Trump GUILTY of Fraud

mtrycrafts

mtrycrafts

Seriously, I have no life.
No. There would have to be a conviction, they won’t hear a charge
You mean you cannot appeal an appeals court decision?
A Georgia Court of Appeals on Thursday disqualified Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis from prosecuting the case against President-elect Donald Trump and his alleged co-conspirators over charges of 2020 election subversion.

How did the appeals court got involved in the first place?
 
mtrycrafts

mtrycrafts

Seriously, I have no life.
No matter how you slice it, the DA demonstrated a shocking lack of judgement in this case.

>>>A Georgia Court of Appeals on Thursday disqualified Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis from prosecuting the case against President-elect Donald Trump and his alleged co-conspirators over charges of 2020 election subversion.

The long-awaited decision, in a state criminal case against Trump that was already on hold, raises questions about whether the case can move forward in court. The appeals court found that Willis’ office can’t prosecute the case, so a new special prosecutor would need to be appointed for the case to continue. . . . Trump and some of his co-defendants have been trying to get Willis disqualified from the case because of a romantic relationship she had with Nathan Wade, the special prosecutor she hired to help handle the case. <<<

Can this be appealed to next level of court?
 
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Dude#1279435

Audioholic Spartan
Yes. We can’t shield politicians from investigation and obtaining data in those investigations, they aren’t above the law.
When it benefits you anyway. I suspect Don Jr believes in the law to a point. As I've said before: open investigations up to everyone regardless of partisan, or shut the truck up!


>>>“So the house is going to vote to protect itself from glaring and obvious wrongdoing? The American people didn’t vote for this. They voted for the opposite. They voted for transparency. This cannot pass,” Donald Trump Jr. said on the social platform X.

He shared a post from conservative media personality Benny Johnson, who highlighted a provision in the CR that he said would let Congress block subpoenas for House data, such as emails, that he said could prevent an investigation into the now-defunct House committee that investigated the Capitol attack on Jan. 6, 2021.<<<
 
T

TankTop5

Audioholic Field Marshall
When it benefits you anyway. I suspect Don Jr believes in the law to a point. As I've said before: open investigations up to everyone regardless of partisan, or shut the truck up!


>>>“So the house is going to vote to protect itself from glaring and obvious wrongdoing? The American people didn’t vote for this. They voted for the opposite. They voted for transparency. This cannot pass,” Donald Trump Jr. said on the social platform X.

He shared a post from conservative media personality Benny Johnson, who highlighted a provision in the CR that he said would let Congress block subpoenas for House data, such as emails, that he said could prevent an investigation into the now-defunct House committee that investigated the Capitol attack on Jan. 6, 2021.<<<
The problem is it would protect them forever from everything. A little too far
 
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Mr._Clark

Audioholic Samurai
When it benefits you anyway. I suspect Don Jr believes in the law to a point. As I've said before: open investigations up to everyone regardless of partisan, or shut the truck up!


>>>“So the house is going to vote to protect itself from glaring and obvious wrongdoing? The American people didn’t vote for this. They voted for the opposite. They voted for transparency. This cannot pass,” Donald Trump Jr. said on the social platform X.

He shared a post from conservative media personality Benny Johnson, who highlighted a provision in the CR that he said would let Congress block subpoenas for House data, such as emails, that he said could prevent an investigation into the now-defunct House committee that investigated the Capitol attack on Jan. 6, 2021.<<<
Take the following with a grain of salt because I have not studied this in detail.

I don't think it's as draconian as it's being presented (that's not to say it's a good idea, of course).

It appears to me it is intended to prevent an "end run" on legislative immunity by getting a court order requiring a service provider to disclose data that would otherwise be subject to an assertion of legislative immunity. The definitions for this section start at page 236 of the following .pdf

https://legiscan.com/US/text/HB10445/2023

Here's the text of the CR in question:

>>>(d) MOTIONS TO QUASH OR MODIFY .—Upon a motion made promptly by a House office or provider for a
House office, a court of competent jurisdiction shall quash or modify any legal process directed to the provider for
a House office
if compliance with the legal process would require the disclosure of House data of the House office.<<< (emphasis added)

It does not say anything about a legal process directed to the House office itself.

Huge difference.

From the definitions:

>>>the term ‘‘provider for a House office’’ means a provider of electronic communication service or remote computing service directly commissioned or used by a House office to provide such services<<<

Also, from the section following the definitions:

>>>A House office shall be deemed to retain possession of any House data of the House office,
without regard to the use by the House office of any individual or entity described in paragraph
(2) for the purposes of any function or service described in paragraph (2)<<<

In other words, if someone wants to get the data by way of a legal action, they have to get it from the House office, not a provider of services to the House office.

