Minneapolis Annunciation School Mass Shooting

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Really? While the genderwoo is thankfully entering Emperors New Clothes territory, you bet your ass it's been normalized.

The kids own mother was reluctant to affirm his trans identity, but did so under threats of being labeled a bigot or transphobe from literally everyone around her. This lunacy has indeed been normalized, to the detriment of a generation of kids whose comorbidities are ignored thanks to the rush to affirmation.

It's a grave mistake to affirm delusions. We don't have discussions with the imaginary friends of schizophrenics or tell anorexics that they're overweight and need ozempic and gastric banding. But if a kid claims a trans identity they are unquestioningly affirmed and told a victimhood narrative of being genocided. It's a pretty direct line from "Protect the Dolls" to "Arm the Dolls" to a doll shooting their percieved enemies as happened here (and elsewhere lately). This situation is the hard left analog to Timothy McVeigh. Get steeped in crazy, do crazy poop.

As they are deadly tools, we should keep guns out of the hands of crazy people.

I thought you meant it was normalized on a large scale, not by his mommy, and a lot of mommies think their little angels can do no wrong- this is either true in her case, or she was performing some kind of sick experiment. AFAIK, they still haven't found her and they need to, ASAP.

 

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I can only assume that you are referring to liberals in the American context. Pretty much everywhere else in the world, liberals hug the centre of the political/social spectrum - leaning left or right, or straddling the fence. Far from viewing issues in binary terms, they (I would describe myself as a fence straddler) are often accused of hypocrisy precisely because they see the world in infinite shades of grey.

That's not to say liberals don't believe in hard facts. It's just that hard facts and objective truth is - for the most part, at least - confined to the hard sciences. Ironically, this is where the script gets flipped by the avowed left- and right- wingers. They are the ones who tend to question objective truth and scientific facts, while forming hidebound opinions on political and social issues.


I'm sure you will agree that this highly unlikely in the foreseeable future.

An AV sales rep studied Political Science and at times, it seems that he can't be consistent in his views, but when he has debated 'things' with a friend of mine, friend usually disagrees and when AV rep doesn't seem to understand how anyone could see a different view, friend asks 'But what if everything you were taught is wrong?". AV rep has no comeback for that.

I would REALLY like to see more level-headed discussion about this- far too many go off the edge into yelling, name-calling and complete inability to even consider the other points being made. When it becomes "Yes it is" vs "No it isn't", progress is generally impossible.

The saying "The first step in solving a problem is in defining it" is true, but there's no agreement in the definition. Access is too easy, too many who aren't legally allowed are getting their hands on guns far too easily and that brings another group to blame- they're committing a crime just by lending or selling guns to felons and people with mental illness, but trying to get some people to change their ways is just yelling at a wall- it does nothing.

Felons who have already been convicted of violent crimes are getting guns and reoffending- why are so many being let go after time served and short incarceration? They don't see it as punishment but it's time to make them feel the pain, good and hard. It's an insult to the victims, it's killing people and politicians talk about having a plan, but the plans don't work. Chicago doesn't want help and they have said they have it handled, but 58 shot/8 dead last weekend doesn't show any proof of that.

 

[GO-NAD!]

An AV sales rep studied Political Science and at times, it seems that he can't be consistent in his views, but when he has debated 'things' with a friend of mine, friend usually disagrees and when AV rep doesn't seem to understand how anyone could see a different view, friend asks 'But what if everything you were taught is wrong?". AV rep has no comeback for that.

I would REALLY like to see more level-headed discussion about this- far too many go off the edge into yelling, name-calling and complete inability to even consider the other points being made. When it becomes "Yes it is" vs "No it isn't", progress is generally impossible.

The saying "The first step in solving a problem is in defining it" is true, but there's no agreement in the definition. Access is too easy, too many who aren't legally allowed are getting their hands on guns far too easily and that brings another group to blame- they're committing a crime just by lending or selling guns to felons and people with mental illness, but trying to get some people to change their ways is just yelling at a wall- it does nothing.

Felons who have already been convicted of violent crimes are getting guns and reoffending- why are so many being let go after time served and short incarceration? They don't see it as punishment but it's time to make them feel the pain, good and hard. It's an insult to the victims, it's killing people and politicians talk about having a plan, but the plans don't work. Chicago doesn't want help and they have said they have it handled, but 58 shot/8 dead last weekend doesn't show any proof of that.

" Access is too easy, too many who aren't legally allowed are getting their hands on guns far too easily", because there are just so many firearms available.

