happy to realize that he's suddenly a medical doctor, now I know about the Alzheimer, thanks :))

I wrote: Stereophile seem to loose touch with the regular gals and guys out there, or is it me that's out of touch.
MF'S Responce: Nothing about this, just that we are all idiots, and we are bums and wankers, I'm stunned by the analytical skills of Mr Fremer

I wrote: And now they're reviewing Hansen Audio Prince.....
MF'S responce: Nothing

And then MF calls me a butt and jealous wanker. Please Mr Fremer, what's your background for such a statement?
Why do you call a customer that's actually contributing to your paycheck using such words?

Everytime somebody brings this up we end up with the car analogy, it's about the 200th time and it's got nothing to do with the issue at hand. It doesn't change the fact that many of the products they review are ridiculously overpriced.

You may read about this over and over again in readers letters in Stereophile. I certainly don't disregards expensive products, but there must be a given price/performance ratio.

When Mr Hansen of Hanssen Aduio spends many hundred thousand dollars to develop some other different cone material, who says it's better than what Seas, Peerless, Scan Speak, Eton and Vifa can provide. Just about every major high-end manufacturer uses one or more drivers from these companies, and they will happily provide any kind of custom driver. Why spend many hundred thousand dollars to create something that's not better, merely different, perhaps that makes the Hansen different, but better? I'd probably say you can get the same performance for 1/3 the price. Like Thiel CS 3.7.

There is some sort of disorder that I know about that comes to my mind right now....
1. Glibness/superficial charm.
2. Grandiose sense of self-worth.
3. Need for stimulation/proneness to boredom
4. Pathological lying
5. Conning/manipulative
6. Lack of remorse or guilt
7. Shallow affect
8. Callous/lack of empathy
9. Parasitic lifestyle
10. Poor behavioral controls
11. Failure to accept responsibility for own actions
12. Revocation of conditional release

I will not say anything more about this, just that these guys normally are taken care of by people in white jackets :eek::eek::eek:

Your sincerely

Harald :)
 
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Halon451

Halon451

Audioholic Samurai
Stereophile has officially been added to my list of favorite companies (along with Bose and Monster)...



FOR ME TO POOP ON!!

 
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haraldo

haraldo

Audioholic Warlord
Stereophile has officially been added to my list of favorite companies (along with Bose and Monster)...



FOR ME TO POOP ON!!

You should probably add Sony too......
 
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caupina

Full Audioholic
Stereophile has officially been added to my list of favorite companies (along with Bose and Monster)...



FOR ME TO POOP ON!!

What's so useful about this post that Halon gets 3 thanks????? :rolleyes: Sometimes I get the feeling that the "thanks" represents nothing more than just taking sides with people when it comes to bashing a product/ post/ person (just like elementary school) instead of sharing some knowledge among the members.
 
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haraldo

haraldo

Audioholic Warlord
What's so useful about this post that Halon gets 3 thanks????? :rolleyes: Sometimes I get the feeling that the "thanks" represents nothing more than just taking sides with people when it comes to bashing a product/ post/ person (just like elementary school) instead of sharing some knowledge among the members.
Halon gets 3 thanks because he has consistently proven to be a valuable contributor to these forums and he gets thanks by people who know him and appreciate his sense of humor as well as his values in life.

Sometimes we are very serious, sometimes not, I think most members here do have a great sense of humor. And It's been a long time since I have communicated with so many smart people. Halon is one of them.

Halon is a valuable member of these forums, that's why :D
 
Halon451

Halon451

Audioholic Samurai
What's so useful about this post that Halon gets 3 thanks????? :rolleyes: Sometimes I get the feeling that the "thanks" represents nothing more than just taking sides with people when it comes to bashing a product/ post/ person (just like elementary school) instead of sharing some knowledge among the members.
Lighten up Francis... it was funny, meant to make people laugh, and apparently it did.

Hey guys, please remove your thanks from my above post, we're not trying to upset anyone here. :rolleyes:
 
Halon451

Halon451

Audioholic Samurai
Halon gets 3 thanks because he has consistently proven to be a valuable contributor to these forums and he gets thanks by people who know him and appreciate his sense of humor as well as his values in life.

Sometimes we are very serious, sometimes not, I think most members here do have a great sense of humor. And It's been a long time since I have communicated with so many smart people. Halon is one of them.

Halon is a valuable member of these forums, that's why :D
Awwwwwww.... you made me blush. :p
 
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caupina

Full Audioholic
Lighten up Francis... it was funny, meant to make people laugh, and apparently it did.

Hey guys, please remove your thanks from my above post, we're not trying to upset anyone here. :rolleyes:
Ok....that's good enough...i just thought the intention of the "thanks" was other, but my bad:eek:.
 
Halon451

Halon451

Audioholic Samurai
Blo...... he.... Halon, I'm trying to find a lady right now :eek::eek:
Hey, you should check with Joe Schmoe these days - apparently he's quite the ladies man. He might be able to give you a few pointers. :)
 
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caupina

Full Audioholic
Halon gets 3 thanks because he has consistently proven to be a valuable contributor to these forums and he gets thanks by people who know him and appreciate his sense of humor as well as his values in life.

Sometimes we are very serious, sometimes not, I think most members here do have a great sense of humor. And It's been a long time since I have communicated with so many smart people. Halon is one of them.

Halon is a valuable member of these forums, that's why :D
My point was about the "useful post" and how the thanks are given out, not Halon.:rolleyes:
 
haraldo

haraldo

Audioholic Warlord
Hey, you should check with Joe Schmoe these days - apparently he's quite the ladies man. He might be able to give you a few pointers. :)
Do I have pointers, yes.... Guess we should stop this discussion now, we've been there and that thread got closed!
 
Matt34

Matt34

Moderator
I agree with you to a point. Cars are measured, there are Aston Martin cars that dish out the performance of Ferrari at a fraction of the cost. Just like audio, it's overpriced for the performance. However, when buying a Ferrari, you can argue that you are buying because it's a performance vehicle and it has the look (name) you are going for. Audio is the same way, high end audio typically performs well, but it costs a lot more for the prestige (the looks, the name). Cables however, are completely bogus.;)

Your absouletly right, I didn't expound on what I was going after very well. My main focus was on certain hi-fi magazines objective "reviews" of snake oil products with no meaningful measurements whatsoever.

Take this quote used to describe some $40,000 worth of cables for example:

"Taken together, these unusual interconnect, loudspeaker, and AC cables brought a new measure of spaciousness, scale, smoothness, heretofore unimagined detail, and overall musical ease and naturalness to my music system. And they did it while sounding neither dull nor bright—just right."

The review goes on to explain the differences he remembers from other cables in the past. In the end, the only measurements used where of the actual weight and length of the cables.

It would be like if the auto mags were to write a two-page review of the new Nissan GT-R when it was first released and not measure the 1/4 time, HP/TQ, 70-0 brake test, etc. What true car guy is going to fork over the $70,000+ for a high performance car without knowing the facts? Because mister editor said it was fast, handled great and got you the women? Not this hombre.
 
majorloser

majorloser

Moderator
Well atleast Fremer has enough class not to call anyone names, I could go on but its pointless.............Kool-Aid anyone?
Get your facts right.
Jim Jones and the Peoples Temple used Flavor Aid.



Kool Aid always gets the bad rap :mad:
 
stratman

stratman

Audioholic Ninja
Get your facts right.
Jim Jones and the Peoples Temple used Flavor Aid.



Kool Aid always gets the bad rap :mad:
This guy always gave me the creeps, doesn't he look like Jethro? I wonder what he did to Ellie Mae, Granny and Uncle Jed?:eek:
 

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