Audioholics, weigh in.

[MDS]

You're right in that I'm not sure what your point of view is. Seems to me it's simply that you have biking skills, you've taken classes in biking and driving...and therefore, you don't need basic safety equipment.

Are you somehow arguing that driver's ed has taught you that you don't need to wear a seatbelt?

 

[Sheep]

You're right in that I'm not sure what your point of view is. Seems to me it's simply that you have biking skills, you've taken classes in biking and driving...and therefore, you don't need basic safety equipment.

Are you somehow arguing that driver's ed has taught you that you don't need to wear a seatbelt?

No, I'm arguing that bikes don't have the destructive force that a car has, and a car functioning properly, with a competent driver would never strike a biker. Thusly, only a biker would need protective gear when performing a stunt.

I was riding to work, I was in no rush, because I was going to work. I'm being ticketed for something that is not registered nor licensed. Something that falls into the motor vehicle's act, that doesn't even have a motor.

SheepStar

 

[Davemcc]

There isn't really a way to explain this, as you clearly aren't willing to see it from my point of view.

Perhaps there's a good reason for that and you should be more open to what people are telling you.

I don't much agree with helmet or seatbelt laws, but I am very much in favor of their use. But since there is a law with a set fine, you must either follow the law or pay the fine when caught. The p***tical rationale for the law is quite relevant, since it is the p***ticians that you and your neighbors elect that compel your obedience on this issue. You do have to consider carefully who you elect if you want to retain your simple freedoms, like riding a bike without a helmet. If you want to ignore the p***tics, just pay the $30 and remain in your state of bliss.

 

[Sheep]

Perhaps there's a good reason for that and you should be more open to what people are telling you.

I don't much agree with helmet or seatbelt laws, but I am very much in favor of their use. But since there is a law with a set fine, you must either follow the law or pay the fine when caught. The p***tical rationale for the law is quite relevant, since it is the p***ticians that you and your neighbors elect that compel your obedience on this issue. You do have to consider carefully who you elect if you want to retain your simple freedoms, like riding a bike without a helmet. If you want to ignore the p***tics, just pay the $30 and remain in your state of bliss.

I'm glad you brought that up. Just who exactly voted in favor for the law? I wasn't given a choice. I bet more then half the people voting on that law don't even ride a bike. They just watch the news every night, and see how people die from being struck by a 2 tonne car and say to themselves "He would have lived if he had a helmet". Yeah, right. Maybe if the driver of the car was paying attention, and the biker was paying attention, there never would have been a crash to begin with. Thusly, ride and drive at your own risk.

Not everyone is an expert at what they're doing. Do you think every driver out there is perfect? No. Same goes for bikers, and yet a crappy bikers actions are made out to be the actions of every biker. It sure isn't like that with cars. And how is a biker any different from a pedestrian, or an animal?

Take away the cause of the crash, no one gets hurt. Wrap up everyone in padding, you still have a chance on getting injured.

SheepStar

Edit: Why is politician being bleeped?

 

[zumbo]

I got a ticket for riding my dirt bike on the levee. The idea is to protect the levee from erosion. The as, I mean cops, were on three separate four wheelers.

Ticket was $139.00

 

[OttoMatic]

The bottom line is that the laws don't matter, and you can't control them. I don't necessarily agree with them, but give up, pay your fine and do something you enjoy. I've spent years of my life complaining about anything and everything. It's just not worth it. Consider "looking at the other side" or "playing Devil's advocate" to understand what's happening to you.

I know people - experienced riders - who have been in serious accidents. These cases are a culmination of a series of events that cannot always be prevented by one party. Please don't think you are smarter or better than these people, lest you end up on the street yourself!

Forget the laws and the cops. Regardless of how hot a biker you think you are, you should wear a helmet for your own safety!

 

[Sheep]

I got a ticket for riding my dirt bike on the levee. The idea is to protect the levee from erosion. The as, I mean cops, were on three separate four wheelers.

Ticket was $139.00

Haha! Rediculous. The biker cops were blocking the sidewalk. I was almost late for work because of them, I didn't have enough time to ride back, so I had to drive. Poor climate...

SheepStar

 

[Sheep]

The bottom line is that the laws don't matter, and you can't control them. I don't necessarily agree with them, but give up, pay your fine and do something you enjoy. I've spent years of my life complaining about anything and everything. It's just not worth it. Consider "looking at the other side" or "playing Devil's advocate" to understand what's happening to you.

I know people - experienced riders - who have been in serious accidents. These cases are a culmination of a series of events that cannot always be prevented by one party. Please don't think you are smarter or better than these people, lest you end up on the street yourself!

Forget the laws and the cops. Regardless of how hot a biker you think you are, you should wear a helmet for your own safety!

