Masimo/Sound United Dealer Portal now says “HARMAN”

[lovinthehd]

Yamaha is the largest Piano maker in the world and has been best seller in terms of revenue .

Probably more his eurocentric view

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

Probably more his eurocentric view

Haha. Yeah he’s always stating his opinions as “facts”.

 

[lovinthehd]

Haha. Yeah he’s always stating his opinions as “facts”.

The leftovers of imperial crap.

 

[lovinthehd]

Haha. Yeah he’s always stating his opinions as “facts”.

Imperialistic "facts" Not realizing that most british "audio engineers" rank so far below "bike mechanics"

 

[TLS Guy]

Yamaha is the largest Piano maker in the world and has been best seller in terms of revenue .

That is true, but whose pianos do you see in concert halls around the world? It is Steinway and not Yamaha, with some Fazoli.

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

True, but pianos are not electronics and Steinway has always "eaten their (Yamaha's) lunch."

That is true, but whose pianos do you see in concert halls around the world? It is Steinway and not Yamaha, with some Fazoli.

So "eaten their lunch" equals to which piano (or electronic components) are SEEN in concert halls (or rich people's houses)?

There are a lot more pianos in people's HOUSES around the world than concert halls.

You are not making any sense.

"Eaten their lunch" means that they are "Beaten"; in this context (we have been talking about business income/revenues and losses), it means that they beat them in SALES/revenues. So the Yamaha beats the Steinways in sales.

So if the Marantz AV10/AV20 are seen in more "concert halls" (or rich people's houses) than other AVPs, does that mean Masimo was successful and "ate everyone's lunch"?

Damn, man, I'm still hung over from that Atarax 50 mg last night, and I make more sense than you this AM.

 

[Alex2507]

You are not making any sense.

Red Lobster at least use to be the most popular seafood restaurant, probably meaning they were the biggest money maker. That doesn't mean they had the best seafood.

Now does it make sense?

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

Red Lobster at least use to be the most popular seafood restaurant, probably meaning they were the biggest money maker. That doesn't mean they had the best seafood.

Now does it make sense?

Let me think. I'm still hung over from last night.

30 minutes later: Okay, I've thought about (even though still hung over) - No, it does NOT mean they have the best or even GOOD seafood.

Now stop asking me questions - my brain still hurts. So Red Lobster ate their lunches and wiped the floors with their lobsters? Does that make sense?

 

[Verdinut]

That is true, but whose pianos do you see in concert halls around the world? It is Steinway and not Yamaha, with some Fazoli.

Yamaha now owns Bosendorfer, the oldest surviving piano brand. There's an interesting site for luxury piano brands:

Top 10 Best Piano Brands: Discover the Finest Piano Brands in the World

Unveiling the elite piano brands worldwide. Explore the top 10 best piano brands with exceptional craftsmanship, quality, and design.

luxury-pianos.com

 

[TLS Guy]

Yamaha now owns Bosendorfer, the oldest surviving piano brand. There's an interesting site for luxury piano brands:

Top 10 Best Piano Brands: Discover the Finest Piano Brands in the World

Unveiling the elite piano brands worldwide. Explore the top 10 best piano brands with exceptional craftsmanship, quality, and design.

luxury-pianos.com

Yes, that is interesting, but I very seldom see a Bosendorfer piano and certainly not Yamaha on concert platforms from around the world. I watch Medici TV and they stream concerts from all parts of the globe. The concerts grands are Steinways, but now occasionally Fazoli. Interestingly, this year a Fazioli piano was used for the International Chopin piano competition. I think the main reason, is that Steinway have a very good patented action mechanism, which is light of touch and reliable, and it is what concert pianists are used to and rehearse on.

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

Yes, that is interesting, but I very seldom see a Bosendorfer piano and certainly not Yamaha on concert platforms from around the world. I watch Medici TV and they stream concerts from all parts of the globe. The concerts grands are Steinways, but now occasionally Fazoli. Interestingly, this year a Fazioli piano was used for the International Chopin piano competition. I think the main reason, is that Steinway have a very good patented action mechanism, which is light of touch and reliable, and it is what concert pianists are used to and rehearse on.

So what’s your point?

Yamaha and Sony and most companies are going to stop making AVR?

And every company will start selling only powered speakers?

