M markw Audioholic Overlord Nov 26, 2003 11,607 0 113 Dec 3, 2007 #1 http://www6.comcast.net/news/articles/general/2007/12/03/Sudan.British.Teacher/?cvqh=itn_teddy I'm glad calmer heads prevailed here but this whole incident is indicitive of what an Islamic country under Sharia law can become. "They" claim that the nearly 1000 protesters in Khartoum (sp?) calling for her execution was a amall majority but, really now, how could this small majority pull off such a demonstration without at least tacit governmental approval. Add to this the "adultress" in Saudi Arabia, the killings of the "immoral" in Iran and it just makes Islam and Sharia law look worse and worse. Remember libs, this is what everyone else is fighting to prevent ruling our lives and, hopefully, remove others from under it's thumb. Keep an eye out for the nose of the camel. Reactions: stratman
http://www6.comcast.net/news/articles/general/2007/12/03/Sudan.British.Teacher/?cvqh=itn_teddy I'm glad calmer heads prevailed here but this whole incident is indicitive of what an Islamic country under Sharia law can become. "They" claim that the nearly 1000 protesters in Khartoum (sp?) calling for her execution was a amall majority but, really now, how could this small majority pull off such a demonstration without at least tacit governmental approval. Add to this the "adultress" in Saudi Arabia, the killings of the "immoral" in Iran and it just makes Islam and Sharia law look worse and worse. Remember libs, this is what everyone else is fighting to prevent ruling our lives and, hopefully, remove others from under it's thumb. Keep an eye out for the nose of the camel.
Rickster71 Audioholic Spartan Jan 15, 2006 7,170 0 113 N.J. Dec 3, 2007 #2 Hi Mark, It goes to show you how much they pay attention to the media, and politics in the USA. As soon as they realized they were getting widely covered bad press, they pardoned the teacher.
Hi Mark, It goes to show you how much they pay attention to the media, and politics in the USA. As soon as they realized they were getting widely covered bad press, they pardoned the teacher.
1 10010011 Senior Audioholic Dec 13, 2004 654 0 0 NW Washington Dec 3, 2007 #3 markw said: [ Remember libs, this is what everyone else is fighting to prevent ruling our lives and, hopefully, remove others from under it's thumb. Click to expand... I did not realize the rulers of these Islamic countries were considered to be liberals. If anything it shows quite clearly what happens when you let religion and religious conservatives rule a country without any liberal influences.
markw said: [ Remember libs, this is what everyone else is fighting to prevent ruling our lives and, hopefully, remove others from under it's thumb. Click to expand... I did not realize the rulers of these Islamic countries were considered to be liberals. If anything it shows quite clearly what happens when you let religion and religious conservatives rule a country without any liberal influences.
M markw Audioholic Overlord Nov 26, 2003 11,607 0 113 Dec 3, 2007 #4 10010011 said: I did not realize the rulers of these Islamic countries were considered to be liberals. Click to expand... There'sa lot you're confused about if that's what you read into my post. 10010011 said: If anything it shows quite clearly what happens when you let religion and religious conservatives rule a country without any liberal influences. Click to expand... So, you really think that the religious right would institute such barbaric punishments if left to their own devices? Do you check under your bed for monters nightly too? Hey, you're the ones killing babies and setting murders free, not them. Reactions: stratman
10010011 said: I did not realize the rulers of these Islamic countries were considered to be liberals. Click to expand... There'sa lot you're confused about if that's what you read into my post. 10010011 said: If anything it shows quite clearly what happens when you let religion and religious conservatives rule a country without any liberal influences. Click to expand... So, you really think that the religious right would institute such barbaric punishments if left to their own devices? Do you check under your bed for monters nightly too? Hey, you're the ones killing babies and setting murders free, not them.