That should be my choice, and definitely something that can't be ticketed.

How did you friends get into accidents? Were they riding down a sidewalk?

SheepStar

 

[eljr]

The law is the law. Obey them or change them don't just apply the one's you like and dismiss the one's you don't.

 

[Sheep]

The law is the law. Obey them or change them don't just apply the one's you like and dismiss the one's you don't.

If it only affects me, how is it going to make a difference? Whether I wear a helmet or not, nothing changes except my hair

SheepStar

 

[Davemcc]

Edit: Why is politician being bleeped?

You didn't want to talk politics in your thread, so I self-edited, but politics are intimately connected to the discussion. Your argument, that the law was created and enforced by people that don't ride, can be applied across the board, almost universally, to many of the hottest political issues of the day, including abortion, gay marriage, drugs, prostitution, gambling, smoking, etc. Politics has long ago achieved the few laws that are necessary to live in a civil society and now consists primarily of banning or compelling individual's actions.

 

[OttoMatic]

How did you friends get into accidents? Were they riding down a sidewalk?

In one case, two bikes crashed into each other. Both very experienced riders trying to do the right thing. In two cases, I believe, they were hit by cars. Both experienced riders. In another case, a very experienced motorcyclist was hit by an old lady. He saw her, thought he was good, and she moved after the fact. Nothing else he could do.

Wear a helmet if you want, or don't if you don't. But don't think you're immune to an accident because you've been riding for eight years, or because you took a class or because you're paying attention most of the time...

 

[stratman]

You want tons of reasons to wear helmets, come down to my neck of the woods. Most of my buddies that are hard core riders (and were anti helmet, all but one wears them), I've had friends hit by opening car doors, people not stopping correctly at intersections, lost tourists, local population that can't tell difference between car and hay cart (and they drive their cars like hay carts), so down here helmets are required, you take your life into your own hands when you step onto a Miami street, btw, cops down here aren't really into enforcing bike helmet laws.

 

[Johnd]

If any of you have not yet noticed...you are not going to change Sheep's mind. You will not persuade him.

The first rule of argumentation is to have a strong logical argument. The second rule is to realize a better argument when it smacks you in the face. Some are incapable or unwilling of such realization or change.

There are plenty of places you can ride Sheep without a helmet...just not where you have chosen to live. Quit whining and obey the laws...or pay the price. And then suck up and take it like a man because it was your choice to disobey in the first place...

As I have already responded...you know my point of view. I've been riding motorcycles (and bicycles) longer than you've been alive. So on the one hand I appreciate your sense of an unbridled ride. I like the feel of the wind in my hair, and the additional awareness and freedom that the lack of a helmet grants one. But I also observe the laws, and am willing to pay the penalty without snivelling when so disobeyed.

On a side note:
Much like the chicken, the rooster and the hen, there is the sheep, the ram and the ewe. I know that the ram has sex with the ewe, but who in the hell has sex with the sheep?

The last paragraph was meant purely as a sideline to this go nowhere thread (as it now seems evident that there are two sides of the fence, and neither side is willing to cross over) with a jest, a joke. If Sheep wants to stick to his ideals, allow him to. I just hope he has a fat wallet (unless he relocates).

 

[zumbo]

There are plenty of places you can ride Sheep without a helmet...

ROTFLMAO!

http://www.buckinhorseranches.com/images/2004 learning to ride sheep.jpg

http://www.buckinhorseranches.com/images/2004 riding in style crash1.jpg

 

[stratman]

There are plenty of places you can ride Sheep without a helmet...


Yes, but there are many places where it would land you in jail and get you on PETA's most wanted list.

Or another way of looking at it: better to ride a sheep than Rosie O'Donell, at least the sheep is more attractive.

 

[Johnd]

ROTFLMAO!

http://www.buckinhorseranches.com/images/2004 riding in style crash1.jpg

It's a good thing that the boy on the sheep was wearing a helmet when he crashed.

A bit of garbling of words, but they the message remains the same (sheep, helmet, crash). Good link Zumbo.

 

[Johnd]

Or another way of looking at it: better to ride a sheep than Rosie O'Donell, at least the sheep is more attractive.

I would never look at it that way. Sick...just sick I tell you. Just when I was coming around Neanderthal. You really have to get out of that cave more often.

 

[stratman]

I would never look at it that way. Sick...just sick I tell you. Just when I was coming around Neanderthal. You really have to get out of that cave more often.

You can get the caveman out of the cave but, you can't get the cave out of the caveman

 

[Johnd]

You didn't want to talk politics in your thread, so I self-edited

Your not so subtle message was easily received by me Davemcc...worry not. Such a serious explanation kinda sucks all the fun right out of it. The humor was not lost (if one followed the thread).