Treason

[mtrycrafts]

This same thing happened in Vietnam. It takes a nation to win a war, not just an army - keep that in mind.

One reason to pick your fights that the whole nation will support. Unfortunately, this one like the Vietnam war was sold under false pretenses, no?

 

[jeffsg4mac]

So you admit that you can't come up with one person who fits your description of having been convicted of treason for "less than" expressing disagreement with the continuation of an ongoing military conflict?

Yes anyone could but why bother. I am sure it still wont change your opinion would it?

 

[mtrycrafts]

... Bush may have sent the troops there, but at the time, a large majority of Americans supported the decision. He capitalized at the time.

Don't forget how that happened though, he scared the daylights out of everyone with his dire predictions or mushroom clouds any minute. Forget all the weapons that the inspectors destroyed they were about to attack us with drone planes, etc.
The people fell for it, hook, line and sinker. What now, when we know better? Keep on trucking? For how long? 50 years? 100 Years?

 

[Johnd]

Yes anyone could but why bother. I am sure it still wont change your opinion would it?

Haaa!

In the words of the great George Carlin: "I have the most right to complain because I didn't vote (for her (Pelosi))!

 

[jeffsg4mac]

So you admit that you can't come up with one person who fits your description of having been convicted of treason for "less than" expressing disagreement with the continuation of an ongoing military conflict?

Well here is one for you, pretty much did the same kind of stuff Murtha, Kerry and others have done.

Robert Henry Best

 

[jonnythan]

Yes anyone could but why bother. I am sure it still wont change your opinion would it?

That's basically "OK, I don't know of any, but I'm going to puff out my chest and flex and hopefully you'll just drop it."


The First Amendment is not there to protect speech that everyone agrees with. It's there to protect controversial speech. It's there to protect speech that people vehemently oppose.

Pelosi's words have not incited anyone to violence. They have not given aid to "the enemy." I know a handful of Marines and they sure as hell haven't been "demoralized" by what they perceive as bleeding heart, weak, liberal opposition to the war.


Expressing an opinion contrary to current government policy is one of the most treasured, important, fundamental freedoms we have. The ability to stand up and shout "NO! This is bad. I vehemently disagree with government policy and will do everything within my legal power to change it!" is an absolute cornerstone of our democratic system.

Violating that freedom would be an absolute travesty.

And, oh by the way... Pelosi's statements echo the opinions of millions of Americans. Just sayin.

 

[jonnythan]

Well here is one for you, pretty much did the same kind of stuff Murtha, Kerry and others have done.

Robert Henry Best

"In March 1942 Best was hired by the German Foreign Office radio division which was a Nazi propaganda machine created by Joseph Goebbels. Best began broadcasting Nazi propaganda from Germany. [2] Best's broadcasts were anti-Semitic and anti-Roosevelt, even though many of his former friends in Austria were Jewish. Best was one of two dozen Americans recruited at various times to broadcast to the United States from Berlin.[3]. Best's broadcasts became so strident, that his Nazi supervisors took him off the air on July 14, 1942."

At what point did Nancy Pelosi begin broadcasting racist Islamic fundamentalist propoganda and actively calling for war on the United States while on the payroll of Al Qaeda?

What a horrid example.

 

[jeffsg4mac]

Don't forget how that happened though, he scared the daylights out of everyone with his dire predictions or mushroom clouds any minute. Forget all the weapons that the inspectors destroyed they were about to attack us with drone planes, etc.
The people fell for it, hook, line and sinker. What now, when we know better? Keep on trucking? For how long? 50 years? 100 Years?

Everyone is always concerned about our children right? Well isn't better that we dealt with it now instead of leaving it for them to deal with later?

 

[jeffsg4mac]

"In March 1942 Best was hired by the German Foreign Office radio division which was a Nazi propaganda machine created by Joseph Goebbels. Best began broadcasting Nazi propaganda from Germany. [2] Best's broadcasts were anti-Semitic and anti-Roosevelt, even though many of his former friends in Austria were Jewish. Best was one of two dozen Americans recruited at various times to broadcast to the United States from Berlin.[3]. Best's broadcasts became so strident, that his Nazi supervisors took him off the air on July 14, 1942."

At what point did Nancy Pelosi begin broadcasting racist Islamic fundamentalist propoganda while on the payroll of Al Qaeda? What a horrid example.

The very day she went took her little trip, the very day Murtha called our troops murders, the very day Kerry said our troops were raping and pillaging villages. That is al qaeda propaganda. Just because they were not paid does not make it propaganda from the enemy. The very fact the Harry Reid said we LOST the war when we had troops on the ground is treason by any definition.

 

[stratman]

One reason to pick your fights that the whole nation will support. Unfortunately, this one like the Vietnam war was sold under false pretenses, no?