Alex2507 Audioholic Slumlord Dec 29, 2006 18,125 0 113 Nunya Bidness Dec 3, 2007 #5 markw said: So, you really think that the religious right would institute such barbaric punishments if left to their own devices? Do you check under your bed for monters nightly too? Hey, you're the ones killing babies and setting murders free, not them. Click to expand... That's what I call going for the jugular! Let me guess, you are: 1. Anti Abortion 2. Pro Death Penalty 3. Republican Not that there is anything wrong with that.
markw said: So, you really think that the religious right would institute such barbaric punishments if left to their own devices? Do you check under your bed for monters nightly too? Hey, you're the ones killing babies and setting murders free, not them. Click to expand... That's what I call going for the jugular! Let me guess, you are: 1. Anti Abortion 2. Pro Death Penalty 3. Republican Not that there is anything wrong with that.
jinjuku Moderator Apr 6, 2007 7,667 0 113 Louisville, KY Dec 3, 2007 #6 It was being pointed out that only 1000 of the 2 million people there were protesting and calling for her death. It was being pointed out not to judge 2 million on the actions of 1000. I have to say this: I wasn't. I was basing my opinion on the fact that she was arrested, prosecuted, sentenced, and jailed for it in the first place. The 1000 idiots is just icing on the cake. All this under government sanction. I can not wait till we dis-entangle ourselves from the middle-east primarily, and fundamental religious regimes second. If you are Muslim and in the U.S. great. If you don't want to participate and adjust to the way we do things over here, have respect, understanding, and tolerance of others and their culture you don't need to be here then. Last edited: Dec 3, 2007
It was being pointed out that only 1000 of the 2 million people there were protesting and calling for her death. It was being pointed out not to judge 2 million on the actions of 1000. I have to say this: I wasn't. I was basing my opinion on the fact that she was arrested, prosecuted, sentenced, and jailed for it in the first place. The 1000 idiots is just icing on the cake. All this under government sanction. I can not wait till we dis-entangle ourselves from the middle-east primarily, and fundamental religious regimes second. If you are Muslim and in the U.S. great. If you don't want to participate and adjust to the way we do things over here, have respect, understanding, and tolerance of others and their culture you don't need to be here then.
Alex2507 Audioholic Slumlord Dec 29, 2006 18,125 0 113 Nunya Bidness Dec 3, 2007 #7 Correct me if I'm wrong in believing that in this country my right to be anti-social, disrespectful, ignorant and intolerant is constitutionally protected. It's in Saudi Arabia where all that stuff is punishable by death or whatever.
Correct me if I'm wrong in believing that in this country my right to be anti-social, disrespectful, ignorant and intolerant is constitutionally protected. It's in Saudi Arabia where all that stuff is punishable by death or whatever.
jinjuku Moderator Apr 6, 2007 7,667 0 113 Louisville, KY Dec 3, 2007 #8 Alex2507 said: Correct me if I'm wrong in believing that in this country my right to be anti-social, disrespectful, ignorant and intolerant is constitutionally protected. It's in Saudi Arabia where all that stuff is punishable by death or whatever. Click to expand... Tell that to David Koresh or any of the fundamentalists that have been expelled from the U.S. It just means that you wouldn't be welcome. It's conceivable that there is going to be a serious clash of cultures. Let a nuke or radio-active device go off here in the U.S and you will see the constitution suspended in the wink of an eye.
Alex2507 said: Correct me if I'm wrong in believing that in this country my right to be anti-social, disrespectful, ignorant and intolerant is constitutionally protected. It's in Saudi Arabia where all that stuff is punishable by death or whatever. Click to expand... Tell that to David Koresh or any of the fundamentalists that have been expelled from the U.S. It just means that you wouldn't be welcome. It's conceivable that there is going to be a serious clash of cultures. Let a nuke or radio-active device go off here in the U.S and you will see the constitution suspended in the wink of an eye.