As I read it, it's similar to a law saying that an internet service provider can't disclose your private emails in a lawsuit unless the service provider has your permission.

The bill DOES NOT say that the House office has unlimited privilege permitting refusal to disclose data in all circumstances. It also does NOT provide substantive immunity.

Granted, there is a split in the Circuit Courts concerning privilege:

>>>The D.C. Circuit has established the documentary nondisclosure privilege.209 In a series of
opinions, the circuit court determined that the Clause bars any compelled disclosure—not just the
evidentiary use—of written materials that fall “within the sphere of legitimate legislative
activity.”210 According to the D.C. Circuit, this privilege is broad and “absolute,” and applies with
equal “vigor” as the other aspects of the Clause.

The U.S. Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit (Ninth Circuit) and the Third Circuit have
rejected this documentary nondisclosure privilege, considering it an undue expansion of the
Clause. Instead, these courts have held, at least in criminal cases, that the Clause prohibits only
the evidentiary use of privileged documents, not their mere disclosure to the government for
review as part of an investigation. The disagreement has not been addressed by the Supreme
Court.<<<


Presumably, someone wanting access to House data would file in the 9th or 3rd circuit if possible, but they may not have jurisdiction in some cases. And, of course, circuit splits often lead to Supreme Court decisions to resolve the split, so the law is far from settled.

Again, take my initial impressions above with a large grain of salt. This is well outside of my area of practice, and I'd be interested in an evaluation by someone with more experience in this area of law. My take on this may be completely off wack.
 
D

Dude#1279435

Audioholic Spartan
Take the following with a grain of salt because I have not studied this in detail.

I don't think it's as draconian as it's being presented (that's not to say it's a good idea, of course).

It appears to me it is intended to prevent an "end run" on legislative immunity by getting a court order requiring a service provider to disclose data that would otherwise be subject to an assertion of legislative immunity. The definitions for this section start at page 236 of the following .pdf

https://legiscan.com/US/text/HB10445/2023

Here's the text of the CR in question:

>>>(d) MOTIONS TO QUASH OR MODIFY .—Upon a motion made promptly by a House office or provider for a
House office, a court of competent jurisdiction shall quash or modify any legal process directed to the provider for
a House office
if compliance with the legal process would require the disclosure of House data of the House office.<<< (emphasis added)

It does not say anything about a legal process directed to the House office itself.

Huge difference.

From the definitions:

>>>the term ‘‘provider for a House office’’ means a provider of electronic communication service or remote computing service directly commissioned or used by a House office to provide such services<<<

Also, from the section following the definitions:

>>>A House office shall be deemed to retain possession of any House data of the House office,
without regard to the use by the House office of any individual or entity described in paragraph
(2) for the purposes of any function or service described in paragraph (2)<<<

In other words, if someone wants to get the data by way of a legal action, they have to get it from the House office, not a provider of services to the House office.

As I read it, it's similar to a law saying that an internet service provider can't disclose your private emails in a lawsuit unless the service provider has your permission.

The bill DOES NOT say that the House office has unlimited privilege permitting refusal to disclose data in all circumstances. It also does NOT provide substantive immunity.

Granted, there is a split in the Circuit Courts concerning privilege:

>>>The D.C. Circuit has established the documentary nondisclosure privilege.209 In a series of
opinions, the circuit court determined that the Clause bars any compelled disclosure—not just the
evidentiary use—of written materials that fall “within the sphere of legitimate legislative
activity.”210 According to the D.C. Circuit, this privilege is broad and “absolute,” and applies with
equal “vigor” as the other aspects of the Clause.

The U.S. Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit (Ninth Circuit) and the Third Circuit have
rejected this documentary nondisclosure privilege, considering it an undue expansion of the
Clause. Instead, these courts have held, at least in criminal cases, that the Clause prohibits only
the evidentiary use of privileged documents, not their mere disclosure to the government for
review as part of an investigation. The disagreement has not been addressed by the Supreme
Court.<<<


Presumably, someone wanting access to House data would file in the 9th or 3rd circuit if possible, but they may not have jurisdiction in some cases. And, of course, circuit splits often lead to Supreme Court decisions to resolve the split, so the law is far from settled.

Again, take my initial impressions above with a large grain of salt. This is well outside of my area of practice, and I'd be interested in an evaluation by someone with more experience in this area of law. My take on this may be completely off wack.
I was just saying it's unlikely Don Jr. isn't doing this for purely the law but to change the narrative on J6.
 
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