Definitive Technology Speakers - ARE THEY THAT GOOD?

[Sheep]

As I am sure all of you know, frequency response specs show the ability of the speaker, but it does not reveal the sound quality.

Quarts FR is not published as +/-3dB, along with many other brands.

One could add a waveguide system to the Quarts in question and get a drastic increase in FR. Or, they could just play with the placement of the drivers. Lets fire them backwards. I think Klipsch used to have a speaker with the woofers firing backwards

The best way to get a realistic experience with speakers is to use an omnipolar design. I dislike definitive because they lie, not because they're omnipolar.

Chukker,

Have we met?

SheepStar

 

[Davemcc]

Wow. zumbo, you are truly full of sh!t. Yep, I said so. Take it or leave it. My system sounds awesome. Post elsewhere @sshole if you don't have anything worthwhile to add. No offense to any NON-owners.

Ya know, you could say anything you want about anything I own and I wouldn't care at all. But your post above is deliberately insulting and combative, as well as violates board rules.

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

Now I know what a twice baked potato is.

I have never heard that term.

No, seriously. What is a "twice baked" patato?

Like a burned patato?

So what kind of personality is a "twice baked patato? Seriously, though.

Zumbo, you know you should NOT be starting things like this!!!

All these speakers sound very good.

The marketing and advertisement of some of these companies, including Definitive and MB Quart, may stink because neither company publish what we audiophiles want to see -- detail graphs of on & off-axis F.R. or at least F.R. w/tolerance. But they are good speakers.

Unlike Bose, Definitive has actually gotten A LOT of OUTSTANDING reviews and great amount of praise from very respectible sources like Home Theater Magazine and Sound & Vision (& former Stereo Review). I don't know if Ultimate AV Mag and Audio-Video Revolution are as well regarded as those other two, but they (UAVM & AVR) also praise Definitive speakers a great deal.

Has Bose actually gotten great reviews from HTM, S&V, UAVM, or AVR? Seriously now.

 

[Joe Schmoe]

I have to agree with the bashers that Def Tech publishes misleading specs (though they do not lie, they merely leave out information, which is very different giving false information.) This is unfortunate, as is is the one and only negative aspect of an otherwise outstanding product.
If anything, their bass response is too strong. I don't use them in my 2-channel system for that reason. (They would be improved by the inclusion of foam bungs for blocking the bass ports, such as B&W provides.)

 

[MinusTheBear]

First off I would like to point out I have never listened to Def Tech products however this board has ruined it for me to ever give their products a try. It seems Def Tech owners (not all) have to justify and defend their purchase to death if somone has any sort of negative opinion on them and try to twist things back on them so they can sing their praises. If somone doesnt like Def Tech big deal live with it.

As to the OP, go and listen to the Def Techs and see if you like them. Try to listen to as many other speakers as possible as well.

 

[zumbo]

Wow. zumbo, you are truly full of sh!t. Yep, I said so. Take it or leave it. My system sounds awesome. Post elsewhere @sshole if you don't have anything worthwhile to add. No offense to any NON-owners.

The OP asked for opinions. When that is done, people should expect to get good and bad. The other stuff was just poking fun with other members. Sorry you didn't get it. If you look back through the thread, you will see my speakers were picked-on, and I thanked the member for the funny post. But, this thread is not about what I own.

 

[GlocksRock]

First off I would like to point out I have never listened to Def Tech products however this board has ruined it for me to ever give their products a try.

It seems silly that you would let the opinions of others on an internet forum dissuade you from even giving them a listen. I say if you are in the market for new speakers, you owe it to yourself to at least demo them, you never know, you just might like what you hear.

 

[Exit]

"I'd rather get one room done right and leave her with the bose cube system in the living room."

Surely you could come up with an alternative to Bose in the living room that would satisfy your wife. There are the designer style spherical speakers from companies such as Anthony Gallo and others which would be small enough and have enough designer style to please your wife. I am thinking the copper or stainless steel spheres would look good in about any room. I would rather have no system at all than to have Bose. Think of what a knowledgeable audio person will think when they enter your living room. I for one would not want the embarassment. If cost/size is a big driver you may want to look at a Mirage nonostat speaker package. Ahything worth doing is worth doing right. You may get stuck listening to those Bose speakers. Think about that.

 

[zumbo]

Zumbo is just trying to have a little fun, so let the fun begin.

Apparently, Zumbo might be a MB Quart fan boy.

So let's give it up for his beloved MB Quart speakers.

According to MB Quart, the ALEXXA S-One has a frequency response of 33 Hz - 32 kHz.

As you can see on this SPL vs. Frequency Response graph, it is actually about 51 Hz – 20 kHz +/-3dB:

http://www.mbquart.com/all/downloads/testberichte/HifiTest_6_06_Alexxa_S1_en.pdf

"Untere Grenzfreqenz (-3dB) 51 Hz" - That’s German for lower frequency response @ -3dB = 51 Hz.

http://www.mbquart.com/all/downloads/testberichte/Stereoplay_11_06_AS_Sone_en.pdf

MB Quart is a bunch of liars and their speakers suck.

P.S. I'm only trying to play along with Zumbo on this.