M markw Audioholic Overlord Nov 26, 2003 11,607 0 113 Dec 3, 2007 #9 jinjuku said: It was being pointed out that only 1000 of the 2 million people there were protesting and calling for her death. It was being pointed out not to judge 2 million on the actions of 1000. Click to expand... Perhaps but, as I said earlier, it's highly unlikely that this "unofficial protest" could have taken placwe without the ruling government allowing it. The same government who is backing the janjaweed murders who are killing non-muslims. jinjuku said: have to say this: I wasn't. I was basing my opinion on the fact that she was arrested, prosecuted, sentenced, and jailed for it in the first place. The 1000 idiots is just icing on the cake. All this under government sanction. Click to expand... But what about the children, whose idea this was and who voted to name the teddy bear mohammad. At least their parents should be disciplined, no? After all, the kids and their parents are Muslim. She isn't. jinjuku said: I can not wait till we dis-entangle ourselves from the middle-east primarily, and fundamental religious regimes second. If you are Muslim and in the U.S. great. If you don't want to participate and adjust to the way we do things over here, have respect, understanding, and tolerance of others and their culture you don't need to be here then. Click to expand... This I can agree with but, sorry to say, the West feel some sort of obligation to help those less fortunate than them. Africa depends mainly on donations for their survival. A lot comes from churches who, by nature, tend to try to help the needy. That most of their donations get stolen and wind up feeding the warlords is a conumdrum. http://76.12.0.56/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=197&Itemid=1[ It may be a little old but it's still an ongoing concern. This is going on all over Africa and the UN is powerless and so is the African Union.
jinjuku said: It was being pointed out that only 1000 of the 2 million people there were protesting and calling for her death. It was being pointed out not to judge 2 million on the actions of 1000. Click to expand... Perhaps but, as I said earlier, it's highly unlikely that this "unofficial protest" could have taken placwe without the ruling government allowing it. The same government who is backing the janjaweed murders who are killing non-muslims. jinjuku said: have to say this: I wasn't. I was basing my opinion on the fact that she was arrested, prosecuted, sentenced, and jailed for it in the first place. The 1000 idiots is just icing on the cake. All this under government sanction. Click to expand... But what about the children, whose idea this was and who voted to name the teddy bear mohammad. At least their parents should be disciplined, no? After all, the kids and their parents are Muslim. She isn't. jinjuku said: I can not wait till we dis-entangle ourselves from the middle-east primarily, and fundamental religious regimes second. If you are Muslim and in the U.S. great. If you don't want to participate and adjust to the way we do things over here, have respect, understanding, and tolerance of others and their culture you don't need to be here then. Click to expand... This I can agree with but, sorry to say, the West feel some sort of obligation to help those less fortunate than them. Africa depends mainly on donations for their survival. A lot comes from churches who, by nature, tend to try to help the needy. That most of their donations get stolen and wind up feeding the warlords is a conumdrum. http://76.12.0.56/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=197&Itemid=1[ It may be a little old but it's still an ongoing concern. This is going on all over Africa and the UN is powerless and so is the African Union.
M markw Audioholic Overlord Nov 26, 2003 11,607 0 113 Dec 3, 2007 #10 Alex2507 said: Let me guess, you are: 1. Anti Abortion Click to expand... Not when it's used for medical reasons or in the case of rape. If it's to kill a baby simply because the animals who conceived it were too lazy to use a contraceptive, well, give her the abortion but tie her tube while they are in there. OK, tie 'em the second time. Don't get me started on females who simply churn out babies on the state's dime. Tie dem tunes when they give birth, too. If you can afford to make 'em, you can afford to raise 'em. Alex2507 said: 2. Pro Death Penalty Click to expand... Only whenther is no doubt such as multiple witnesses. Otherwise, life without parole, and I mean without parole... ever. You know those libs... If future trechnology or evidence comes up to clear 'em, like DNA testing has done for other. then they go free. Alex2507 said: 3. Republican[/qupte]Not really. I vote for the best of the bunch. Problem is that lately there hasen't been too much of a choice so, in case of a tie, I vote against the incumbent unles they have done an exceptinal job. Alex2507 said: Not that there is anything wrong with that. Click to expand... I hear ya. I just sisn it wasthat simple Click to expand...
