AV10

[AcuDefTechGuy]

I know a lack of bass has been a pretty common complaint with AV10 owners…

It’s been an issue forever with most Room EQ because they aim to make the frequency response linear and FLAT, including the BASS.

Back when I owned the Denon AVP-A1HDCI, after I applied Audyssey, I manually increased all the speaker trims by +5.0 and turned on Audyssey Dynamic EQ Bypass L/R with Offset Zero.

This EQ’ed the bass to boost it. The reason for increasing the trims is to increase the magnitude of the bass boost. That was my QUICK way of getting impactful bass because I was too lazy to learn and spend hours and days on learning about Room EQ and all that.

 

[Trell]

It’s been an issue forever with most Room EQ because they aim to make the frequency response linear and FLAT, including the BASS.

Back when I owned the Denon AVP-A1HDCI, after I applied Audyssey, I manually increased all the speaker trims by +5.0 and turned on Audyssey Dynamic EQ Bypass L/R with Offset Zero.

This EQ’ed the bass to boost it. The reason for increasing the trims is to increase the magnitude of the bass boost. That was my QUICK way of getting impactful bass because I was too lazy to learn and spend hours and days on learning about Room EQ and all that.

For FR flatness it depends on the room EQ used and what options they have. The default for Audyssey is a downwards sloping FR response (at least for non-bass), but some people wasn’t more bass (me too).

My Genelec SAM monitors using GLM, though, goes for flat. Also changeable afterwards with a tone curve. Personally I use Dynamic Loudness that my RME ADI-2 DAC FS has along with tone controls when needed.

 

[Jack N]

Trebdp83 – 1) I’ve tried all the crossover settings from 40 to 100. It didn’t have any impact on the deep bass. 2) For placement they’re located along walls but they’re not all the way in the corners. They’re maybe 2ft away. There’s wall insulation and/or acoustic treatments nearby so there’s probably a little bit of corner loading going on, but not much. 3) I’ve tried both directional bass and standard. At present I’m using directional.

William Lemmerhirt – Being able to develop a new curve would be great! That follows right along the lines I was thinking of. Seems the most logical. Are you talking about that $20 thing from Marantz? Or are you talking about MultEQ-X?

Danzilla31 – Because of the layout of the theater, moving the subs is not an option, as much as I would like it to be. I’m stuck with them where they are. I thought of a null too, but I don’t think I’ve ever heard of one that big. I guess I shouldn’t rule it out though. I’ll have to get REW going and see what I can find.

AcuDefTechGuy – That’s an interesting approach! Original thinking. I like it. Gotta think about that for a minute.

 

[TLS Guy]

Trebdp83 – 1) I’ve tried all the crossover settings from 40 to 100. It didn’t have any impact on the deep bass. 2) For placement they’re located along walls but they’re not all the way in the corners. They’re maybe 2ft away. There’s wall insulation and/or acoustic treatments nearby so there’s probably a little bit of corner loading going on, but not much. 3) I’ve tried both directional bass and standard. At present I’m using directional.

William Lemmerhirt – Being able to develop a new curve would be great! That follows right along the lines I was thinking of. Seems the most logical. Are you talking about that $20 thing from Marantz? Or are you talking about MultEQ-X?

Danzilla31 – Because of the layout of the theater, moving the subs is not an option, as much as I would like it to be. I’m stuck with them where they are. I thought of a null too, but I don’t think I’ve ever heard of one that big. I guess I shouldn’t rule it out though. I’ll have to get REW going and see what I can find.

AcuDefTechGuy – That’s an interesting approach! Original thinking. I like it. Gotta think about that for a minute.

Have you tired the rig with Audyssey off? I have three systems and Audyssey ruins all three systems. I have absolutely nothing good to say about it. I think actually all those so called room corrections are based on faulty science. Few rooms are really bad, and you can tell that because when you talk to someone in the room they sound fine. The issue I am certain is speakers having a poor off and on axis correlation. Good speakers are still actually quite rare. I am certain that of you have a fairly decent room, and that is most and good gear, you have absolutely no need of room correction. Frankly I resent having to pay for it. I think room correction should be an optional extra on AVRs and AVPs. I personally resent having to pay for this nonsense.

 

[Danzilla31]

I agree on trying to run a manual setup without any room correction and seeing if that improves your bass response. At the least it's one more variable you can eliminate from what is causing this

Also getting out REW and seeing what is going on could be a good idea since a lot of the usual tips and tricks we use that you have tried aren't working