While Chicago may have a high rate of gun crime, it has been dropping.

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There are also cities with higher crime rates than Chicago, but the POTUS doesn't seem to be as concerned about those.

 

[ski2xblack]

I thought you meant it was normalized on a large scale, not by his mommy, and a lot of mommies think their little angels can do no wrong- this is either true in her case, or she was performing some kind of sick experiment.

Yes, normalized on a large scale. The experiment being conducted is society wide. The victims are children (and women, and the LGB, whose rights are predicated on the material reality of sex). The proximal victims are those murdered in cold blood at Annunciation Church.

It's a top-down imposition of a secularized gnostic gender/body dualism cult under a veneer of junk science and rights language.

The killer in this case was steeped in it (as well as other lunacy). His mother was coerced by it (apparently the father was the primary enabler while she was reluctant). The media is still walking on eggshells about "misgendering" this deranged killer. NPR reprimanded Amy Klobushar for referring to him as "him" rather than "her." Here's the lieutenant gov of MN for crying out loud:

Still think it's just the mommy? Pay attention.

 

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" Access is too easy, too many who aren't legally allowed are getting their hands on guns far too easily", because there are just so many firearms available.

While Chicago may have a high rate of gun crime, it has been dropping.

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There are also cities with higher crime rates than Chicago, but the POTUS doesn't seem to be as concerned about those.

Oh, good- a PBS link.

You sound like the effing Mayor of Chicago and Gov Pritstick with your "It's not as bad as it was"- MKE has seen reduced homicides too, but so far, this year has seen 79. While it's down from a few years ago, IT'S STILL TOO GD MANY!

Here's some info for ya- WRT "dropping", how can anyone say it's acceptable, in any way? Dropping from a ridiculous number to a slightly less ridiculous number when lives are concerned doesn't mean it's OK and coming from someone whose area probably sees more cows hit by cars & trucks than homicides, I think you're missing the message.

2024 homicide rankings: Chicago, St. Louis lead nation yet again – A Wirepoints survey of America’s 75 largest cities | Wirepoints

Chicago was once again the nation’s homicide capital in 2024 with 573 murders – the 13th year in a row that the Windy City has suffered more murders than anywhere else in the country. St. Louis was the nation’s other murder capital when based on homicides per capita, marking the third year in a...

wirepoints.org

Would people in your area consider any of this 'acceptable'? I sincerely hope not.

 

[GO-NAD!]

Oh, good- a PBS link.

You sound like the effing Mayor of Chicago and Gov Pritstick with your "It's not as bad as it was"- MKE has seen reduced homicides too, but so far, this year has seen 79. While it's down from a few years ago, IT'S STILL TOO GD MANY!

Here's some info for ya- WRT "dropping", how can anyone say it's acceptable, in any way? Dropping from a ridiculous number to a slightly less ridiculous number when lives are concerned doesn't mean it's OK and coming from someone whose area probably sees more cows hit by cars & trucks than homicides, I think you're missing the message.

2024 homicide rankings: Chicago, St. Louis lead nation yet again – A Wirepoints survey of America’s 75 largest cities | Wirepoints

Chicago was once again the nation’s homicide capital in 2024 with 573 murders – the 13th year in a row that the Windy City has suffered more murders than anywhere else in the country. St. Louis was the nation’s other murder capital when based on homicides per capita, marking the third year in a...

wirepoints.org

Would people in your area consider any of this 'acceptable'? I sincerely hope not.

Did I say the numbers were OK? No, I did not. How did you jump to that conclusion? Of course there are too many homicides! But, if there is any justification for sending in the NG to patrol a city because of its high crime rates, there are several that should be prioritized over Chicago.

Which cities have the highest murder rates? | USAFacts

Memphis, St. Louis, Baltimore, Washington, DC, and Birmingham have the highest murder rates of all major US cities.

usafacts.org

If you want to respond to a post that refers to the rate of incidents with a post referring to numbers of incidents, that's up to you. But, be clear that you're talking about apples and not oranges.

 

[Dude#1279435]

TLS Guy clearly put his position on gun ownership up front and center. To come in and splash the thread with 'thoughts and prayers' snark is counter productive.

I agree with his position on the matter.

Yes I agree TLS is up front, but I wasn't referring to him.

 

[Dude#1279435]

Yes, normalized on a large scale. The experiment being conducted is society wide. The victims are children (and women, and the LGB, whose rights are predicated on the material reality of sex). The proximal victims are those murdered in cold blood at Annunciation Church.

