Center channel expertise required

ParadigmDawg

ParadigmDawg

Audioholic Overlord
I love me some Rockets...lol

Great stuff you purchased; Congrats and have fun!
 
mazersteven

mazersteven

Audioholic Warlord
Here's a photo. Turns out they are the ebony, not rosewood. Pretty!
Simply Beautiful. :D:D:D

I should have purchased them when I had the link. :eek: LOL

Keep the pictures coming as you get them all set up. That way we can help you tweak their placement
 
velcrometer

velcrometer

Junior Audioholic
You need to do this the right way and not the wrong which is what you’re doing and its what I have learned though listening not only to dialogue as this can be played back in many forms of loudness from soft whispery sounds like when, “Neil McCauley” in (Heat 1995) is talking softly to “Trejo” the sound is so realistic you have to lean forwards to grasp what is being said, this was the case even on the professional JBL 4675-A loudspeakers at the ABC screen #1 when I first saw Heat in Dolby stereo type SR, only they where using type A cards for the NR in the Dolby CP-200.

Now in the home its the same thing it must have a realistic sounding approach from the softest whisper to loud undistorted sounds!

Now here’s one way to tackle this, buy a Behringer DCX2496 and matching amplifiers and more importantly matching loudspeakers.

Set the levels so that the left and right have equally the same sound pressure and frequency response, then test the centre channel out on its own of course, note the differences in the SPL db level and then set the main levels to match the centre channel level in (sound pressure level). This takes hours to do right but its rewards are well worth it will less loudness on the left and right and with the centre channel delayed only and phased checked as well to make sure its in-phase when all three matching LCR have equal amounts of bass, like in the opening of Titanic.

Not only will this make centre channel dialogue easy to follow but it will also make the music sound better as well with Dolby films especially on the end credits of Star Wars Episode 3 Revenge of Sith, even the smallest high note sound can be heard in the centre channel along with the rest of the competition on the left and right with high string violins and violas as well as in the centre channel mix.

Most of what the manufactures are telling us is not all true its only half and if you what to do this right you have to shell out a bit of dosh, I don’t mean it should cost a few grand for one product that is silly! I’ve only spent less than £500.00 in the last few months and the improvement is tenfold better than what it was originally, now then.

I understand the placement for loudspeakers, but if there is one word I don’t what to hear, and that’s the word impossible.

I tell you why most of you’re are getting this wrong! It’s the size of the silly TV monitor VS the costly home cinema loudspeakers and AVR and the rest. You have to plan it out with either a video projector if you really what to show off, or don’t moan about this because as far as I’m conceded I’ve heard this all before, which is why cinemas are far better sounding than most of our home cinemas.

Lastly its research stop looking at all the junk yard home cinema sites, the only thing you’d need from them is an affordable AVR with Dolby-EX dts-ES and few other trimmings to accommodate the silly HD-DVD Blu-Ray format war!

The rest go to a PA store and get the best at the best price use large 18” sub bass cinema types that are so well up to the task, get large 12” to 15” bass mid driver cabs for LCR and HF horns and use active crossover!

Use 1/3 octave EQ 31 bands for each of the LCR and surrounds.

Use larger speakers for the surrounds in that large room of yours I mean most small cinemas are that size here in the United Kingdom, and they all use JBL professional not some junk yard rich mans home cinema equipment.

If you what the best its not far away from I’d bet you 10p there’s PA store down the road from, or look around the Internet, I grantee with less than a week you’d find some products that would but huge smile on that face that will stretch from one side of the state to the other.:)
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! Jolly good! You Brits are so funny! Dry humor, but funny.

Regarding the DCX2496, The ad sheet says,"Installation contractors, live-sound engineers, cinemas/discotheques/concert hall operators will quickly learn to love this model's rich features." Did you think I was one of them? I didn't even know what crossover was until 2 days ago!

While I appreciate your gracious intention of helping me get the best out of what I'm looking for, your understanding of this topic & subsequent advice is simply way over my head. If I was shopping for a car, I would tell you I was capable of driving a car, not building one. Thanks/Cheers. ;-)
 
Adam

Adam

Audioholic Jedi
Here's a photo. Turns out they are the ebony, not rosewood. Pretty!
Congratulations! Those are gorgeous, and I imagine that they sound just as great. I wasn't keeping up with this thread, came back today, and saw this fantastic photo. Excellent!
 
