British teacher in Sudan out of jail

[markw]

http://www6.comcast.net/news/articles/general/2007/12/03/Sudan.British.Teacher/?cvqh=itn_teddy

I'm glad calmer heads prevailed here but this whole incident is indicitive of what an Islamic country under Sharia law can become.

"They" claim that the nearly 1000 protesters in Khartoum (sp?) calling for her execution was a amall majority but, really now, how could this small majority pull off such a demonstration without at least tacit governmental approval.

Add to this the "adultress" in Saudi Arabia, the killings of the "immoral" in Iran and it just makes Islam and Sharia law look worse and worse.

Remember libs, this is what everyone else is fighting to prevent ruling our lives and, hopefully, remove others from under it's thumb. Keep an eye out for the nose of the camel.

 

[Rickster71]

Hi Mark,
It goes to show you how much they pay attention to the media, and politics in the USA.
As soon as they realized they were getting widely covered bad press, they pardoned the teacher.

 

[10010011]

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Remember libs, this is what everyone else is fighting to prevent ruling our lives and, hopefully, remove others from under it's thumb.

I did not realize the rulers of these Islamic countries were considered to be liberals.

If anything it shows quite clearly what happens when you let religion and religious conservatives rule a country without any liberal influences.

 

[markw]

I did not realize the rulers of these Islamic countries were considered to be liberals.

There'sa lot you're confused about if that's what you read into my post.

If anything it shows quite clearly what happens when you let religion and religious conservatives rule a country without any liberal influences.

So, you really think that the religious right would institute such barbaric punishments if left to their own devices? Do you check under your bed for monters nightly too?

Hey, you're the ones killing babies and setting murders free, not them.

 

[Alex2507]

So, you really think that the religious right would institute such barbaric punishments if left to their own devices? Do you check under your bed for monters nightly too?

Hey, you're the ones killing babies and setting murders free, not them.

That's what I call going for the jugular!
Let me guess, you are:
1. Anti Abortion
2. Pro Death Penalty
3. Republican

Not that there is anything wrong with that.

 

[jinjuku]

It was being pointed out that only 1000 of the 2 million people there were protesting and calling for her death. It was being pointed out not to judge 2 million on the actions of 1000.

I have to say this: I wasn't. I was basing my opinion on the fact that she was arrested, prosecuted, sentenced, and jailed for it in the first place. The 1000 idiots is just icing on the cake. All this under government sanction.

I can not wait till we dis-entangle ourselves from the middle-east primarily, and fundamental religious regimes second. If you are Muslim and in the U.S. great. If you don't want to participate and adjust to the way we do things over here, have respect, understanding, and tolerance of others and their culture you don't need to be here then.

 

[Alex2507]

Correct me if I'm wrong in believing that in this country my right to be anti-social, disrespectful, ignorant and intolerant is constitutionally protected. It's in Saudi Arabia where all that stuff is punishable by death or whatever.

 

[jinjuku]

Correct me if I'm wrong in believing that in this country my right to be anti-social, disrespectful, ignorant and intolerant is constitutionally protected. It's in Saudi Arabia where all that stuff is punishable by death or whatever.

Tell that to David Koresh or any of the fundamentalists that have been expelled from the U.S.

It just means that you wouldn't be welcome. It's conceivable that there is going to be a serious clash of cultures. Let a nuke or radio-active device go off here in the U.S and you will see the constitution suspended in the wink of an eye.

 

[markw]

It was being pointed out that only 1000 of the 2 million people there were protesting and calling for her death. It was being pointed out not to judge 2 million on the actions of 1000.

Perhaps but, as I said earlier, it's highly unlikely that this "unofficial protest" could have taken placwe without the ruling government allowing it. The same government who is backing the janjaweed murders who are killing non-muslims.

have to say this: I wasn't. I was basing my opinion on the fact that she was arrested, prosecuted, sentenced, and jailed for it in the first place. The 1000 idiots is just icing on the cake. All this under government sanction.

But what about the children, whose idea this was and who voted to name the teddy bear mohammad. At least their parents should be disciplined, no? After all, the kids and their parents are Muslim. She isn't.

I can not wait till we dis-entangle ourselves from the middle-east primarily, and fundamental religious regimes second. If you are Muslim and in the U.S. great. If you don't want to participate and adjust to the way we do things over here, have respect, understanding, and tolerance of others and their culture you don't need to be here then.

This I can agree with but, sorry to say, the West feel some sort of obligation to help those less fortunate than them.

Africa depends mainly on donations for their survival. A lot comes from churches who, by nature, tend to try to help the needy. That most of their donations get stolen and wind up feeding the warlords is a conumdrum.

http://76.12.0.56/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=197&Itemid=1[

It may be a little old but it's still an ongoing concern. This is going on all over Africa and the UN is powerless and so is the African Union.

 

[markw]

Let me guess, you are:
1. Anti Abortion

Not when it's used for medical reasons or in the case of rape. If it's to kill a baby simply because the animals who conceived it were too lazy to use a contraceptive, well, give her the abortion but tie her tube while they are in there. OK, tie 'em the second time.

Don't get me started on females who simply churn out babies on the state's dime. Tie dem tunes when they give birth, too. If you can afford to make 'em, you can afford to raise 'em.

