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everettT

everettT

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No, the AVR is being used as the preamp/amp for the karaoke mixer. :D

The point is that there are many casual applications where using a high-end separate system isn’t quite necessary.

My Bryston 9B-cubed and ATI AT2005 amps aren’t being used for karaoke. :D
What's the mixer? Just curious
 
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No, the AVR is being used as the preamp/amp for the karaoke mixer. :D

The point is that there are many casual applications where using a high-end separate system isn’t quite necessary.

My Bryston 9B-cubed and ATI AT2005 amps aren’t being used for karaoke. :D
Room size, speaker efficiency, and desired volume would dictate whether one needs an AVR or separates. I know that for my dedicated room, separates would absolutely offer no sound quality improvement over the 3060. My room is small and my speakers are very efficient. The 3060 is loafing along.
 
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mono-bloc

mono-bloc

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Well I can understand using separates for your main system.
May-be I'm crazy, some have a different opinion on my state of health. But everything I use, is a mono-bloc system, Except for the theatre system which uses a five channel amp.. At one time i used to have / own or beg, borrow of steal different speakers, which required solid amplification Equinox being one brand with models going down to a 2 ohm load. Unfortunately Equinox are no longer in production.

I'm not into all these fancy sound systems with a speaker collection hanging of the ceiling. Personnel I think there a complete waste of time, and small amount of money people spend. Filling up all the connections on there AVR, and convincing themselves it''s all Utopia , and the best ever. With Helicopters flapping over the back of the lounge chair
Frankly a good brand of speakers, Magico etc, together with a good amplification leaves, your so-called theatre system for dead. And people react in horror when they learn I don't own a sub wooofer. Which in most cases are a marketing ploy, to flog stuff the gullible are buying something they don't need., but must have because everyone else has one.

My wife would sing karaoke in our bedroom
With due respect, I've never confronted that problem, Are you sure your not ready for the retirement home, where you can sit on the verandah, and dream of past glories ,
More tea Vicar.
But a small personal question, do you conduct while she's singing.
 
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@Monobloc.... You couldnt be more wrong about subwoofers and the value they add to a system's sound. Too much information about subwoofers out there is proving you wrong right out of the starters gate. Just sayin
 
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dlaloum

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Room size, speaker efficiency, and desired volume would dictate whether one needs an AVR or separates. I know that for my dedicated room, separates would absolutely offer no sound quality improvement over the 3060. My room is small and my speakers are very efficient. The 3060 is loafing along.
I have mine in a hybrid setup, the AVR could not cope with my tricky (1.6ohm minimum impedance) front speakers, but it handles the surrounds and heights just fine.
So I run external power amps and use the AVR as an AVP for the fronts, but as an AVR of the rest.

An AVR with pre-outs is in many such cases, essential - many of the budget AVR's don't provide pre-outs which then limits their use! (eg: Onkyo NR7100, no pre-outs, vs Integra DRX3.4 with full pre-outs... they are otherwise identical!)
 
everettT

everettT

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I have mine in a hybrid setup, the AVR could not cope with my tricky (1.6ohm minimum impedance) front speakers, but it handles the surrounds and heights just fine.
So I run external power amps and use the AVR as an AVP for the fronts, but as an AVR of the rest.

An AVR with pre-outs is in many such cases, essential - many of the budget AVR's don't provide pre-outs which then limits their use! (eg: Onkyo NR7100, no pre-outs, vs Integra DRX3.4 with full pre-outs... they are otherwise identical!)
I should have factored in impedance as well but having that low of an impedance is more uncommon than common.
 
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everettT

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I should have factored in impedance as well but having that low of an impedance is more uncommon than common.
I think you might be surprised at how many popular speakers have an impedance at 4ohms or below that occurs in the powerband and between 100 and 400hz. This, obviously, is irrelevant at lower volumes, but will cause issues at moderate volumes. Example being the new Adrenal 1528, the phase angle isn't horrible but the EPDR is pretty low
 

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I think you might be surprised at how many popular speakers have an impedance at 4ohms or below that occurs in the powerband and between 100 and 400hz. This, obviously, is irrelevant at lower volumes, but will cause issues at moderate volumes. Example being the new Adrenal 1528, the phase angle isn't horrible but the EPDR is pretty low
I think you misunderstand me. I quoted dlaloum whose speakers dip into 1.6 ohm range. That is more uncommon than common. All of my speakers dip into the 4 ohm range and that is all too common. I stand by what I said earlier.
 
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dolynick

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All my Yamaha AVRs, RX-A 1060, 2060, and 3060 are still running flawlessly
I have an RX-V800 (2003) on a shelf downstairs that was still going strong up until I replaced it a few years ago. The volume knob was getting a bit glitchy but may just require a little cleaning.

I believe there may still be an RX-V990 (1996) up at the family cabin too. Although I'm not sure if anyone has actually turned it on recently to verify it if is also still working all these years later.

The Yamaha's I've had experience with have all been solid and reliable for many, many years.
 
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everettT

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I think you misunderstand me. I quoted dlaloum whose speakers dip into 1.6 ohm range. That is more uncommon than common. All of my speakers dip into the 4 ohm range and that is all too common. I stand by what I said earlier.
I guess I did, you said the 4ohm dips are more uncommon than common. I replied it's common and the EPDR is even lower. Not sure where the disconnect is?
 
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I guess I did, you said the 4ohm dips are more uncommon than common. I replied it's common and the EPDR is even lower. Not sure where the disconnect is?
The disconnect was speed reading.. :)

I said "I should have factored in impedance as well but having that low of an impedance is more uncommon than common." I did not say anything about 4 ohms. I could have been clearer stating 1.6 ohms as mentioned by dlaloum. Its all good in the hood. :)
 
everettT

everettT

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The disconnect was speed reading.. :)

I said "I should have factored in impedance as well but having that low of an impedance is more uncommon than common." I did not say anything about 4 ohms. I could have been clearer stating 1.6 ohms as mentioned by dlaloum. Its all good in the hood. :)
I guess I should have factored in "that low", my bad.
 
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