It's a top-down imposition of a secularized gnostic gender/body dualism cult under a veneer of junk science and rights language.

The killer in this case was steeped in it (as well as other lunacy). His mother was coerced by it (apparently the father was the primary enabler while she was reluctant). The media is still walking on eggshells about "misgendering" this deranged killer. NPR reprimanded Amy Klobushar for referring to him as "him" rather than "her." Here's the lieutenant gov of MN for crying out loud:
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Still think it's just the mommy? Pay attention.

1 example with a picture doesn't mean it's a national problem.

 

[Dude#1279435]

Trump suggests National Guard could go into New Orleans, a blue city in a red state

President Trump suggests New Orleans could be his next target for deploying the National Guard to fight crime.

apnews.com

 

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1 example with a picture doesn't mean it's a national problem.

It is a national problem! Look at the data.

 

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Did I say the numbers were OK? No, I did not. How did you jump to that conclusion? Of course there are too many homicides! But, if there is any justification for sending in the NG to patrol a city because of its high crime rates, there are several that should be prioritized over Chicago.

Which cities have the highest murder rates? | USAFacts

Memphis, St. Louis, Baltimore, Washington, DC, and Birmingham have the highest murder rates of all major US cities.

usafacts.org

If you want to respond to a post that refers to the rate of incidents with a post referring to numbers of incidents, that's up to you. But, be clear that you're talking about apples and not oranges.

Check the list with homicides/100K- Chicago isn't even on it and they had more than ANY city shown.

Rate of incidence doesn't show the presence of the incidents in the specific areas where they occur. Of course, homicide isn't equally distributed over the Chicago area- as it is in MKE, it occurs more frequently in some areas but it's spreading. MKE population is 20% of Chicago's, yet homicide rate is higher than Chicago (slightly).

The need for help isn't based on rates/100K, it's the number of people causing problems in an area- Chicago is much larger than many other cities, so it's harder to handle ALL crimes, which is partially shown in the size of the Police departments and number of officers or lack of, as shown in Milwaukee.

Stats and polls can show what someone wants. Look at maps for the cities, to see where specific crimes occur and the frequency. Other factors are involved, though such as 'Who is being targeted?', 'Do the victims and perpetrators know each other?', 'Do the crimes cross racial lines?', 'Which crimes are targeted vs random?', etc.

Many people in the MKE area avoid specific areas at night because of the rate of incidence vs time of day. It's not worth the risk, anymore- used to be that crime was more frequent in a much smaller area, but now, it has spread outside of the city, into the surrounding areas.

 

[ski2xblack]

1 example with a picture doesn't mean it's a national problem.

Ok, let's just pretend that this is not a nationwide problem. Let's just pretend the trans identifying killer of those innocent children wasn't radicalized by an ideology that told him he was both a sacred victim and righteous avenger, as shown in his own journal and video. Let's just pretend he didn't experience indoctrination into that ideology in school, from his parents, from the both mainstream and social media, and that it isn't supported by his government. Let's act surprised when the victims of this pernicious ideology eventually lash out. Let's ignore that this has happened before, or that it's likely to happen again. Instead, let's capitalize on this tragedy to curtail the rights of others.

"Her motivation is a complete mystery." -NPR

 

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[ski2xblack]

@its phillip What those stats fail to acknowledge is the demonstrable reality that the ideology of gender identitarianism is not neutral. It is producing broken, permanently adolescent bodies and minds, some of whom-and far more than chance would predict-are turning violent. That's what occurred at Annunciation Church, just check out the murder's own video. He specifically targeted Catholic kids because they were "anti-trans future Nazis." The ideology he was steeped in is sick af, as are head-in-the-sand apologetics for it. It belongs in the ash heap of history.

 

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Check the list with homicides/100K- Chicago isn't even on it and they had more than ANY city shown.

Rate of incidence doesn't show the presence of the incidents in the specific areas where they occur. Of course, homicide isn't equally distributed over the Chicago area- as it is in MKE, it occurs more frequently in some areas but it's spreading. MKE population is 20% of Chicago's, yet homicide rate is higher than Chicago (slightly).

The need for help isn't based on rates/100K, it's the number of people causing problems in an area- Chicago is much larger than many other cities, so it's harder to handle ALL crimes, which is partially shown in the size of the Police departments and number of officers or lack of, as shown in Milwaukee.

Stats and polls can show what someone wants. Look at maps for the cities, to see where specific crimes occur and the frequency. Other factors are involved, though such as 'Who is being targeted?', 'Do the victims and perpetrators know each other?', 'Do the crimes cross racial lines?', 'Which crimes are targeted vs random?', etc.