Sorry to the OP for this off-topic post, but as you can see here, the links above are downloads made available from Quart. You can't get any more honest than that.

As for frequency response, I use a sub to handle my LF.

 

[MinusTheBear]

It seems silly that you would let the opinions of others on an internet forum dissuade you from even giving them a listen. I say if you are in the market for new speakers, you owe it to yourself to at least demo them, you never know, you just might like what you hear.

I know it is silly but that is just how I am. It is the same reason I will not buy any Paridigm products as well. Just from my experience in the past with Paridigm owners in person are so pompus and has always left a bad taste in my mouth. They would always boast and brag and basically tell me you are foolish not to buy these and your speakers suck. One Paridigm owner actually tried to convince me that you have to have all your speakers cables exactly the same length and actually got angry when I said I dont have mine all the same.

 

[Joe Schmoe]

That sort of attitude is all too common in the audio world. It is purely coincidence that the people you happened to hear it from were Paradigm owners, as it could just as easily have been any brand.

 

[Demonster]

"I'd rather get one room done right and leave her with the bose cube system in the living room."

Surely you could come up with an alternative to Bose in the living room that would satisfy your wife. There are the designer style spherical speakers from companies such as Anthony Gallo and others which would be small enough and have enough designer style to please your wife. I am thinking the copper or stainless steel spheres would look good in about any room. I would rather have no system at all than to have Bose. Think of what a knowledgeable audio person will think when they enter your living room. I for one would not want the embarassment. If cost/size is a big driver you may want to look at a Mirage nonostat speaker package. Ahything worth doing is worth doing right. You may get stuck listening to those Bose speakers. Think about that.

Well Said - at best I hope when I get it done right any would be theives that make it into my home will grab the bose instead of goin upstaors to the HT. . . .

 

[MinusTheBear]

That sort of attitude is all too common in the audio world. It is purely coincidence that the people you happened to hear it from were Paradigm owners, as it could just as easily have been any brand.

I totally agree with you Joe, I am in no way trying to single out Pardigm or its owners, this has just been my experience.

 

[jcPanny]

HT Demos

Demonster,
It sounds like you have a decent budget for 1 or 2 HT rooms.
I would recomend deciding on the total budget for each room and audition several options in your price range. You should be able to hear Deftech, Paridigm, Klipsch, B&W and other brands at local B&M dealers. For ID companies Like Axiom, AV123, Ascend, and Aperion, check on their forums for owners in the area that will let you demo their system.

I would also recommend spending more on the sepakers than the sub. JL makes some compact and subs with excelent performance, but most people would be just has happy with a couple MFW-15's or an SVS Ultra sub for around $1k.

 

[GlocksRock]

I totally agree with you Joe, I am in no way trying to single out Pardigm or its owners, this has just been my experience.

What kind of speakers do you have now? If I told you those were the best, and if you didn't own those, your speakers would be garbage... would you then go get a different brand? If you are that easily persuaded by others, maybe you should spend less time online. Not trying to flame you, but it seems as though you are being very closed minded here.

 

[Dezoris]

I have all Def Techs.

CLR2000, BP10, SCII, etc.

I have a review I am working on comparing the BP10s with the EMP's EF30T that are so well reviewed.

I have demo'd several speakers in this class since I own the BP10s I can't say they are the best speaker but they are also not the worst.

One thing they do have going for them as with most definitives is their bass response. Providing a lot of bass response from a small package.

While in some cases they are not the most lifelike for 2 channel audio they certainly are much more flexible in terms of placement.

If I have people over watching music of movies the person sitting in the center of the room is not the only one who gets balanced sound which is a big positive for the bi-polar design vs. the direct designs.

But to say they are marketing hype, is off. The higher end models such as the 7000 series are serious speakers, and their subs don't get enough credit.

 

[Midcow2]

better stay awy from these also ....

I know it is silly but that is just how I am. It is the same reason I will not buy any Paridigm products as well. Just from my experience in the past with Paridigm owners in person are so pompus and has always left a bad taste in my mouth. They would always boast and brag and basically tell me you are foolish not to buy these and your speakers suck. One Paridigm owner actually tried to convince me that you have to have all your speakers cables exactly the same length and actually got angry when I said I dont have mine all the same.

If I were you, I would not consider buying a Lexus, BMW or Mercedes either because most of the owners of those cars are also pompus. Also, I guess that means you won't be voting Democratic in the upcomping presidential election.

Rather ,auditio a Def Tech speakers before you let someone else influence by their BEHAVIOUR

P.S. -Did the Paridigm user's square head exactly match his square HT room ?

Chill Out with a good brew, lif is just too short

 

[Seth=L]

No subwoofer Def Tech makes will be as accurate as the JL audio subwoofers mentioned.

 

[Seth=L]

Well Said - at best I hope when I get it done right any would be theives that make it into my home will grab the bose instead of goin upstaors to the HT. . . .

Thieves don't let thieves steal Bose.

In reality, they would more than likely steal the Bose as the depreciation for Bose is quite low.

 

[zumbo]

No subwoofer Def Tech makes will be as accurate as the JL audio subwoofers mentioned.

IMHO, no sub from any company can touch JL. I just don't have the coin.