Alex2507 said: Let me guess, you are: 1. Anti Abortion Click to expand... Not when it's used for medical reasons or in the case of rape. If it's to kill a baby simply because the animals who conceived it were too lazy to use a contraceptive, well, give her the abortion but tie her tube while they are in there. OK, tie 'em the second time. Don't get me started on females who simply churn out babies on the state's dime. Tie dem tunes when they give birth, too. If you can afford to make 'em, you can afford to raise 'em. Alex2507 said: 2. Pro Death Penalty Click to expand... Only whenther is no doubt such as multiple witnesses. Otherwise, life without parole, and I mean without parole... ever. You know those libs... If future trechnology or evidence comes up to clear 'em, like DNA testing has done for other. then they go free. Alex2507 said: 3. Republican[/qupte]Not really. I vote for the best of the bunch. Problem is that lately there hasen't been too much of a choice so, in case of a tie, I vote against the incumbent unles they have done an exceptinal job. Alex2507 said: Not that there is anything wrong with that. Click to expand... I hear ya. I just sisn it wasthat simple Click to expand...
1 10010011 Senior Audioholic Dec 13, 2004 654 0 0 NW Washington Dec 3, 2007 #11 markw said: So, you really think that the religious right would institute such barbaric punishments if left to their own devices? Click to expand... Yes markw said: Do you check under your bed for monters nightly too? Click to expand... No, I am not afraid of monters. I bet you check under your bed for terrorists? markw said: Hey, you're the ones killing babies and setting murders free, not them. Click to expand... Speaking of terrorists, you're the ones who have bombed abortion clinics.
markw said: So, you really think that the religious right would institute such barbaric punishments if left to their own devices? Click to expand... Yes markw said: Do you check under your bed for monters nightly too? Click to expand... No, I am not afraid of monters. I bet you check under your bed for terrorists? markw said: Hey, you're the ones killing babies and setting murders free, not them. Click to expand... Speaking of terrorists, you're the ones who have bombed abortion clinics.
Alex2507 Audioholic Slumlord Dec 29, 2006 18,125 0 113 Nunya Bidness Dec 3, 2007 #12 jinjuku said: Tell that to David Koresh or any of the fundamentalists that have been expelled from the U.S. Click to expand... Stupidity is swiftly punished the whole world over. If you live in Jordan and feel compelled to get a little on the side you should move, right? They kill people for that. BTW I check under my bed for monsters and terrorists.
jinjuku said: Tell that to David Koresh or any of the fundamentalists that have been expelled from the U.S. Click to expand... Stupidity is swiftly punished the whole world over. If you live in Jordan and feel compelled to get a little on the side you should move, right? They kill people for that. BTW I check under my bed for monsters and terrorists.
M markw Audioholic Overlord Nov 26, 2003 11,607 0 113 Dec 3, 2007 #13 markw said: So, you really think that the religious right would institute such barbaric punishments if left to their own devices? Click to expand... 10010011 said: Yes Click to expand... Then you are as simple as your post implied. It's too bad you haven't learned a thing about this country, which is amazing since I think you live in it. 10010011 said: No, I am not afraid of monters. Click to expand... Actually, I'd consider anyone who killed their own baby a monster, wouldn't you? Well. I'm afraid of simple minded folks like you being in decision capacity. It's good that calmer minds prevail here, too 10010011 said: I bet you check under your bed for terrorists? Click to expand... Well, terrorists are real. Ever hear of 9/11? I don't have to check under the bed, thanks to the many efficient means of electronic surviellance that exists today. Praise the Lord for them. 10010011 said: Speaking of terrorists, you're the ones who have bombed abortion clinics. Click to expand... Me? Neither I not anyone I know have ever bombed an abortion clinic. honestly, how many did that? But, how many females do you know that had abortions simply to get rid of an inconvenient birth that was caused by their own stupidity or laziness? Anywhere near the number of babies that were killed? Or anywhere near the number that died in 9/11 even? I wouldn't worry too much if I were you. Since there's a naked chocolate Jesus on display in NYC without armed guards to protect it, I'd say you don't have too much to be afraid of and you're just crying in the wind.
