Took the plunge to hang out with the big boys

[AcuDefTechGuy]

I'll have to live vicariously through you on this one for a while! I look forward to what you have to say after getting it set up.



I've been very happy with my BPVX's; if you haven't checked them out already, worth a consideration and are only $100 more each retail than the BP10B's. They go plenty low for surrounds and do an excellent job. I also like having the same MTM driver compliment in all speaker channels. I didn't go with the BPVX/P version since I had plenty of external amplification to drive the BPVX's, but the crossover differences between the two speakers does allow the BPVX/P's to go a little lower in frequency response, but not enough to make me want to run power wires to my surrounds and spend the extra $$$. I doubt the difference in bass response in any of the surrounds you could go with would be noticeable at all with all the other subs in your system , unless you went with more large powered towers as surrounds. Didn't want to hijack the thread, but you brought it up and it's your thread! Congrats again on the sub, and heck you got 12 months to chip away at that bill.

I've listened to the BPVX & BPVX/P Surrounds, and they both sound pretty good. It's just that surround speakers are kind of hard to judge because the only things coming out of them are background dialogue, ambience, and panning special effects and not the Main Dialogue and Main Actions like in the Front Three.

The SM450s have been reviewed by The Audio Critic, HT Mag, & Sound & Vision Mag as Main L+R speakers. The Verdict: Very Smooth & Accurate Mids & Highs, & Strong Bass down to 40Hz (-6dB). I figured that if they can be used as Main L+R Speakers, they should work great for Surrounds.

Now the BP10Bs are something speacial. Very highly praised by Julian Hirsch/Stereo Review as Outstanding speakers with Smooth & Accurate Mids & Highs, and Very Strong Bass down to 20Hz (-5dB)! True Full Range Speaker that I can get at my dealer for only $125 more/each (or $250 more/pr) than the SM450. If I could go back in time, there is absolutely no question I would have gotten the BP10Bs instead of the SM450s. I would have even gotten the BP10Bs instead of the CLR3000. In the future (new home HT), I may just get 5 BP10Bs to replace the 4 SM450s & the 1 CLR3000 Center.

 

[ParadigmDawg]

Congrats DT...you may now move up to the next size panties...one more upgrade and we will let you move into boy underware...

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

The Problem with Transformers HD DVD...

...is that most of the bass in the soundtrack are BELOW 20Hz. I think.

My BP7000SCs can easily dish out tremendous deep powerful bass from 20Hz-30Hz with both woofers tied behind their backs.

However, they cannot crank out those Extra Deep Subsonic Bass Below 20Hz with much authority.

So now I finally understand why you guys say that the Built-in SuperCube Reference subs in the BP7000SCs CANNOT substitute for a Dedicated Powerful (Subsonic) Subwoofer.

My first movie to audition the Trinity with was, of course, Transformers HD.
WOW!
All those Subsonic bass that I could hear hear before!
The action scenes now makes sense.
When the helicopter Decepticon blasted the military bass to kingdom come in the opening scenes, I could now hear all those Low Bass Laser Blasts. When the exploding tanks landed, I could now hear the big THUMP.

The second DVD (SD & DD 5.1) I watched was Fox's "24" show Season 2 Disc 2 w/Kefer Sutherland. WOW. Some scenes had very deep powerful bass. They made very good usage of the surround speakers - background dialogue, telephone ringing, and a million ambient sounds & panning effects like the jets flying by, which had some serious subsonic sounds.

Now I know why I need the Trinity.
And now my wife hates my HT room even more.
She makes me turn off the Trinity completely when she is watching action movies with me! So now I must find those quieter movies to watch with her so that I don't have to turn off my Trinity.

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

Congrats DT...you may now move up to the next size panties...one more upgrade and we will let you move into boy underware...

I didn't even realize there are different sizes of panties.
And I don't even want to know what a Boy Underwear Subwoofer looks like!!!

I can almost see Mazer's animation of a Subwoofer & a White Fruit of the Loom Underwear!

 

[Warpdrv]

Awesome buddy.... thanks for the pics...

You have a really nice room there... Everything is so nicely put together...