Well Vietnam was about "containment" and "policing" rather than winning, that policy was evident from the beginning when the word "containment" started to float in the press in the mid-60s, the majority of Americans didn't know where Vietnam was, but they knew that communism was involved, the mistake in Vietnam was simple. They didn't let the professionals do their jobs (The Armed Forces), instead politicos and their egos tried to play arm chair generals. We could have taken Vietnam, but that was never the political intent. Rather it became formulaic: threaten, appease, threaten, appease, bombing campaign (linebackers I & II), appease (Paris Accords) which ended in capitulation. That is Vietnam in a nutshell. This is the same mind set that we have in Washington now. There isn't a "let's get it done and done right" attitude anymore, now its "well what will the press say, what will the polls say, what will Letterman, Leno and Oprah say.....who cares. We've become a bunch of sissies, our president (which I voted for) is a sissy, his cabinet is deplorable, we need a real STRONG leader willing to overlook his popularity poll and do what's right for this country. There hasn't been quality leadership in this country since 1988, that's 20 years!

 

[jeffsg4mac]

We've become a bunch of sissies, our president (which I voted for) is a sissy, his cabinet is deplorable, we need a real STRONG leader willing to overlook his popularity poll and do what's right for this country. There hasn't been quality leadership in this country since 1988, that's 20 years!

You said it brother!!!

 

[rnatalli]

We must be careful when we apply positions universally without flexibility. There can be no justice when laws are absolute.

My wife having grown up in the Soviet Union has interesting prospectives on things. Her grandmother describes what was going on when Germany was invading Russia. In short, Stalin killed anyone who even suggested Germany was invading even though it was clear millions of troops were already in Russian territory. In a democracy, no one should be silenced for taking the anti position.

The keywords being used in this thread is we "should" do this or that. Based on our Constitution and current laws, Pelosi did nothing wrong. Hell, I don't like the woman either. You may not agreement with what she did and it be downright wrong in your eyes, but not according to our current system. We live in a republic/democratic society, not a society based on militarism.

 

[jonnythan]

The keywords being used in this thread is we "should" do this or that. Based on our Constitution and current laws, Pelosi did nothing wrong. Hell, I don't like the woman either. You may not agreement with what she did and it be downright wrong in your eyes, but not according to our current system. We live in a republic/democratic society, not a society based on militarism.

Thank you. I was feeling awfully alone.

 

[rnatalli]

If it were up to me, I'd do things differently, but it's not up to me. The majority rules.

Maybe we should start a thread about how we would do things. Could be fun.

 

[jeffsg4mac]

The keywords being used in this thread is we "should" do this or that. Based on our Constitution and current laws, Pelosi did nothing wrong. Hell, I don't like the woman either. You may not agreement with what she did and it be downright wrong in your eyes, but not according to our current system. We live in a republic/democratic society, not a society based on militarism.

Well that is the part that is up for debate. I submit as do others that she and others like her, Reid, Murtha, Kerry, etc. have committed a crime against this country. All that is needed is someone with the courage to take it further. That is the problem with this country. We have very few left with courage. They are all off fighting in Iraq or Afghanistan.

 

[Rickster71]

I would rather this thread be about the Bush administration and the obviousness of it all that Iraq was not threat terrorist wise. Please remember that we have all been mis-led. Those who fail to remember history are doomed to repeat it.

If Iraq wasn't a threat why did the United Nations ( During both the Bill Clinton & G.W Bush Presidency)
pass sixteen U.N. Resolutions against Saddam and Iraq?
http://www.state.gov/p/nea/rls/13456.htm

 

[jeffsg4mac]

On a side note, Johnythan, don't take any of this personal. None is meant. I have very strong feelings of what members of congress on BOTH sides of the isle have done and are doing to this country. In my opinion they ALL need to be replaced. Every last one of them.

 

[rnatalli]

We have very few left with courage.

Can't say I disagree with that statement in itself. We are wimps these days. We don't even enforce the laws we have.

Just about everyone in our government is guilty in someone's eyes, but we have to adhere to what we have in place. If the majority feels something isn't right, we change it. But the majority isn't always right. Afterall, the majority thought the world was flat at one point. But you also don't want one person making the rules as we've seen examples in history of that. It's about balance and it's never going to be perfect so we all have to accept compromises.

 

[jeffsg4mac]

Can't say I disagree with that statement in itself. We are wimps these days. We don't even enforce the laws we have.

Just about everyone in our government is guilty in someone's eyes, but we have to adhere to what we have in place. If the majority feels something isn't right, we change it. But the majority isn't always right. Afterall, the majority thought the world was flat at one point. But you also don't want one person making the rules as we've seen examples in history of that. It's about balance and it's never going to be perfect so we all have to accept compromises.

Pretty sad really. When a country has to debate things like what to do with convicted child molesters you know we have a problem.

 

[Rickster71]

One reason to pick your fights that the whole nation will support. Unfortunately, this one like the Vietnam war was sold under false pretenses, no?

How did Hillary not see right through these 'False Pretenses?'

So did you ever wonder why Hillary Clinton signed on to go to war, without investigating further?
Don't you see that the top Democrat (Hillary) just jumped on the band wagon, along with all the rest?
She has been touted as the most intelligent women. So why was she duped by the reports and intell to go to war?