markw said: So, you really think that the religious right would institute such barbaric punishments if left to their own devices? Click to expand... 10010011 said: Yes Click to expand... Then you are as simple as your post implied. It's too bad you haven't learned a thing about this country, which is amazing since I think you live in it. 10010011 said: No, I am not afraid of monters. Click to expand... Actually, I'd consider anyone who killed their own baby a monster, wouldn't you? Well. I'm afraid of simple minded folks like you being in decision capacity. It's good that calmer minds prevail here, too 10010011 said: I bet you check under your bed for terrorists? Click to expand... Well, terrorists are real. Ever hear of 9/11? I don't have to check under the bed, thanks to the many efficient means of electronic surviellance that exists today. Praise the Lord for them. 10010011 said: Speaking of terrorists, you're the ones who have bombed abortion clinics. Click to expand... Me? Neither I not anyone I know have ever bombed an abortion clinic. honestly, how many did that? But, how many females do you know that had abortions simply to get rid of an inconvenient birth that was caused by their own stupidity or laziness? Anywhere near the number of babies that were killed? Or anywhere near the number that died in 9/11 even? I wouldn't worry too much if I were you. Since there's a naked chocolate Jesus on display in NYC without armed guards to protect it, I'd say you don't have too much to be afraid of and you're just crying in the wind.
1 10010011 Senior Audioholic Dec 13, 2004 654 0 0 NW Washington Dec 3, 2007 #14 markw said: Me? Neither I not anyone I know have ever bombed an abortion clinic. honestly, how many did that? Click to expand... Well I have never nor has anyone I know killed a baby or set a murder free either, but that did not stop you from saying. markw said: Hey, you're the ones killing babies and setting murders free, not them. Click to expand... Hypocrisy
markw said: Me? Neither I not anyone I know have ever bombed an abortion clinic. honestly, how many did that? Click to expand... Well I have never nor has anyone I know killed a baby or set a murder free either, but that did not stop you from saying. markw said: Hey, you're the ones killing babies and setting murders free, not them. Click to expand... Hypocrisy
M markw Audioholic Overlord Nov 26, 2003 11,607 0 113 Dec 3, 2007 #15 10010011 said: Well I have never nor has anyone I know killed a baby or set a murder free either, but that did not stop you from saying. Click to expand... Then you've either led a very sheltered or very short life. Either that, or nobody ever trusted you enough to discuss it with you.
10010011 said: Well I have never nor has anyone I know killed a baby or set a murder free either, but that did not stop you from saying. Click to expand... Then you've either led a very sheltered or very short life. Either that, or nobody ever trusted you enough to discuss it with you.
1 10010011 Senior Audioholic Dec 13, 2004 654 0 0 NW Washington Dec 3, 2007 #16 markw said: Then you've either led a very sheltered or very short life. Either that, or nobody ever trusted you enough to discuss it with you. Click to expand... Maybe so, or it could be the fact that I never asked. Because it is none of my business if someone I know chose to have an abortion. (I take it that is what you meant by killing a baby)
markw said: Then you've either led a very sheltered or very short life. Either that, or nobody ever trusted you enough to discuss it with you. Click to expand... Maybe so, or it could be the fact that I never asked. Because it is none of my business if someone I know chose to have an abortion. (I take it that is what you meant by killing a baby)
mtrycrafts Seriously, I have no life. Aug 19, 2004 23,548 0 113 Dec 3, 2007 #17 markw said: ...to prevent ruling our lives and, hopefully, remove others from under it's thumb. . Click to expand... Yes, I agree with you. This shows us that it is certainly not a kind religion when it is a state that is behind it. But, that could apply to other religions, no? As to removing others from its grip, what do you propose we do? Take down each government that is established with this religion?
markw said: ...to prevent ruling our lives and, hopefully, remove others from under it's thumb. . Click to expand... Yes, I agree with you. This shows us that it is certainly not a kind religion when it is a state that is behind it. But, that could apply to other religions, no? As to removing others from its grip, what do you propose we do? Take down each government that is established with this religion?
