Electric Vehicles?

[j_garcia]

At my township park-and-ride lot, there are two public charepoint ev charging stations (L2, I think). Yesterday, I saw an Amazon Rivian delivery van standing there, with the driver trying to figure out how to charge it. Given how "efficient" Amazon is with the delivery people and use of their time, I hope this poor guy won't end up spending his own time charging the company's van.

Guess it depends on the generation that Rivian van is. They are switching to NACS, but the early ones were CCS.

Geeze. My town is 1/5 the size of yours and we have a LOT more than 6. I don't even drive an EV, and I've got multiple options within a mile or two of my house.

Since the city I am moving to is the "home" of Tesla, there are Tesla chargers all over the place. They seem to have cut deals with a lot of retail complexes in Fremont. So there are around 30-40 chargers within a few miles of me.

 

[lovinthehd]

Made me wonder if we had any charging stations now, a few years ago we didn't have any per a visiting friend with an ev, nearest was about 45 miles away. I just looked it up and a local motel now has a station with two ports and a site that doesn't seem to have a particular name (so will have to go drive by it and see just what it is) apparently also has two ports. So I guess we're pretty ev friendly now

 

[j_garcia]

A friend lives in SF. He said there is a Shell station that has no gas pumps; it is all chargers now. First one here I guess. I was just in SF on Sun, but didn't go check it out.

 

[ryanosaur]

A friend lives in SF. He said there is a Shell station that has no gas pumps; it is all chargers now. First one here I guess. I was just in SF on Sun, but didn't go check it out.

Only in The City.

 

[Matt34]

Geeze. My town is 1/5 the size of yours and we have a LOT more than 6. I don't even drive an EV, and I've got multiple options within a mile or two of my house.

There are more options (Many more now that Hyundai has access to Tesla) but that's the only EA hub in town that we can get free charging from. Makes no sense to use anything else in town when I can charge at home at night for $0.07/Kwh.

 

[Happy Joe]

I serious;y considered getting an Ev, because my 26 year old, daily driver, vehicle is showing signs of imminent demise.
I only use vehicles, now, to get groceries , and a yearly trip to update the physician.
... I have been watching the (Ev) technology for a long time and as far as i can see they may be practical for relatively short trips in benign climates; however they could be less than optimal choices in relatively extreme climates (places that have extended periods of temperatures below freezing or above 100degreese F. Lithium battery technology does not like extreme temperatures.

... It was 21 degrees F. here this morning...

Accordingly I purchased a gasoline fueled vehicle (baby Bronco); I need four wheel drive to get up a small hill at the end of the street after the ice on it gets polished by tire spinners... (silly people).

I could really not care less about public charging stations as I would have plugged a charger into the electrical outlet, in the garage formerly used by the welder. (I was told in no uncertain terms that welding is Verboten; since I got a pacemaker)... Old age is chasing everyone and everything, apparently...

Enjoy!

 

[j_garcia]

Only in The City.

There is one big shopping / movie / food complex near by that appears to have cut a deal with Shell, as all the chargers on the property are Shell; about 15-20 of them sprinkled around the parking lots. Not the same as a dedicated charger "gas" station though.

 

[j_garcia]

Put a deposit on a spot to order a Rivian R2. It is 3" taller than the Ioniq, but other dimensions almost identical. Longer range, more power.

 

[jinjuku]

Starting to look for the wife.

The Nissan Ariya 2 year's used looks like a value pick without great compromises. Also looking at 24' Cadillac Lyriq.

 

[j_garcia]

Starting to look for the wife.

The Nissan Ariya 2 year's used looks like a value pick without great compromises. Also looking at 24' Cadillac Lyriq.

The Arya was discontinued this year, probably because it is too similar to the new Leaf, but it seems to be a top pick.

They're saying the best used deal is the Hyundai Ioniq 6 because they were not popular. Basically nobody is really buying sedans right now and the Ioniq 6 is also discontinued in the US this year. That made their value lower, so a used one has already taken that hit.

The Lyric seems pretty popular around here, but reports say they aren't 100% reliable. It does come with a 4 yr / 50K warranty new though. Nice inside and out.

We will find out this week how much the launch edition R2 will be, since it is supposed to be much cheaper than an R1S. The launch edition only comes dual motor and fully loaded it seems, so it probably won't hit that $45k mark, but as long as it isn't ~$60K+, we'll probably be going for it; or lease. The R1S single motor is $70K, so this one needs to be below that or it won't sell as well. I am guessing the R2 single motor, which won't come out until later, will be how they hit their $45K claim.

 

[jinjuku]

The Arya was discontinued this year, probably because it is too similar to the new Leaf, but it seems to be a top pick.

I think two issues plagued the Ariya: Too high msrp and it was manu'd and assembled in Japan and therefore intelligible for tax credits.

