I cannot and will not speak for MDS; he is quite capable.
No, we want evidence, since you made some testable claims about amps in particular, that YOU can hear audible differences between properly designed amps and that is how you came to your conclusions about audible differences. If you don't have such evidence, why shouldn't your testimony be just another anecdote with dubious merit?
HI MTRY! Man you are becoming my favorite buddy in this forum. I went out with the wife yesterday and I see I missed a lot of fun in this...
What evidence do you want if we are talking about perception? Say that you can hear up to 20K and me only up to 15K. How can you prove to me that the extra 4K in upper frequency exists if I do not want to believe you? Even if you show me an EEG I could dispute your findings if there is a total luck of faith. I guess the only way to show soem differences between the amps I have mentioned (plinius, threshold, Musical fidelity, my classe ssp75 and sunfire cinema grand combo or my Teac mini components receiver) would be for us to get together and listen...No graph could ever really tell the whole story.
I doubt he/others are missing any points. But I see you certainly are. You have no evidence, except biased perceptions, that well measured components can sound like 'crap.' You have not researched much it seems, in audio land. Don't feel badly, no one is immune.
So I missed the point eh? And you think I have not research much in the audio land? Good for you MTRY I guess now you sound like a true scientist! You do not even know my name but know my life's story already...
But you have offered no evidence that you can or able to hear differences under bias controlled protocols. What is one to think, that you are exempt or immune from bias? Such a person has not been found yet. And yes, the brain does look for differences, even when the same component is presented twice, it will find a difference. Again, there is more for you to look into it seems.
Again what evidecne to offer? I am talking about HEARING! The onlvy evidence would be for YOU to hear also...and hoping that your hearing is in good codnition and your mind OPEN to the results we might agree on something.
ONE thing we agree though is this: No one is immune to bias... Still I heard what I heard buddy and no test I know would actually tell the story of what i heard. The amps in questions are prime examples of engineering, they are all measuring great have similar frequency responses but still sounded different! This happens in sepaker-land all the time. So many great designs of speaker but no two ever seem to sound the same...
And why are we drifting into pianos and violins??? A diversion tactic?
But, I am glad at least you brought up the Strad
There was a research into it and no, the varnish didn't help
Yet, another urban legend with insufficient data. But, let me help you out here:
Do not be so suspisious MTRY. No diversion tactics here. An Urban legend? Are you so sure about this one too? Totally different than what I heard friend so it comes down to you word against mine? The varnish was actually the LAST variable that the people that were trying to duplicate a Strad had the hardest time to duplicate. Their violin was identical to a Strad but still sounded different...
http://agnews.tamu.edu/dailynews/stories/BICH/Sep2203a.htm
What you believe or not is you affair. Trying to pass something on as facts, be careful.
My buddy you are really something indeed! What I believe is pretty much what I am don't you think so? What about your persistent point of view? It is what you believe too ins't it? You keep trying to perusade me that whatt I heard does not represent the truth... are you so sure that what you perceive is not at fault also? You are trying to hide behind some numbers that as i said may or may not be able to show the truth of how we perceive the sound of a component. I do not oppose measurments but I have had enough of decisions made (in my youth!!!) about buying a component based on pure numerbs and silly claims to know that i goofed more often than not back then! I believ a balanced assessement based on measurements BUT also on listening should be the basis of a decision about any component in our hobby.
And, you think you are exempt or immune from audio BS, imaginations and flawed or unreliable perceptions? Please. You have dealt your hand pretty well and have nothing in that hand but what other 'golden ears' tend to procla
Golden ears? Hahahaha no buddy mine are fleshy looking and only made of some skin and cartilage. The golden ear thing is all YOURS! Audio BS? I am choking in it and for some reason I keep enjoying the discussion. You want to believe that all components sound the same? All the power to you! In this way you will save a lot of money and live in your dream land. I told you that I also have other equimpent home and at times (say, in between equipment upgrades) I had to use my TEAC as a preamp or my Sunfire as the main amp and the sound of my main stero went downhill. Even my 14 year old daughter could hear the difference listening to the HIFI of her Ipod most of the time but I guess she is also biased isn't she?
Yes, you can. But, you are not immune nor exempt from the the flaws of perceptions and human nature. And, yes, the brain's ability to fool your senses inputs and fabricate what was not there. Yes, I see that steel pipe being bent in a 5 gal bucket of water too.
No I am not immune and this is why I love to experiment! and measure but most of all LISTEN!
No matter how much it may be misleading you?
Why do you doubt you own senses so much? If you are drinking a good wine aren't you relying on you taste buds? If you are at teh Louvre looking at the Mona Lisa don't you trust your eye sight? When you caress the hair of your kid aren't you relying on your sense of touch? Or when you smell coffee int he morning your sense of smell? What the heck is so wrong in trusting your hearing a little?
Oh, now you are talking about a preference, right? But then, even food taste and differences can be judged under bias controlled conditions, as is also done with wine, to take human bias out of the equation and arrive at reliable answers. Better believe it how much it is used.
Preference? WHY can you not stick to the point? I am NOT talking about preference and you know it! I ma talking about you telling me how this recipe tastes:
500 gr. of flour, i tsp of salt, some butter, 2 cups of water, 1/2 a cup of cron flour...etc.... CAN YOU PLEASE TELL ME? Or should you better wait for the bread to be baked and then taste it? I know that this example is an extreme but I am just trying to make a point that you seem to try to dodge off any which way you can... I guess words are cheap and we could go own forever...NO?
I see, now you have demonstrated having a closed mind. Rather telling, isn't it? Well designed doesn't mean operation outside of design limits, not having high output impedance, or low input impedance not nonlinear frequency response, etc.
Clsoed mind? NO I believ you have aclosed mind. You have made up your mind that all components sound the same and you will not give your self a chance to MAYBE hear otherwise. I am willing to try everything and see what the result will be...Who is really the closed mind here?
So far, you have not shown any evidence that you can. You make lots of claims to this but evidence is rather non existent.