Adam

Adam

Audioholic Jedi
Oh, and I should add, I'm jealous!!! I paid $1650 for my four bookshelf and center channel speakers (nine years ago), and yours probably blow them away! Great buy, just great.
 
D

Dolby CP-200

Banned
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! Jolly good! You Brits are so funny! Dry humor, but funny.

Regarding the DCX2496, The ad sheet says,"Installation contractors, live-sound engineers, cinemas/discotheques/concert hall operators will quickly learn to love this model's rich features." Did you think I was one of them? I didn't even know what crossover was until 2 days ago!

While I appreciate your gracious intention of helping me get the best out of what I'm looking for, your understanding of this topic & subsequent advice is simply way over my head. If I was shopping for a car, I would tell you I was capable of driving a car, not building one. Thanks/Cheers. ;-)


Shaken but not stirred.;)
 
velcrometer

velcrometer

Junior Audioholic
One down, two to go!

Here's a photo. Turns out they are the ebony, not rosewood. Pretty!
Center channel - done
Speakers - done

Again, I can't thank you boys enough! I never would have ended up with these beautiful Rockets had it not been for you! I would have been one of the many HTIB buyers wondering why my hubby still couldn't hear the dialogue! LOL

I am on to get a subwoofer. I've now increased the budget from $300 to about $500 since I got such a deal on the Rockets. Maybe $500 isn't enough?

Obviously, I'll wait 'til after the sub choice to see if you think the great receiver recommendations you gave me are still valid (Yamaha 659 or 661).

I've had a subwoofer thread going here since I started:
http://forums.audioholics.com/forums/showthread.php?p=280461#post280461

Thanks for all your caring support, join me on the other thread if you like, I'd love to have you there. Velcrometer ;-)
 
velcrometer

velcrometer

Junior Audioholic
Update - 6 mo. later

Ok, so it's 6 months later. You guys were all so great helping me, I feel bad I couldn't get the rest of my stuff until now! I wanted to get it all hooked up right away & send you pictures! I will as soon as it's connected. Anyway, here's the update on my final HT purchases:

These you know about:
Speakers - AV123 Onix Rocket RS550 Mark II (2 fronts & 2 rears all the same)
Center Channel - AV123 Onix Rocket RSC 200
HDTV - Mitsubishi DLP WD 62725 (already had it)

These are new:
HD DVD - Toshiba A3
AV Receiver - Onkyo TX-SR705
Subwoofer - Hsu VTF-3 MK3

PureAV Home Theater Power Console - don't know which one yet...

I've asked for connection confirmation in the "Setup" section:
http://forums.audioholics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=38630

I'm so excited!

Again, I want to thank these members for the incredible help you've given me. Thanks guys, Hubby & I are going to be in HT heaven thanks to you!

mazersteven
adam
Leprkon
ChrisJam
davidwotrees
jcPanny
no. 5

To think I was looking at HTIB! HA!
 
Geno

Geno

Senior Audioholic
My wife has a mild hearing loss, and has difficulty understanding TV/Movie dialog even with a pretty good center channel speaker. I got her a thing called "TV Ears" at Costco for about $80. It's a small wireless headset with a transmitter that plugs into your audio source. The wearer can adjust the volume to their preference. It made a night & day difference to her. :)
 
velcrometer

velcrometer

Junior Audioholic
My wife has a mild hearing loss, and has difficulty understanding TV/Movie dialog even with a pretty good center channel speaker. I got her a thing called "TV Ears" at Costco for about $80. It's a small wireless headset with a transmitter that plugs into your audio source. The wearer can adjust the volume to their preference. It made a night & day difference to her. :)
$80 vs. $3000 hmmmmm...that would have been an easy, inexpensive solution. But, now that I have this fabulous system, I think I'm glad I didn't know about "TV Ears" in the beginning! Maybe I'll buy some for my 88 year old Dad, he needs them too. Thanks for the tip, Geno.
 

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