 

[Matt34]

Just don’t buy new. I was looking at our 24’ Ioniq value with just over 10k miles, $22k for a car that stickered over $50k. Our residual value is $38k.
Our neighbors have an Ariya, I like the looks of it. We’re looking at a CRV hybrid or a Tucson Hybrid next. If I can talk her into a car a Civic hybrid. Toyota tax in Colorado is too stupid to consider one now.

 

[BoredSysAdmin]

Long-term owners update on my 2024 KIA EV9 Land. It's a great car, and I love many things about it, and some things not so much.

Things I love:

• The ride quality
• The acceleration performance. (5.7s 0-60mph - not too shabby for 7200 lbs suv). An optional $900 boost could bring it down to 5.0 seconds flat (Same as GT-Line)
• Comfort and smart features (including heated and ventilated memory seats)
• Some of the AC/Climate controls and Volume have physical buttons
• Not smelly at rear
• Easy to charge at home
• Decent distance on a full charge (about 280 miles in summer, about half in winter)
• Cruise controls are decent at keeping lane, speed, distance, and even changing lanes (slowly)
• Good Speakers system (Meridian)
• I got a really good lease deal on it (Got it right before EV credits and the state's EV cars sales tax were eliminated)

Things I love less:

• In about 15 months of ownership, or about 12k miles, the EV charging management board gave up. This is apparently an extremely common issue with all EV9s and many other KIA/Hyundai EVs due to the use of cheap-grade electronic components in critical high-voltage circuits. This is very disappointing as I considered EVs as mostly mature and much simpler designs compared to ICE engines with fewer moving parts. I feel like KIA/Hyundai snatches a defeat from the jaws of victory here.
• Software quality isn't the best. Some of the early bugs were ironed out, but still some linger. Some features are absent or hidden for no obvious reason - For example, I have to do a special turn on the car, hold a button trick in order to replace the windshield wipes, instead of a simple menu function on the display menus. I said "no obvious reason," but is kinda obvious, to nudge people to use highly overpriced dealer parts to replace such a common wear part.

 

[j_garcia]

Just don’t buy new. I was looking at our 24’ Ioniq value with just over 10k miles, $22k for a car that stickered over $50k. Our residual value is $38k.
Our neighbors have an Ariya, I like the looks of it. We’re looking at a CRV hybrid or a Tucson Hybrid next. If I can talk her into a car a Civic hybrid. Toyota tax in Colorado is too stupid to consider one now.

The Ioniq is $10k off (lease or buy I think) or 0% financing right now. And even though the 26 cost less than the 25, that still puts it around $40K before tax. Hyundai has my residual higher than what KBB says it is. KBB has it around $24K, and they are saying closer to $27K. My mileage is only 13K so far, out of 24K possible.

If the delivery is too far out or the price is too high, I will skip the R2 and go for an Ioniq 5 XRT instead. They said "over" 300 mi, but did not state if that is for the dual motor, so there's some questions still. The XRT has the features from the Limited I am interested in, without the ones I don't want, most specifically the panoramic roof. Who needs an extra 200lbs that serves pretty much no purpose over their head in an EV where weight should be saved? I am really interested in the R2 though. They keep offering already for us to drive a R1S. R1S will just barely fit in my garage lol. One of my coworkers has a R1S. It's pretty nice.

Long-term owners update on my KIA EV9 Land. It's a great car, and I love many things about it and some things not so much.

Things I love:

• The ride quality
• Comfort and smart features (including heated and ventilated memory seats)
• Some of the AC/Climate controls and Volume have physical buttons
• Not smelly at rear
• Easy to charge at home
• Decent distance on a full charge (about 280 miles in summer, about half in winter)
• Cruise controls are decent at keeping lane, speed, distance, and even changing lanes (slowly)
• Good Speakers system (Meridian)
• I got a really good lease deal on it (Got it right before EV credits and the state's not EV sales tax were eliminated)

Things I love less:

• In about 15 months of ownership, or about 12k miles, the EV charging management board gave up. This is apparently an extremely common issue with all EV9s and many other KIA/Hyundai EVs due to the use of cheap-grade electronic components in critical high-voltage circuits. This is very disappointing as I considered EVs as mostly mature and much simpler designs compared to ICE engines with fewer moving parts. I feel like KIA/Hyundai snatches a defeat from the jaws of victory here.
• Software quality isn't the best. Some of the early bugs were ironed out, but still some linger. Some features are absent or hidden for no obvious reason - For example, I have to do a special turn on the car, hold a button trick in order to replace the windshield wipes, instead of a simple menu function on the display menus. I said "no obvious reason" but is kinda obvious, to nudge people to use highly overpriced dealer parts to replace such a common wear part.

LOL. Not sure if my 5 has that for the wipers, but they were not easy to replace. Cannot raise them with the hood open or closed; uh.... but I can carefully get them off without raising them. I'll have to check for that "feature" on mine.