 

[mazersteven]

I can almost see Mazer's animation of a Subwoofer & a White Fruit of the Loom Underwear!

 

[mazersteven]

http://forums.audioholics.com/forums/showthread.php?p=342934#post342934

 

[ParadigmDawg]

Dont make him feel bad...he already spent the money

http://forums.audioholics.com/forums/showthread.php?p=342934#post342934

 

[Davemcc]

She makes me turn off the Trinity completely when she is watching action movies with me! So now I must find those quieter movies to watch with her so that I don't have to turn off my Trinity.

There's something tragically ironic about having to sit through The Notebook just so you can leave your manly subwoofer on.
When the movies over and you've composed yourself from crying on her shoulder for an hour, ask her if you can take the panties off and make the big decision without her input, boxers or briefs?

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

Dont make him feel bad...he already spent the money

Actually, that's great info.
I'm planning on buying the BP10Bs to replace my SM450s!

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

There's something tragically ironic about having to sit through The Notebook just so you can leave your manly subwoofer on.
When the movies over and you've composed yourself from crying on her shoulder for an hour, ask her if you can take the panties off and make the big decision without her input, boxers or briefs?

That's almost funny!**ha**ha

We did just watch The Notebook the other day!
The bass was still very present, but she was too busy crying to notice!

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

Awesome buddy.... thanks for the pics...

You have a really nice room there... Everything is so nicely put together...

Thanks.

And as of now, I'm only $1,900 down (12 months at least).
Just read the other thread from Mazer linking to David Gaudreau's thread about the awesome DefTech prices.

Thanks a lot, guys!

David says he can get me 4 BP10Bs for only about $1,400 (Retail is $2,000).

This hobby is really sick.
Sick I tell you!
I'm actually dumb enough to be seriously thinking of being down $3,300 ($1,900 + $1,400)!

You guys are going to convince me not to do this, right?

Have some self control, right?

 

[Warpdrv]

You guys are going to convince me not to do this, right?

Have some self control, right?

Take your time... you just bought an amazing addition to your setup... and you already have some incredible gear... I know how it goes... I just spent a ton on new audio stuff as well... At least I have the option of sending it back If Im not happy... I ordered a SVS SB12 and some Dana 630's for my son's christmas present, and a full 5.0 set of SVS's new MTS line for me.

So another $3K out the door on audio lineup. hehhehe when does it ever stop..

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

Take your time... you just bought an amazing addition to your setup... and you already have some incredible gear... I know how it goes... I just spent a ton on new audio stuff as well... At least I have the option of sending it back If Im not happy... I ordered a SVS SB12 and some Dana 630's for my son's christmas present, and a full 5.0 set of SVS's new MTS line for me.

So another $3K out the door on audio lineup. hehhehe when does it ever stop..

Wow, I wish my dad had bought me some Dana 630 bookself speakers & a SB12 sub when I was younger! How old is your son to be getting such a big present? We spoil the heck out of our kids these days, don't we? I just bought my 5 yr old daughter her first $500 computer.

So do you think I would gain anything at all by upgrading my surround speakers?

Current Surround: 13" bookshelf SM450 (47Hz-20kHz +/-3dB @ 90dB w/m)
Considering: 42" tower BP10B (25Hz-20kHz +/-3dB @ 90dB w/m, 20Hz @-5dB)

I know the BP10Bs are intended for Main L + R speakers and are much better speakers overall, but do you think I will actually hear any improvements for SURROUND speakers?

 

[ParadigmDawg]

No not for movies. Maybe worth a try if you listen to a lot of SACDs but for HT; I wouldnt even bother. I have used some $40 sony surrounds and they werent that bad back there.

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I know the BP10Bs are intended for Main L + R speakers and are much better speakers overall, but do you think I will actually hear any improvements for SURROUND speakers?

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

No not for movies. Maybe worth a try if you listen to a lot of SACDs but for HT; I wouldnt even bother. I have used some $40 sony surrounds and they werent that bad back there.

Thanks, Greg.

I think I just need someone to slap some sense into me!

What the heck am I thinking trying to waste good money on just the surrounds!

I own some SACDs or DVD-As, but I hardly ever listen to them.