bose

[adwilk]

I have 10 Callaway clubs and 6 MOEN faucets but I dont undrerstand your point...

Callaway is THE bose of the club industry. BS technology that hasnt changed for years and years. Things like S2H2, 360 degree vertical undercut cavity, RCH, the list goes on and on and they all do virtually nothing but they are still regarded as the end all club. Callaway has some good products, they do... But ask an amateur or somebody who knows little about the game. They just assume that callaway is the best, having not heard of a vast percentage of other offerings available, much like bose in the audio world. Lets not confuse this with brand value though. They are marketing giants with little substance to offer the end user. Moen was just another example... a mostly plastic parts valve very inexpensive to make, little value to customer, huge price.

There are certain companies who have extreme amounts of perceived value... i was simply giving examples...

 

[no. 5]

This BOSE argument intrigues me... I've read probably hundreds of posts concerning the topic and I'm still fascinated. Will somebody please concede that there must be some audible qualities to these lacking setups. I went to best buy today just to have another listen. Music really does suck. Granted.. I was however "surprised" by movie reproduction. Well, reproduction is a stretch, but I was honestly amazed by the movement and dynamics the speakers created... Again, Granted the sound wasnt very good, but it did create some wow factor other "bargain" systems had a hard time replicating. Those bargain systems did produce a fuller, more lifelike sound, but didnt have the Movement around the room. (This due mostly to lack of midrange, the extreme amount of high freq sounds really catch your attention from different areas of the room)

I'll take a stab at it.

Bose makes speakers that sound good, not speakers the are good. They make speakers that create a wow factor, they know that people will not take the time to properly listen to speakers before they buy, they also know that most people have no clue as to what to listen for when auditioning a speaker*, so they make speakers that are to audio what Torch Mode is to televisions; flashy and ear catching, but completely inaccurate and fatiguing.

Truly good speakers will not impose there own sound, unlike Bose speakers, which rely on a hideous frequency response curve to get noticed.

If you were to compare two identical speakers, if they were not level matched, you brain would conclude the louder one is better. Now, Bose has no way to have that level of control when people audition their speakers, but they do have control over the relative level of different frequency bands, so a well located boost in bass and treble will make their speakers sound "good".

But fortunately, anyone that is trained to be slightly picky about sound quality (to paraphrase Floyd Toole) will prefer a flattish frequency response.





* which is sad, because everyone knows what good sound sounds like, because we have been hearing live, real sound from the moment we were born (well, before that actually).

 

[flamingeye]

Any body with ears knows bose blows

 

[ParadigmDawg]

Callaway is THE bose of the club industry. BS technology that hasnt changed for years and years. Things like S2H2, 360 degree vertical undercut cavity, RCH, the list goes on and on and they all do virtually nothing but they are still regarded as the end all club. Callaway has some good products, they do... But ask an amateur or somebody who knows little about the game. They just assume that callaway is the best, having not heard of a vast percentage of other offerings available, much like bose in the audio world. Lets not confuse this with brand value though. They are marketing giants with little substance to offer the end user. Moen was just another example... a mostly plastic parts valve very inexpensive to make, little value to customer, huge price.

There are certain companies who have extreme amounts of perceived value... i was simply giving examples...

I still dont like the comparison. I hit my Calaways pretty well and my MOENS seem to give me water when I want water but turn off when I dont want water. However; Bose just sucks...

 

[flamingeye]

Well the way I see it people want great sound in a little package something unintrusiv & the way bose puts it u had to fill a room with audio gear to get great sound but not any more with bose u get great sound in a small system & to the uneducated it sounds perfect just what they where looking for & for only 1K,but you know what they say if it sounds to good to be true it probably is,1K aint bad if it can do what it says sound like a million & a lot of people buy in to that

 

[GTHill]

There is no replacement for displacement.


Gene

 

[ParadigmDawg]

There is no replacement for displacement.


Gene

Which is exactly why my hotrod has a 598 cubic inch motor...

 

[Seth=L]

Well the way I see it people want great sound in a little package something unintrusiv & the way bose puts it u had to fill a room with audio gear to get great sound but not any more with bose u get great sound in a small system & to the uneducated it sounds perfect just what they where looking for & for only 1K,but you know what they say if it sounds to good to be true it probably is,1K aint bad if it can do what it says sound like a million & a lot of people buy in to that

But, Bose sucks.