Many people in the MKE area avoid specific areas at night because of the rate of incidence vs time of day. It's not worth the risk, anymore- used to be that crime was more frequent in a much smaller area, but now, it has spread outside of the city, into the surrounding areas.

My reference to Chicago was not to downplay crime - especially homocide - in that city. If we saw that level of crime in my area, we'd wonder if the apocalypse was upon us. What I'm saying - AGAIN - is that Trump's insistence on sending troops there has nothing to do with crime.

Chicago sees its fewest summer murders since 1965

The Chicago Police Department’s criminal homicide tally for June, July and August is the lowest in 60 years. And overall violent crime remains near its lowest point in more than four decades.

www.wbez.org

 

[GO-NAD!]

Ok, let's just pretend that this is not a nationwide problem. Let's just pretend the trans identifying killer of those innocent children wasn't radicalized by an ideology that told him he was both a sacred victim and righteous avenger, as shown in his own journal and video. Let's just pretend he didn't experience indoctrination into that ideology in school, from his parents, from the both mainstream and social media, and that it isn't supported by his government. Let's act surprised when the victims of this pernicious ideology eventually lash out. Let's ignore that this has happened before, or that it's likely to happen again. Instead, let's capitalize on this tragedy to curtail the rights of others.

"Her motivation is a complete mystery." -NPR

It's an ideology? Are there trans political parties now?

The threat of ideologically-based violence is far, far greater from the far right, incel/manosphere types and religious radicals than we will ever see from Trans people. In fact, the LGBT community is at orders of magnitude greater risk of being victimized than being perpetrators of violence.

This person was clearly insane, but I'm not ready to panic the next time I walk by a person with an Adam's apple who is also wearing a dress and makeup.

 

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Not for the cherry pickers.

 

[ski2xblack]

It's an ideology? Are there trans political parties now?

Um, yeah! It's the Democraric Party in the US. They want to impose GI as the official state religion, like they have in Minnesota where this unthinkable tragedy took place. And if you'll recall, their adherence to it was exploited in the election; the so called "Blue Wall" swing states were blitzed by "Kamala is for they/them" ads and were subsequently swept, sealing their loss. (To a tyrant clown in orange makeup ffs. Really? Unfknbelievable.) Trans is an ideology, and an electoral loser of one.

The threat of ideologically-based violence is far, far greater from the far right, incel/manosphere types and religious radicals than we will ever see from Trans people. In fact, the LGBT community is at orders of magnitude greater risk of being victimized than being perpetrators of violence.

That thing that never happens happened again at Annunciation Church. [Move goalpost...] oh, it rarely happens, compared to rightwing dudebro douchebag incels, so no big deal, right?

Look, I don't want someone who is all coked up on right wing conspiracies, or bent on bringing about Judgment Day to meet Jesus, to be armed any more than I want a nihilistic loser baby who believes he's literally the opposite sex to be armed. That's just too delusional to have guns.

I'm not ready to panic the next time I walk by a person with an Adam's apple who is also wearing a dress and makeup

Great. I support freedom of expression as well. Everyone should be able to live free from persecution.

In a liberal society, with freedom of speech and expression, we also have this thing called the 'marketplace of ideas', and GI doesn't stand up to the slightest scrutiny in there. Gender identitarianism is a quasi religious, unfalsifiable metaphysical belief system; secularized gnostic gender/body dualism, that reeks of late stage capitalism luxury belief. It demands denial of reality, sex in particular, and posits "gender identies" that are real. It's It's unmoored from empirical reality. "Magical thinking" in clinical terms.

Denial of reality is not a solid epistemic hook to hang your intellectual hat from. Adoption of a trans identity did not make the killer more resiliant, more healthy, or less antisocial. It made him weaker, broken, vulnerable to and more prone to violently losing his marbles. His journal entries are haunting. He shows why we don't affirm delusions. He used his as justification to commit unspeakable horror.

 

[Dude#1279435]

Not for the cherry pickers.

Will be deported soon due to showing inconvenient truths.

 

[Dude#1279435]

Great. I support freedom of expression as well. Everyone should be able to live free from persecution.

I doubt it if a trans shirt bothers you. Plus I think this boils down to if the hetero majority see it, in the least, than it must be a problem. I imagine trans is around .00391% of the population LOL.

It begs if you're not persecuting than why has this become such a big issue over "1" trans murderer?