M markw Audioholic Overlord Nov 26, 2003 11,607 0 113 Dec 3, 2007 #18 mtrycrafts said: Yes, I agree with you. This shows us that it is certainly not a kind religion when it is a state that is behind it. But, that could apply to other religions, no? Click to expand... No true "religion" mandates the cruelty that emanates from Sharia law. That's from the rulers, nobody else. The Old Testament has some rather cruel punishments suggested but, fortunately, better minds have seen to not implement these. Otherwise, imagine the hell hole Israel would be. mtrycrafts said: As to removing others from its grip, what do you propose we do? Take down each government that is established with this religion? Click to expand... We can't. Bush proved that in Iraq. Some people just aren't made to live free. The best we can do is to try to help the unwilling victims of the oppression which, so far, seems to be left to the UN, which has proven useless, or to the churches and various other aid groups that try to soften the blow to the oppressed with charity work.
mtrycrafts said: Yes, I agree with you. This shows us that it is certainly not a kind religion when it is a state that is behind it. But, that could apply to other religions, no? Click to expand... No true "religion" mandates the cruelty that emanates from Sharia law. That's from the rulers, nobody else. The Old Testament has some rather cruel punishments suggested but, fortunately, better minds have seen to not implement these. Otherwise, imagine the hell hole Israel would be. mtrycrafts said: As to removing others from its grip, what do you propose we do? Take down each government that is established with this religion? Click to expand... We can't. Bush proved that in Iraq. Some people just aren't made to live free. The best we can do is to try to help the unwilling victims of the oppression which, so far, seems to be left to the UN, which has proven useless, or to the churches and various other aid groups that try to soften the blow to the oppressed with charity work.
mtrycrafts Seriously, I have no life. Aug 19, 2004 23,548 0 113 Dec 3, 2007 #19 markw said: No true "religion" mandates the cruelty that emanates from Sharia law. That's from the rulers, nobody else. The Old Testament has some rather cruel punishments suggested but, fortunately, better minds have seen to not implement these. Otherwise, imagine the hell hole Israel would be. Click to expand... Yes, might makes right over there. A matter if interpretation of anything, including when life begins. All relative, isn't it. Perhaps the jewish history is free of such barbarism, I don't know; or, they have just evolved away from it, except for some of their fundamentalists perhaps? markw said: We can't. Bush proved that in Iraq. Some people just aren't made to live free. Click to expand... Yes, he did and at what cost. Hope this experiment will not be forgotten for a long while. markw said: The best we can do is to try to help the unwilling victims of the oppression which, so far, seems to be left to the UN, which has proven useless, or to the churches and various other aid groups that try to soften the blow to the oppressed with charity work. Click to expand... Well, yes, the UN One only has to see the makeup of its members, numbers game. Helping the victims is about all we can do.
markw said: No true "religion" mandates the cruelty that emanates from Sharia law. That's from the rulers, nobody else. The Old Testament has some rather cruel punishments suggested but, fortunately, better minds have seen to not implement these. Otherwise, imagine the hell hole Israel would be. Click to expand... Yes, might makes right over there. A matter if interpretation of anything, including when life begins. All relative, isn't it. Perhaps the jewish history is free of such barbarism, I don't know; or, they have just evolved away from it, except for some of their fundamentalists perhaps? markw said: We can't. Bush proved that in Iraq. Some people just aren't made to live free. Click to expand... Yes, he did and at what cost. Hope this experiment will not be forgotten for a long while. markw said: The best we can do is to try to help the unwilling victims of the oppression which, so far, seems to be left to the UN, which has proven useless, or to the churches and various other aid groups that try to soften the blow to the oppressed with charity work. Click to expand... Well, yes, the UN One only has to see the makeup of its members, numbers game. Helping the victims is about all we can do.
