haraldo

haraldo

Audioholic Warlord
Anyone else fed up with Stereophile, I am !


I have been subscribing to Stereophile for a number of years and for a long time I found it to be interesting. However, lately I really start to wonder... And for each issue that drops into the mailbox... I wonder even more...

I can't remember the last time Sam Tellig did not write about Musical Fidelity or Triangle speakers in Sam's corner. I can't remember the last time there was an issue without Michael Fremer writing about ridiculously priced turntable product... Does this man have a problem with his ego? or another part :rolleyes:

It may be fine to read about esoteric products every now and then, but now Stereophile seem to loose touch with the regular gals and guys out there, or is it me that's out of touch.

It's been months now since I read a very interesting article in Stereophile, guess the last one was the review of Vandersteen quattro wood speakers......

And now they're reviewing Hansen Audio Prince, looks like quite ordinary 3 way speakers to me, with a $40.000 pricetag and what looks like ordinary Scan Speak drivers (Although they claim to be custom, and custom doesn't mean better!) The measured SPL response looks like Grand Canyon, and there's basically no critical remarks to these speakers.

Give me a break, what's wrong with those guys.... $40.000 speakers should cleanly blow everything away with a wide wide margin.....

Perhaps I'll renew my subscription just to have a monthly laugh

Cheers

Harald
 
stratman

stratman

Audioholic Ninja
Stereophile and Monster those two should get married.
 
haraldo

haraldo

Audioholic Warlord
The new magazine: The Great Stereophile Monster
 
Halon451

Halon451

Audioholic Samurai
You've got everything you need to get your A/V fix right here - and it's free. :D

Other mags are a little less pretentious too, if you do enjoy getting hard copy articles in the mail. It's not always convenient or possible to sit in front of the computer obviously.
 
haraldo

haraldo

Audioholic Warlord
Yeah Audioholics magazine and these forums provides heaps more value than any magazine I've come through....

And the humor here is better too :p:p:p:p:p
 
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markw

Audioholic Overlord
dunno about where you are but here in the good ole US of A they send out specials for subscriptions for about $13/year and even then they have problems getting people to go for it.

I get my fix of stereopile when Mrs W. and I go to Barnes & Noble, get a cuppa joe, and read all the latest magazines. Now, I 'd say that Stereopile is about worth it in that case.

Actually, the last time I went fore that I sent 'em a check for the amount. Thgeu hounded me for almost a year for payment, even after I said I paid it and sent them a copy of the cancelled check. The only reason they backed off is that I was able to hook up with John Marks and John Atkinson and they did wome inside calling. Although I don't always agree with what they say they are great guys but they work for a shitty periodical
 
MUDSHARK

MUDSHARK

Audioholic Chief
Stereophile is just trying to target the passions of their subscribers. Many letters have been published pointing out dissatisfactions similar to yours. The publisher has responded that is where the passions of their readership falls (tables, tonearms, etc...). Stereophile has a very different market than AH.
 
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markw

Audioholic Overlord
Stereophile is just trying to target the passions of their subscribers. Many letters have been published pointing out dissatisfactions similar to yours. The publisher has responded that is where the passions of their readership falls (tables, tonearms, etc...). Stereophile has a very different market than AH.
So does Penthouse but the letters they print beat the heck outta the ones stereopile gets, ... or at least prints. ;)
 
Seth=L

Seth=L

Audioholic Overlord
Where's Robert Harley when you need a good laugh.:D
 
MUDSHARK

MUDSHARK

Audioholic Chief
I thought Harley published The Absolute Sound:confused: I could be wrong.
 
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analogcorner

Audiophyte
learn how to read

Haraldo, you sound like a very bitter guy.

If you can't remember the last time I reviewed an inexpensive turntable, or a budget priced phono preamplifier or an inexpensive cartridge you must have Alzheimers.

I have no problems with my ego. It's quite healthy and therefore my stereo system, my car, my watch (etc.) are not involved in my self worth. As for my "other part," it's been put to extremely good use over the years. Your suggestion that somehow I compensate for feelings of penile inadequacy with audio gear is an act of transparent projection I find extremely amusing.

If you enjoyed the recent Vandersteen review, consider that I reviewed the original Quattro, which is less expensive. But you're not likely to because you have some kind of axe to grind, so grind away oblivious to reality.

Stereophile reviews products in all price categories. I review products in all price categories. I reviewed a $400+ USB based Pro-Ject turntable in the last issue. I just finished up a review of an inexpensive Rega P3-24 turntable. It's cheap and good--for the money. So whatever you're talking about is exiting from you butt.

I read the car magazines and when they cover Ferraris, and Porsches and Maseratis, people tend to enjoy the reviews. It's only in audio that we end up with so many jealous wankers and where so many try to level the playing field by claiming "it all sounds the same," and that when you spend more you get less.