 

[no. 5]

But, Bose sucks.

Exactly.

You don't need to spend $1,000 to get better sound than Bose, and you certainly don't need to fill a room with audio gear to get good sound.

 

[flamingeye]

Exactly.

You don't need to spend $1,000 to get better sound than Bose, and you certainly don't need to fill a room with audio gear to get good sound.

I agree thats just what bose boasts about in there ads & the uneducated buy in to it thats all I`m saying O & a nether thing they boast audio perfection there words not mine

 

[leetamm]

Doubtless there are people who prefer convenience and a small footprint to sound quality, but I still think the core issue here is that most people simply aren't aware of what true hi-fi audio is, or that there is a whole world of it out there beyond Bose. The reason for this I think is mainly two-fold:

1. The fact that Bose markets itself all over the place as the last word in hi-fi audio.

2. The fact that most real hi-fi manufacturers have somehow confined themselves to a tiny niche market of wealthy people who happen to be aware of the hi-end world.

I have been a music lover my whole life, and have always been interested in good sound, but up until a couple of years or so ago, I too just assumed that Bose was the name of the game in hi-fi, simply because they were all I had ever heard about.

That was until I became friends with an audiophile at work. The Sony mini-system I had used for several years had finally bit the dust and I mentioned to this guy that I was in the market for a new stereo and asked if he could make any recommendations. He said he had some speakers I might like and invited me over to hear them.

To make a long story short: that was the day I was led into the secret garden of true hi-fi, and it has changed my life. I ended up buying those speakers, which are now my rear speakers (see my sig) and have managed to piece together a very satisfying system on a tight budget by buying used, demo, open box, and refurbished components.

But anyway, to get back to my main point: the hi-end audio world has got to do a better job IMO of making the average joe aware of what true hi-fi audio is, and that Bose isn't it.

 

[yettitheman]

But anyway, to get back to my main point: the hi-end audio world has got to do a better job IMO of making the average joe aware of what true hi-fi audio is, and that Bose isn't it.

Sig worthy material right there

 

[JackVa1]

Nutty Bose Haters

You guys are nuts. My rear surrounds powered by my ONKYO are Bose and they do a great job of producing Whistles of passing trains, Bullets whizing by (Saving Private Ryan) and all the other background noise that comes from my Movies. What the heck are we asking these things to do?

My front cubes are not a new 321 system, but a 5 year old Bose system consisting of two cubes and this mid-range thing that sits behind the tv. I forget what it was called - They sound terriffic. We're watching movies , not chamber music ! These cubes were a company award back in 2001 and I am glad to have them.

When I turn them up and set my ONKYO to stereo , I can fill a room with qaulity sound. My Veladyne ct-150 helps these with lows, but I have no complaint with BOSE for surround sound.

I have no experience with these packaged 321 systems or salesman. All I know is I have surround in my family room and it is great.

By the way, is this like "Ringo sucked as a drummer". Cause he did a great job with the material the Beatles played.

Oh yeah , my wife loves the tiny cubes cause they are cute so shoot me.

 

[caupina]

I just can't believe how much time Bose haters invest talking about Bose This reminds me of the movie "Private Parts", about Howard Stern, when people who despised his show so much were glued to the radio wondering what he was going to say next.

 

[no. 5]

You guys are nuts. My rear surrounds powered by my ONKYO are Bose and they do a great job of producing Whistles of passing trains, Bullets whizing by (Saving Private Ryan) and all the other background noise that comes from my Movies. What the heck are we asking these things to do?

Reproduce sound without excessively coloring it. That's all.

The technology and know how exists to determine exactly what good sound reproduction is, Bose is measurably and audibly inferior in this regard, but the point is to enjoy the hobby.

To illustrate, my friend owns a Buick. I like driving, and I do not enjoy driving his car, because the control inputs are slow and imprecise. He loves his car, and I do not expect him to change his mind about it, because he is not interested in driving the way I am. And yet anytime I ride in or drive his car I have a good time, because I am spending time with a friend.
Getting back to audio, I greatly enjoy learning about sound and sound reproduction, and because of that I know I would be very unhappy owning Bose, and yet, I happily watch movies with friends that have Bose systems, because I enjoy spending the time with friends.