My friend had that issue with his Kia EV9 too. Likely it was the ICCU. His died within weeks of buying it, before the recall, and they could not move it and it was stuck in a garage. Basically all of the Ioniq 5, 6, Genesis GV60, EV9, Ioniq 9 were affected. For whatever reason, they could not tell which were impacted, so they recalled them all. I took mine in, it was not affected, so they just did a tire rotation and gave it back after a software update and another fix for the 12V battery.

 

[Matt34]

Long-term owners update on my KIA EV9 Land. It's a great car, and I love many things about it and some things not so much.

Things I love:

• The ride quality
• Comfort and smart features (including heated and ventilated memory seats)
• Some of the AC/Climate controls and Volume have physical buttons
• Not smelly at rear
• Easy to charge at home
• Decent distance on a full charge (about 280 miles in summer, about half in winter)
• Cruise controls are decent at keeping lane, speed, distance, and even changing lanes (slowly)
• Good Speakers system (Meridian)
• I got a really good lease deal on it (Got it right before EV credits and the state's not EV sales tax were eliminated)

Things I love less:

• In about 15 months of ownership, or about 12k miles, the EV charging management board gave up. This is apparently an extremely common issue with all EV9s and many other KIA/Hyundai EVs due to the use of cheap-grade electronic components in critical high-voltage circuits. This is very disappointing as I considered EVs as mostly mature and much simpler designs compared to ICE engines with fewer moving parts. I feel like KIA/Hyundai snatches a defeat from the jaws of victory here.
• Software quality isn't the best. Some of the early bugs were ironed out, but still some linger. Some features are absent or hidden for no obvious reason - For example, I have to do a special turn on the car, hold a button trick in order to replace the windshield wipes, instead of a simple menu function on the display menus. I said "no obvious reason" but is kinda obvious, to nudge people to use highly overpriced dealer parts to replace such a common wear part.

Was it the ICCU? How long did it take them to replace it and did they try the software update first?

 

[BoredSysAdmin]

Was it the ICCU? How long did it take them to replace it and did they try the software update first?

They told me it was called the battery charging module, I think it was the OBC (On-Board Charger) module, which inself is part of ICCU.

Here are decent in-depth details on ICCU.
It took about 1 week to replace, and I don't think they tried a sw update first.

E-GMP ICCU Failure Deep Dive — What Owners Need to Know

The most thorough breakdown of the ICCU defect affecting Kia EV6, Hyundai Ioniq 5/6, and Genesis EVs. LDC and OBC failure modes, root cause analysis, recall status, and owner mitigation strategies.

egmpfiles.com

 

[BoredSysAdmin]

The Ioniq is $10k off (lease or buy I think) or 0% financing right now. And even though the 26 cost less than the 25, that still puts it around $40K before tax. Hyundai has my residual higher than what KBB says it is. KBB has it around $24K, and they are saying closer to $27K. My mileage is only 13K so far, out of 24K possible.

If the delivery is too far out or the price is too high, I will skip the R2 and go for an Ioniq 5 XRT instead. They said "over" 300 mi, but did not state if that is for the dual motor, so there's some questions still. The XRT has the features from the Limited I am interested in, without the ones I don't want, most specifically the panoramic roof. Who needs an extra 200lbs that serves pretty much no purpose over their head in an EV where weight should be saved? I am really interested in the R2 though. They keep offering already for us to drive a R1S. R1S will just barely fit in my garage lol. One of my coworkers has a R1S. It's pretty nice.



LOL. Not sure if my 5 has that for the wipers, but they were not easy to replace. Cannot raise them with the hood open or closed; uh.... but I can carefully get them off without raising them. I'll have to check for that "feature" on mine.

My friend had that issue with his Kia EV9 too. Likely it was the ICCU. His died within weeks of buying it, before the recall, and they could not move it and it was stuck in a garage. Basically all of the Ioniq 5, 6, Genesis GV60, EV9, Ioniq 9 were affected. For whatever reason, they could not tell which were impacted, so they recalled them all. I took mine in, it was not affected, so they just did a tire rotation and gave it back after a software update and another fix for the 12V battery.

This is what I am talking about specifically:

 

[j_garcia]

This is what I am talking about specifically:

I will go try it. Guessing that is the same issue / fix for mine. They drop below the hood on mine, so you can't lift them.

 

[jinjuku]

Christ, wife is looking at Subaru Outbacks that are 8-9 years old, 70-90K miles within $1500 of what an Ariya cost that is 3 years old with 10-15K miles.

Because they are 'blue'. And yes, I'm the one that pays for the cars in our relationship.

 

[BoredSysAdmin]

Christ, wife is looking at Subaru Outbacks that are 8-9 years old, 70-90K miles within $1500 of what an Ariya cost that is 3 years old with 10-15K miles.

Because they are 'blue'. And yes, I'm the one that pays for the cars in our relationship.

Subarus hold their value notoriously well and have a near cult-like following. Nissans, not so much.