 

[TLS Guy]

So "eaten their lunch" equals to which piano (or electronic components) are SEEN in concert halls (or rich people's houses)?

There are a lot more pianos in people's HOUSES around the world than concert halls.

You are not making any sense.

"Eaten their lunch" means that they are "Beaten"; in this context (we have been talking about business income/revenues and losses), it means that they beat them in SALES/revenues. So the Yamaha beats the Steinways in sales.

So if the Marantz AV10/AV20 are seen in more "concert halls" (or rich people's houses) than other AVPs, does that mean Masimo was successful and "ate everyone's lunch"?

Damn, man, I'm still hung over from that Atarax 50 mg last night, and I make more sense than you this AM.

For sure, but it is the level of talent and craftsmanship I am referring to.

 

[TLS Guy]

So what’s your point?

Yamaha and Sony and most companies are going to stop making AVR?

And every company will start selling only powered speakers?

Yes, they will except there will be no AVR, just a TV and speakers. That has already started.

 

[NMG]

I think most people will continue being happy with the speakers in their TV or a sound bar.

Powered speakers are cool and definitely have some advantages, but I’m not sure they will completely replace conventional gear for the niche market that likes such things. People that are into audio are quirky and like this stuff. Small digital amps haven’t even replaced big ole boxes, even though they most certainly could from a performance standpoint.

I think there’s still allot of sentimental appreciation in this hobby for the “old” ways so to speak.

 

[William Lemmerhirt]

I think most people will continue being happy with the speakers in their TV or a sound bar.

My gawd I hope not…..

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

…Powered speakers are cool and definitely have some advantages, but I’m not sure they will completely replace conventional…

They are definitely NOT going to replace passive speakers. TLS Guy is just delusional.

 

[Alex2507]

They are definitely NOT going to replace passive speakers. TLS Guy is just delusional.

Like when you go to The Ponderosa Steak House and order sushi ...

Ain't no Hop Sing in the kitchen.

 

[TLS Guy]

They are definitely NOT going to replace passive speakers. TLS Guy is just delusional.

I am not and they will. Active speakers will be handy, give improved performance and reduce the overall cost of systems. You are an old cantankerous "stick in the mud" and resist change and progress. Those are not good attributes.

It won't be long before people will actually be incredulous that we sent amp outputs through these type of contraptions and wasted at least half of the amp power and frequently more.

 

[Tankini]

They are definitely NOT going to replace passive speakers. TLS Guy is just delusional.

Hey, Stick in the mud! I mean Andrew! Lol ya ole Stick in the mud! speaking of "Stick in the Mud. That's exactly what we used to call a platform in the Gulf. It's a single deck unmanned production platform usually one or two wells on it, gas or oil.

 

[PENG]

I don't recall any Yamaha AVPs prior to the CX-A5000.

Many of us were hoping they would continue releasing new AVPs or at the very least just continue making the CX-A5200. But they just completely stopped making it.

IMO it has to be related to Yamaha not making enough money on their AVP or even losing money like how Masimo was losing money.

Yamaha has the "depth" that most of their competitors in audio just don't have, so I bet they knew full well that in HT, AVRs are going to outsell AVPs by a significant ratio, and since they have been capable of making the so called jammed pack AVRs performing well and reliably for years, why would they bother investing in AVPs that they knew wouldn't be that profitable or profitable at all. If you studied their published service manuals (as I have done), you will see that the CX5000 series are virtually the RX-A3000 series AVR without the power amp section and balanced I/O circuitry. If you compared measurements done by Gene, one will also see that the chance of the CX-A5000 series will sound the same as the RX-A3000 series if the same external power amps are used. It is a huge myth that AVPs will sound superior just because they are "separate", even it that is true, and in some cases I don't doubt that could be true to a point, it would only because some AVRs just don't pay enough attention to the build in amps enough, e.g. Anthem, NAD and yes some Yamaha's too, based on bench measurements. And, talk about the huge myth I mentioned earlier, just watch one of Youthman's YT video:

Bing Videos

His videos are fun to watch, but this one is a great example of how one cannot take such YT video review seriously, to be fair, I just watch one of his more recent videos on similar topic/comparison, but has two or three co-hosts, and in that video he seemed to be accepting the possibility that his early claim of AVP inherently better than the AVR even when that AVR clearly has superior specs and measurements (based on Gene's review on the SR8015) might have been just %$+(@.........