You like your Bose system? Great! But I wouldn't call my Buick loving friend nuts just because he looks for something deferent in a car than I do.

Oh, if you like cute and little, look into Morel, they sound better, and IMO are cuter.

 

[gus6464]

Reproduce sound without excessively coloring it. That's all.

The technology and know how exists to determine exactly what good sound reproduction is, Bose is measurably and audibly inferior in this regard, but the point is to enjoy the hobby.

To illustrate, my friend owns a Buick. I like driving, and I do not enjoy driving his car, because the control inputs are slow and imprecise. He loves his car, and I do not expect him to change his mind about it, because he is not interested in driving the way I am. And yet anytime I ride in or drive his car I have a good time, because I am spending time with a friend.
Getting back to audio, I greatly enjoy learning about sound and sound reproduction, and because of that I know I would be very unhappy owning Bose, and yet, I happily watch movies with friends that have Bose systems, because I enjoy spending the time with friends.

You like your Bose system? Great! But I wouldn't call my Buick loving friend nuts just because he looks for something deferent in a car than I do.

Oh, if you like cute and little, look into Morel, they sound better, and IMO are cuter.

Don't all speakers color the sound one way or another though? I mean it's why we have so many to choose from.

I just dislike Bose for their deceptive marketing. My father in law has one of those cinemate things with the two sats and the bass module and at very low volumes they sound ok. But crank them up and it's distortion city. What's deceptive is when you go into a bose store or hear a demo they never distort when cranking them up.

 

[stratman]

Or Gallo, they sound great, are reasonably priced and look much better than the BOSE product.

 

[stratman]

I just can't believe how much time Bose haters invest talking about Bose This reminds me of the movie "Private Parts", about Howard Stern, when people who despised his show so much were glued to the radio wondering what he was going to say next.

Well at least Howard didn't pass himself as something he wasn't, which is the point of contention with "BOSE HATERS," if Bose would come clean, advertise the truth and publish specs I'm sure you'll see a sharp decline in Bose bashing. Bose is very deceptive.

 

[caupina]

Deceptive???? Why????. Come on man, we've been through this before. If you really believe everything you read in the ads, then you're just too naive or plain dumb (no offense, really). I haven't seen or heard of any customer being forced into a Bose store and buy something from them "or else". Do you really believe the brainwashing on Bose's part??? Do you really think that Bose is going to say...."we sell overpriced audio equipment...if you buy from us, we'll let you know of the better options out there...sucker!!!!" They even have a 30-day guarantee option, no questions asked, if you don't like it, just bring it back, we'll refund your money....how bad is that...plain evil, right???. I don't think for a minute that Bose is the best there is, but it's not the worse either (not in my personal experience). My point was if most of the audiophiles in this forum hate so much Bose, why spend time talking about it????? What's the point???? Really...I just don't get it ( I'm too naive or just plain dumb)

 

[Seth=L]

Deceptive???? Why????. Come on man, we've been through this before. If you really believe everything you read in the ads, then you're just too naive or plain dumb (no offense, really). I haven't seen or heard of any customer being forced into a Bose store and buy something from them "or else". Do you really believe the brainwashing on Bose's part??? Do you really think that Bose is going to say...."we sell overpriced audio equipment...if you buy from us, we'll let you know of the better options out there...sucker!!!!" They even have a 30-day guarantee option, no questions asked, if you don't like it, just bring it back, we'll refund your money....how bad is that...plain evil, right???. I don't think for a minute that Bose is the best there is, but it's not the worse either (not in my personal experience). My point was if most of the audiophiles in this forum hate so much Bose, why spend time talking about it????? What's the point???? Really...I just don't get it ( I'm too naive or just plain dumb)

Most companies don't make crafty claims like "The most recognized name in audio" and "the Bose wave radio sounds like full size systems costing more than the wave radio". They are more deceptive than most.

We like talking about it because it is a hot topic. My hope is always that someone will come here and see these countless threads of Bose "dissecting" and will unlearn the the Bose nonsense, and the Monster Cable nonsense. Look up into the left hand corner where it says Audioholics, and then read what is just below that, I rest my case.