Grow up, audio is no different than food, wine, cars, clothes, you name it. Unfortunately, usually, the more you pay, the better the quality. That's a fact of life. I can't afford a Ferrari or a Maserati but I'm not a bitter dweeb who needs to rationalize that I can't afford one by claiming it's no better than the car that I can afford.

If you think high performance audio is a "rip-off," or don't understand what goes into building and marketing limited edition, high performance audio gear, then by all means stop reading Stereophile, get some plastic speakers, some lamp cord, an MP3 player and have a blast! Stereophile is a magazine about high performance (not necessarily high priced) audio.

-Michael Fremer
senior contributing editor, Stereophile

PS: If I've offended anyone, it's been my pleasure. CHEERS!



Anyone else fed up with Stereophile, I am !


I have been subscribing to Stereophile for a number of years and for a long time I found it to be interesting. However, lately I really start to wonder... And for each issue that drops into the mailbox... I wonder even more...

I can't remember the last time Sam Tellig did not write about Musical Fidelity or Triangle speakers in Sam's corner. I can't remember the last time there was an issue without Michael Fremer writing about ridiculously priced turntable product... Does this man have a problem with his ego? or another part :rolleyes:

It may be fine to read about esoteric products every now and then, but now Stereophile seem to loose touch with the regular gals and guys out there, or is it me that's out of touch.

It's been months now since I read a very interesting article in Stereophile, guess the last one was the review of Vandersteen quattro wood speakers......

And now they're reviewing Hansen Audio Prince, looks like quite ordinary 3 way speakers to me, with a $40.000 pricetag and what looks like ordinary Scan Speak drivers (Although they claim to be custom, and custom doesn't mean better!) The measured SPL response looks like Grand Canyon, and there's basically no critical remarks to these speakers.

Give me a break, what's wrong with those guys.... $40.000 speakers should cleanly blow everything away with a wide wide margin.....

Perhaps I'll renew my subscription just to have a monthly laugh

Cheers

Harald
 
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AdrianMills

Full Audioholic
Ah, the cable dude with the infamous attitude.

I'm a little out of touch, whatever happened with the Randi challenge?

:D

As for the subject at hand, I generally find that the contents of Stereophile to be about as useful as a house brick made of putty.

Having said that, Kal's contributions to various online forums are generally very good and useful. I just wish he'd own up to his objectivist leanings and stop pandering to subjectivist plonkers; oh well, I guess it pays well.

Oh, and up yours too. ;)

Haraldo, you sound like a very bitter guy.

If you can't remember the last time I reviewed an inexpensive turntable, or a budget priced phono preamplifier or an inexpensive cartridge you must have Alzheimers.

I have no problems with my ego. It's quite healthy and therefore my stereo system, my car, my watch (etc.) are not involved in my self worth. As for my "other part," it's been put to extremely good use over the years. Your suggestion that somehow I compensate for feelings of penile inadequacy with audio gear is an act of transparent projection I find extremely amusing.

If you enjoyed the recent Vandersteen review, consider that I reviewed the original Quattro, which is less expensive. But you're not likely to because you have some kind of axe to grind, so grind away oblivious to reality.

Stereophile reviews products in all price categories. I review products in all price categories. I reviewed a $400+ USB based Pro-Ject turntable in the last issue. I just finished up a review of an inexpensive Rega P3-24 turntable. It's cheap and good--for the money. So whatever you're talking about is exiting from you butt.

I read the car magazines and when they cover Ferraris, and Porsches and Maseratis, people tend to enjoy the reviews. It's only in audio that we end up with so many jealous wankers and where so many try to level the playing field by claiming "it all sounds the same," and that when you spend more you get less.

Grow up, audio is no different than food, wine, cars, clothes, you name it. Unfortunately, usually, the more you pay, the better the quality. That's a fact of life. I can't afford a Ferrari or a Maserati but I'm not a bitter dweeb who needs to rationalize that I can't afford one by claiming it's no better than the car that I can afford.

If you think high performance audio is a "rip-off," or don't understand what goes into building and marketing limited edition, high performance audio gear, then by all means stop reading Stereophile, get some plastic speakers, some lamp cord, an MP3 player and have a blast! Stereophile is a magazine about high performance (not necessarily high priced) audio.

-Michael Fremer
senior contributing editor, Stereophile

PS: If I've offended anyone, it's been my pleasure. CHEERS!
 