2. Pro Death Penalty

Only whenther is no doubt such as multiple witnesses. Otherwise, life without parole, and I mean without parole... ever. You know those libs...

If future trechnology or evidence comes up to clear 'em, like DNA testing has done for other. then they go free.

3. Republican[/qupte]Not really. I vote for the best of the bunch. Problem is that lately there hasen't been too much of a choice so, in case of a tie, I vote against the incumbent unles they have done an exceptinal job.

Not that there is anything wrong with that.

I hear ya. I just sisn it wasthat simple

 

[10010011]

So, you really think that the religious right would institute such barbaric punishments if left to their own devices?

Yes

Do you check under your bed for monters nightly too?

No, I am not afraid of monters.

I bet you check under your bed for terrorists?

Hey, you're the ones killing babies and setting murders free, not them.

Speaking of terrorists, you're the ones who have bombed abortion clinics.

 

[Alex2507]

Tell that to David Koresh or any of the fundamentalists that have been expelled from the U.S.

Stupidity is swiftly punished the whole world over. If you live in Jordan and feel compelled to get a little on the side you should move, right? They kill people for that.

BTW I check under my bed for monsters and terrorists.

 

[markw]

So, you really think that the religious right would institute such barbaric punishments if left to their own devices?

Yes

Then you are as simple as your post implied. It's too bad you haven't learned a thing about this country, which is amazing since I think you live in it.

No, I am not afraid of monters.

Actually, I'd consider anyone who killed their own baby a monster, wouldn't you?

Well. I'm afraid of simple minded folks like you being in decision capacity. It's good that calmer minds prevail here, too

I bet you check under your bed for terrorists?

Well, terrorists are real. Ever hear of 9/11? I don't have to check under the bed, thanks to the many efficient means of electronic surviellance that exists today. Praise the Lord for them.

Speaking of terrorists, you're the ones who have bombed abortion clinics.

Me? Neither I not anyone I know have ever bombed an abortion clinic. honestly, how many did that?

But, how many females do you know that had abortions simply to get rid of an inconvenient birth that was caused by their own stupidity or laziness? Anywhere near the number of babies that were killed?

Or anywhere near the number that died in 9/11 even?

I wouldn't worry too much if I were you. Since there's a naked chocolate Jesus on display in NYC without armed guards to protect it, I'd say you don't have too much to be afraid of and you're just crying in the wind.

 

[10010011]

Me? Neither I not anyone I know have ever bombed an abortion clinic. honestly, how many did that?

Well I have never nor has anyone I know killed a baby or set a murder free either, but that did not stop you from saying.

Hey, you're the ones killing babies and setting murders free, not them.

Hypocrisy

 

[markw]

Well I have never nor has anyone I know killed a baby or set a murder free either, but that did not stop you from saying.

Then you've either led a very sheltered or very short life. Either that, or nobody ever trusted you enough to discuss it with you.

 

[10010011]

Then you've either led a very sheltered or very short life. Either that, or nobody ever trusted you enough to discuss it with you.

Maybe so, or it could be the fact that I never asked. Because it is none of my business if someone I know chose to have an abortion. (I take it that is what you meant by killing a baby)

 

[mtrycrafts]

...to prevent ruling our lives and, hopefully, remove others from under it's thumb. .

Yes, I agree with you. This shows us that it is certainly not a kind religion when it is a state that is behind it. But, that could apply to other religions, no?
As to removing others from its grip, what do you propose we do? Take down each government that is established with this religion?

 

[markw]

Yes, I agree with you. This shows us that it is certainly not a kind religion when it is a state that is behind it. But, that could apply to other religions, no?

No true "religion" mandates the cruelty that emanates from Sharia law. That's from the rulers, nobody else.

The Old Testament has some rather cruel punishments suggested but, fortunately, better minds have seen to not implement these. Otherwise, imagine the hell hole Israel would be.

As to removing others from its grip, what do you propose we do? Take down each government that is established with this religion?

We can't. Bush proved that in Iraq. Some people just aren't made to live free.

The best we can do is to try to help the unwilling victims of the oppression which, so far, seems to be left to the UN, which has proven useless, or to the churches and various other aid groups that try to soften the blow to the oppressed with charity work.

 

[mtrycrafts]

No true "religion" mandates the cruelty that emanates from Sharia law. That's from the rulers, nobody else. The Old Testament has some rather cruel punishments suggested but, fortunately, better minds have seen to not implement these. Otherwise, imagine the hell hole Israel would be.

Yes, might makes right over there. A matter if interpretation of anything, including when life begins. All relative, isn't it.
Perhaps the jewish history is free of such barbarism, I don't know; or, they have just evolved away from it, except for some of their fundamentalists perhaps?

We can't. Bush proved that in Iraq. Some people just aren't made to live free.

Yes, he did and at what cost. Hope this experiment will not be forgotten for a long while.

The best we can do is to try to help the unwilling victims of the oppression which, so far, seems to be left to the UN, which has proven useless, or to the churches and various other aid groups that try to soften the blow to the oppressed with charity work.

Well, yes, the UN One only has to see the makeup of its members, numbers game.
Helping the victims is about all we can do.