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mudrummer99

Senior Audioholic
Well Mr. Fremer welcome to Audioholics :D I for one am a subscriber of Stereophile and do enjoy reading about all the stuff I can't afford (whether by financial constraints or wife enforcement).
I do like your point about cars, I get very tired of people complaining about the prices of equipment reviewed in many of the magazines out there (Stereophile, The Absolute Sound, etc...) since it is always nice to read about the new designs and innovations going into high-end, flagship type units. Why since I personally will probably never own them except for the off chance that a dump truck backs up to my house and unloads some money someone didn't want anymore? Trickle down. That's it, trickle down. Most companies, no matter what their field of expertise, like to find a way to integrate their best technologies into lower end products after a few years and the R&D has been recouped. It's always exciting to me to see what kind of tech I will one day be able to afford, even if my system never edges over $5k.
I am also pleased that you do review quite a bit of equipment that is in my price range. While I do get what some of your readers write in and complain about (mainly the ones that say you never review affordable EQ) whereas I would like to see a larger percentage of your reviews to reflect a more realistic view of what is available on the market (i.e. there are fewer $30k/pr. speakers than $500/pr. so I would like to see say 5 $500/pr. for every 1 $30k/pr reviews) I understand that you guys get just as excited for the new tech as I would in your situation. I also understand you don't always have full control of what you review as well.
I'm glad you and many of your colleagues have a tougher skin about this since there will always people that want to read about the $30k/pr. speakers and $60k TTs. While I may not aggree with needing $2k interconnects for your system, I don't tear into those that do, to each their own. It's their money, let them spend it their way. But as far as Stereophile goes, I will gladly renew for years to come. Keep up the good work on letting us see what is coming down the pipe, I for one am glad you keep us informed.

Mike
 
haraldo

haraldo

Audioholic Warlord
Haraldo, you sound like a very bitter guy.
Certainly not, I'm actually happier than ever :D
Can't tell you why :cool::cool:

And I thank you for taking the time for this post, I am actually glad to get a response directly from a senior contributing editor !

But you really didn't address my main concern, I think the balance on which products you review is not there.
I can hardly open you magazine without MF or Triangle all over it
Or perhaps it's my Alzheimer's that come to play?:rolleyes:
Thanks for that quick diagnosis !

If you look into the readers letters there seem to be an increasing amount of people with similar opinions on the lack of balance....

What you do and the choices is of course up to you, but to what extent do you actually address the readers opinions of Stereophile? Are you in touch with the majority of the readers or are you getting out of touch?

I am not saying or implying anything, just asking.

Well, I guess I do have an attitude. I always speak from my heart and state my opinions. I that offends someone? fine, that's not my problem :cool:

And sometimes I come on perhaps too strong, I know :eek::eek:
Certainly not intentional to offend you, sorry!

And thinking about it, My post made Mr Fremer join the Audioholics society, welcome :)
 
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AdrianMills

Full Audioholic
I'm not sure if you guys get it, this "senior contributing editor" that is obviously representing his rag came in here to address valid criticisms and all he did was piss all over you. Seriously, are you a little star struck or something? The guy is a complete arse and it's not the first time he's shown that attitude online either.
 
haraldo

haraldo

Audioholic Warlord
I'm not sure if you guys get it, this "senior contributing editor" that is obviously representing his rag came in here to address valid criticisms and all he did was piss all over you. Seriously, are you a little star struck or something? The guy is a complete arse and it's not the first time he's shown that attitude online either.
You know what, that's actually very fine.....

I'm a professional and has been for a long time. If I showed anything close to the attitude of the Stereophile editors I would be out of a job in one week.

Now I'm actually trying to show some courtesy, and see what comes back.

If Mr Fremer's only response to criticism will be arrogance and attacking his customers.....

Well it will not be me losing my job, but if Stereophile loses their reviewers, somebody will be without job :p

And Mr Fremer, you actually didn't answer any of my concerns
I didn't object to reviewing expensive equipment !!!!!

The thing is, when was the last time you didn't review or look into a player that was less than $40.000..... Sorry I forgot, I've got Alzheimer, somebody please help me?

If we keep our attitudes and all we get back is arrogance, who's an #¤¤%&&&"¤#¤

b.t.w. I never knew that Michael Fremer is an Audiophyte :eek: It's true because that's what his profile states.
 
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dragan

Enthusiast
I agree!

I do not buy any print any more and I haven't in a long time. Have no intention to either, in the future. I never trusted any of them for anything other then to get some news, to see what's happening out there. For new (rare) purchases, I always relied on what I hear personally and how that makes me feel.

Dragan
 
Seth=L

Seth=L

Audioholic Overlord
I think Michael Fremer is funny, like a troll.:D There is only one person you could add to this thread that would make my day complete, and that's Robert Harley.:D

Oh, and Michael, I would be happy to set up some Double Blind tests for receivers/amplifiers as well as cables for you. Drop me a line if you are interested.;):D
 
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markw

Audioholic Overlord
Gotta love Barnes & Noble.

Well, after that fine response from one of their writers I feel more justified than ever for reading their periodical without paying for it.

Well, not exactly free. We will but some coffee and snacks there to enjoy while reading stereopile without paying for it. :p

Remember people, why buy stereopile when you can read it for free.
 

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